Levo Gen 3 Specialized Gen 3 2022 Levo Megathread!

[beutelfuchs]

Had anyone the problem that the battery connection doesn't work realiably?
I now often need to remove the connector and press it in again with a lot of force to assure that the battery gets detected at motor start.
Maybe any advice on what to look for in terms of maintenance?

 

[Christox]

Hi !

Had the same problems. Also 1sec cut-offs during riding.

Same problems as with gen1/2 cables.

Could solve the problems good with flushing all contacts with Contact spray, but finally got a new motorcable after claiming this.
Best regards,

Chris

 

[Chicane]

You can upgrade to the 54t

It's not the same hub as the 240/350, so it's not quite as simple as popping is a 36/54T ratchet. You need to buy a retrofit/upgrade kit.

DT Swiss Ratchet LN Freehub Body Upgrade Kit - SRAM XDR, Standard, Aluminum, Sealed Bearing, 18T

Ratchet LN Freehub Body Upgrade Kit - The Ratchet LN freehub body upgrade kit makes it possible to convert DT Swiss 3-Pawl hubs to the beloved Ratchet System. With just a few simple steps, it is possible to incorporate the benefits of Ratchet Systems, such as the outstanding reliability and...

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[Stoneilove]

It's not the same hub as the 240/350, so it's not quite as simple as popping is a 36/54T ratchet. You need to buy a retrofit/upgrade kit.

DT Swiss Ratchet LN Freehub Body Upgrade Kit - SRAM XDR, Standard, Aluminum, Sealed Bearing, 18T

Ratchet LN Freehub Body Upgrade Kit - The Ratchet LN freehub body upgrade kit makes it possible to convert DT Swiss 3-Pawl hubs to the beloved Ratchet System. With just a few simple steps, it is possible to incorporate the benefits of Ratchet Systems, such as the outstanding reliability and...

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I never said it was simple, I said it was possible.

 

[maramouse]

Hello everyone, a friend, with expert carbon 2022, like mine, cracked the carbon swingarm on the top left side, he immediately took the bike to the shop, where they disassembled the swingarm and sent it to Specialized Italia, where they subjected to an x-ray type machine, to check if the carbon was cracked or just the layer of paint and in the end it was the carbon and they didn't pass it as a guarantee but as a crash replacement for 350 eu and they mounted a black painted swingarm available as a spare parti.

 

[Chicane]

Hello everyone, a friend, with expert carbon 2022, like mine, cracked the carbon swingarm on the top left side, he immediately took the bike to the shop, where they disassembled the swingarm and sent it to Specialized Italia, where they subjected to an x-ray type machine, to check if the carbon was cracked or just the layer of paint and in the end it was the carbon and they didn't pass it as a guarantee but as a crash replacement for 350 eu and they mounted a black painted swingarm available as a spare parti.

That’s disappointing x2 and POOR customer service!

 

[BruceJR]

It's not the same hub as the 240/350, so it's not quite as simple as popping is a 36/54T ratchet. You need to buy a retrofit/upgrade kit.

DT Swiss Ratchet LN Freehub Body Upgrade Kit - SRAM XDR, Standard, Aluminum, Sealed Bearing, 18T

Ratchet LN Freehub Body Upgrade Kit - The Ratchet LN freehub body upgrade kit makes it possible to convert DT Swiss 3-Pawl hubs to the beloved Ratchet System. With just a few simple steps, it is possible to incorporate the benefits of Ratchet Systems, such as the outstanding reliability and...

www.worldwidecyclery.com

Looks like you guys are correct about being able to upgrade to the 54T. Thanks for correcting my mistake.

However, my Expert came with the Ratchet-LN internals so I do not think the above kit would be required. Just the 54T ratchets. That said, I have had terrible luck with the spokes on my rear and do not plan to dump any money into upgrading them.
54T Upgrade kit:

 

[BruceJR]

I’m still on the fence about picking the new AXS stuff up. According to SRAM I’ll need 2 chains in different lengths since I swap the high/low position depending on terrain. The tech I spoke with also said I’d have to go back through the set up anytime I changed the head angle. It’s not a deal breaker if you never change any of that stuff but I do a good bit.

I love the current GX AXS combined with an Shimano XT Cassette, HG+ Chainring, and HG+ chain. You can absolutely shift smoothly under load and now that the AXS GX kits are on sale it seems like a good way to go.

After watching a couple videos about the new stuff by Peak Torque I'm a bit skeptical. Certainly would like to see some more long field reports before I'd consider jumping from the Sram/Shimano hybrid setup. Upgrading from a mechanical system to AXS then maybe it would be worth considering.

 

[Chicane]

Looks like you guys are correct about being able to upgrade to the 54T. Thanks for correcting my mistake.

However, my Expert came with the Ratchet-LN internals so I do not think the above kit would be required. Just the 54T ratchets. That said, I have had terrible luck with the spokes on my rear and do not plan to dump any money into upgrading them.
54T Upgrade kit:

I also have an Expert and if that were the case, I would have already installed the 54T ratchets that are sitting in my other bikes wheel set and not being used.

 

[timo_]

Bike Porn! The new season can start

 

[downduro]

Hi, thinking about swapping the shock to Float X2. Does anyone know if it comes stock with RX Trail tune on Levo? And if it does, will the regular X2 feel worse than RX Trail-tuned one?

 

[Hurre]

Hello everyone, a friend, with expert carbon 2022, like mine, cracked the carbon swingarm on the top left side, he immediately took the bike to the shop, where they disassembled the swingarm and sent it to Specialized Italia, where they subjected to an x-ray type machine, to check if the carbon was cracked or just the layer of paint and in the end it was the carbon and they didn't pass it as a guarantee but as a crash replacement for 350 eu and they mounted a black painted swingarm available as a spare parti.

I was told in a shop in Norway that all parts about guarantee would be black, so if you buy a bike you should think if that will be a nice replacement or not to your bike. Pick you bike color carefully...

 

[Hurre]

Do anyone knows if s-works frame are lighter than other carbon frames?
I bought the cheapest komplet bike, dark silver(2023mod), and are going to changes almost everything.
The seller is a nice guy, so i think i can change it, its almost the same price.
He gave me a very nice price on this bike, 700 battery, and old mcu, so i have to put some money in
for the s-work frame, but i do it if it is some weight different. This is the S2. I want to get as lightweight as possible.
But not at ALL COST!

 

[SL76]

Put the Kashima goodies on it.

200mm transfer dropper on an S4.

That's as far as it'll go but needed a slight twist at the end and it dropped another 20mm or so. Pretty sure it operates correctly. Will see how I get on with it when I next ride it.

Why does my X2 knock as it breaks away? My performance and factory X2s do this. Pretty sure there's no play in the mounting hardware. Makes a slight bump/knock as it breaks away wherever it is in the travel.

Edit to add. After a ride the X2 doesn't make any odd noises

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Hi @mike172 ...got an S4 too...it z easy to swap the dropper post?(do we need to drop the battery?)...i also buy a 210 mm One-up,usually my saddle high it z around 75/76 cm from the B.b...
Should everythings work fine?...i m little bit worries!!!Thank s in advance for your attenzione.Cheers

 

[Squamish Sucks]

Do anyone knows if s-works frame are lighter than other carbon frames?
I bought the cheapest komplet bike, dark silver(2023mod), and are going to changes almost everything.
The seller is a nice guy, so i think i can change it, its almost the same price.
He gave me a very nice price on this bike, 700 battery, and old mcu, so i have to put some money in
for the s-work frame, but i do it if it is some weight different. This is the S2. I want to get as lightweight as possible.
But not at ALL COST!

Gen 3 carbon frames are all the same, gen 2 had different versions, fact 9 and 11 I think they were, with different weights.

 

[Christox]

And the carbon frames are insane light, here my cracked parts after disassembly

 

[BikingBad]

I also have an Expert and if that were the case, I would have already installed the 54T ratchets that are sitting in my other bikes wheel set and not being used.

Just took delivery of a new Expert, swapped the 18T with 54T ratchets, quick, easy and cheap (relatively) upgrade, Done!

 

[Chicane]

Just took delivery of a new Expert, swapped the 18T with 54T ratchets, quick, easy and cheap (relatively) upgrade, Done!

Are you saying no tools required and a 2 minute swap? If so, it’s different than what I’ve searched and read.

 

[BikingBad]

Are you saying no tools required and a 2 minute swap? If so, it’s different than what I’ve searched and read.

No tools, 1 minute swap.

 

[SL76]

I think we can get one thing said, ITS A LOT OF MONEY!! There, I said it for everyone!

But the bike is sick.

Moderator Edit, please read this post before just jumping to the end and asking a question :

2022 Levo Gen 3 User Manual (41.5mb PDF direct Specialized link with multi languages, English only 9mb edited version available to download at bottom of post under "Attachments" dated 13th April 2021, so will not have future edits/updates in)

Bike relevant information.

Size Guide :

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Geometry comparisons to gen 2 bike in nearest match sizing, set with headset cup to +1 (steep)

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Specs :

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22 Pro (£10,750) and 22 S-Works (£13,000) models. 22 Expert (£8750) model expected (unconfirmed) June/July 2021.

Reference pricing :

21 S-Works (£12,500). 21 Expert Carbon (£8500). 21 Comp (£6300). 21 Base (£4800)
20 S-Works (£9,999). 20 Expert Carbon (£7249). 20 Comp (£5499). 20 Base (£4249)

BB Height Low , Chainstay 447, BB Height 342-348 (size dependant/headset cup dependant)
BB Height High , Chainstay 441, BB Height 349-354 (size dependant/headset cup dependant)

Max Seat post insertion S1-210, S2-220, S3-240, S4-255, S5-275, S6-295mm

Seat Tube : 34.9mm shimmed to 30.9mm on S-Works and Pro.

Rear shock : Custom Float X2
Part number: 979-63-010
Short ID: D9MP
Description: 2021, FLOAT X2, F-S, K, 2pos-Adj, Specialized, Levo F1, 210, 55, CL002, JCR010, Rezi CM, SBC S08 Dream Silver Satin/SBC W03 Metallic White, Neutral Logo, N/M

Battery : M2 700wh battery with new Gen3 "bash guard" housing the aqua (© Zim) door. Different "Packing Bung" at the top of the battery to accommodate the different frame shape - sold complete as the M3.

Rosenberger plug seals are treated with "Nyogel" Synthetic silicone lubricating grease - DO NOT get this on the plug connections if you re-treat as it's none conductive.

Mastermind TCU V1. - Backwards compatible Levo/Kenevo/SL (Upgrade Video in the Mastermind TCU thread).
Not available for purchase at launch due to supply issues.

Mastermind TCU Configuration and problem solving :

Other - Mastermind (TCU 2) "How to" guides

The New TCU is here. I was going to try to grab video sections and take screen prints, but I've just found these which make a perfect thread start. These are all really short and clear, so even if you have the attention span of a goldfish like me, they're all watchable in a couple of minutes...

www.emtbforums.com

Motor : Specialized/Brose 2.2 - Backwards compatible. 2.1 motor with all the incremental upgrades to firmware, sprag, bearings and the addition of a new belt for the 2.2

Frameset Only : £6500. The frameset supplied with:

• 2.2 Brose Motor
• 700wh Battery
• Handlebar Controller
• Mastermind TCU
• Float X2 shock and
• CRANK SET, PRAXIX,
• 160MM CARBON ARMS ,
• BCD 104MM SPIDER,
• SRAM CR EAGLE 34T CHAINRING

Pretty much anything else you might need to know in the Workbook :

Levo Gen 3 - 2022 GEN3 Turbo Levo Workbook

A huge thanks to @ruppia for finding and posting this in the Gen 3 thread. I've converted it to images for anyone who doesn't want to download it to view it and the original PDF is also at attached at the bottom if you do want to download it.

www.emtbforums.com

FORK UPGRADE LIMITS and Chainring Sizes :

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General Specification, quick find part numbers :

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More info taken from @knut7 Youtube : EMTB Videos & Gen3 Review :

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This thread has been "cleaned" to keep it more meaningful and easier to read for future readers searching for information on the Gen3 and wanting to discuss the Gen3. In the short term, duplicate questions and answers where people have not read the thread will also be moved. All the cleaned posts have been moved to a parallel thread here :

22 Gen 3 Levo - The cleaned posts.

MODERATOR : Parallel thread created to move posts which aren't directly appropriate to the GEN3 Levo thread so the main thread isn't cluttered for future readers. Apologies to anyone who who thinks their post was important. It might be, it was just not judged relevant to the main thread. This...

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31st March 2021 - Cleaning the "price related" and "I'd rather rather buy a watch" posts, based on the number of late arrivals reporting Zimmers sarcastic Watch posts we seem to be over the price thing. If you wish to read all the early views and questions you can find them all in the link above.
12th May - General clutter clean to make the thread more readable and moved into the other thread.

Just took delivery of a new Expert, swapped the 18T with 54T ratchets, quick, easy and cheap (relatively) upgrade, Done!

@BikingBad Please can u post a link where i can order the 54 T ratchets for the rear Roval Traverse Wheel...
It is the alluminium version your wheel too? Is it better and louder?thank you

 

[SL76]

Just took delivery of a new Expert, swapped the 18T with 54T ratchets, quick, easy and cheap (relatively) upgrade, Done!

@BikingBad how much it could cost the 54T?tnx

 

[BikingBad]

@BikingBad Please can u post a link where i can order the 54 T ratchets for the rear Roval Traverse Wheel...
It is the alluminium version your wheel too? Is it better and louder?thank you

Yes Traverse aluminum wheels on Expert model. Much faster engagement and no more loud “clunk” noise. DT Swiss 54t Star Ratchet Upgrade Kit: 2 Star Ratchets, 2 Springs and Grease

 

[SL76]

Yes Traverse aluminum wheels on Expert model. Much faster engagement and no more loud “clunk” noise. DT Swiss 54t Star Ratchet Upgrade Kit: 2 Star Ratchets, 2 Springs and Grease

Thank you @BikingBad
Almost around 100€ the upgrade kit!
Cheers !; )

 

[Jase]

This 54T looks like a good mod, how well is it lasting for people? See that DT are doing hubs of 24T for e-bikes because of the increased torque so just wondering if these aren’t going to be strong enough?

 

[Hurre]

And the carbon frames are insane light, here my cracked parts after disassembly

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Wow, That is light! Looks like you have almost all the bearings there too? So maybe 2,1-2,2kg when put together(bolts/ linkages)

 

[Polo1602]

I was told in a shop in Norway that all parts about guarantee would be black, so if you buy a bike you should think if that will be a nice replacement or not to your bike. Pick you bike color carefully...

That´s right. The alloy parts (seat- and chainstay) are black-matt and the carbon parts (seat- and chainstay) are black-glossy. I know it, because i had a crack in a weld of my chainstay.

 

[BikingBad]

Thank you @BikingBad
Almost around 100€ the upgrade kit!
Cheers !; )

You’re welcome. fyi, S-Works Turbo Levo comes with Traverse SL (carbon) wheels with 54T ratchet.

 

[MISTER HYDE]

This 54T looks like a good mod, how well is it lasting for people? See that DT are doing hubs of 24T for e-bikes because of the increased torque so just wondering if these aren’t going to be strong enough?

TRUE ! On Ebike a 54T Ratchet is not recommended due to the greater engine torque, in fact a friend who wanted to try burned it. Furthermore, more "free movement" of the freewheell may help to not have Pedal Kickback and let the rear suspension work better. Like if it were from an Ochain-spider principle.

OCHAIN-EBIKE NERO VERSION — OCHAIN MTB ACTIVE SPIDER

Ochain•E NERO for E-bike Chainline: specific chainline for every model. Main material: Al Alloy 7075 T6 Dimensions: 93 mm x 93 mm x 13 mm Weight: 148 g Standard bcd 104 mm chainrings (not included) With 9° setup Only (one spares elastomer kit inside the package) Ochain Chainring ergal Nut is

www.ochain.bike

Ochain Active Spider im Test – Das ultimative Upgrade für den Hinterbau eures Bikes?

Der aktive Kurbel-Spider von Ochain für 299 € soll Pedalrückschlag reduzieren und ein geschmeidigeres Fahrgefühl verleihen. Wir haben ihn getestet.

enduro-mtb.com

 

[Hoppy]

Bike Porn! The new season can start

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So what sram groupset works?


I have read 00.7918.281.000 doesn’t fit the brose on gen3 levo

 

[BikingBad]

Quick 1st ride impression around my neighborhood after initial bike setup…WOW! Compared to my Kenevo SL, this motor is silent, like riding a Tesla.