Kenevo SL Official 2022 Kenevo SL (KSL) Megathread!

[johned]

You mean this (Specialized) S216800019 ? I see average price 59 Euro around here.

It's otherwise under parts, only item in Remote section. Same one for all spec ebikes.

Replacement Parts

support.specialized.com

Thanks so much, George, that's the part.
I wasn't aware of support.specialized.com so had searched on the main web page.
I appreciate your reply.
Best,
John

 

[Loamranger]

New software updates concern the battery. Anyone know more and tried?

 

[Ou812]

New software updates concern the battery. Anyone know more and tried?

I’m holding off on the battery update, there’s been a few people that’s had it done and the battery capacity dropped. If you search on here you’ll find it.

 

[Loamranger]

I’m holding off on the battery update, there’s been a few people that’s had it done and the battery capacity dropped. If you search on here you’ll find it.

I tried searching, found some negatives on Brose updates. Can you point me in the right direction perhaps? Thanks

 

[Olivier Clg]

New software updates concern the battery. Anyone know more and tried?

My LBS told me wait until december before doing it. He think there will be some update...

 

[Joshua Andrew]

My LBS told me wait until december before doing it. He think there will be some update...

I’m not at all expecting this, but it would be amazing if you could turn off the auto power taper at 20% on the extender batteries. Or at least be able to drain an extender to 20% and then switch to the main battery. I have several extenders and it is such a hassle having to go to the app and restart the bike frequently when the extender is drained. 35nm is eco mode and 25nm is unusable on any kind of steep climb.

 

[George_KSL]

Exactly ! I am surprised how poorly the extended battery modes are made.
It would be such a simple fix to make the "Drain extended battery first" into adaptible mode that auto-switches to "drain both" when it reaches 20 perc. to avoid the dead zone of almost no power help.
Because of that, the drain extender first is effectively useless.

They constantly advertise for tech positions and they don't have programmer knowledge for primitive fix like this?

 

[boylagz]

Exactly ! I am surprised how poorly the extended battery modes are made.
It would be such a simple fix to make the "Drain extended battery first" into adaptible mode that auto-switches to "drain both" when it reaches 20 perc. to avoid the dead zone of almost no power help.
Because of that, the drain extender first is effectively useless.

They constantly advertise for tech positions and they don't have programmer knowledge for primitive fix like this?

Ive asked Spesh myself and yeah it sucks. I want to drain the ext first when riding with it. Mine tapers at 10% until it switches to the frame batt. Dude said theres nothing thats being done about this and advised simul. draining mode to avoid the lag.

 

[George_KSL]

So their advice is "avoid using this feature, we didn't really put effort into it" :- ).

 

[BikingBad]

Seems there were new firmware updates released for battery(0.4.15), motor(42.9.1) and display(38.E.0) over the past month and must be done by a retailer. Anyone get the updates and notice anything different?

 

[Joshua Andrew]

You’d have to find the discussion on this forum but we have a battery super nerd (can’t remember his name) and he basically explained that using the small battery only would greatly reduce its life and using both the main and extra battery gives both batteries a longer life.

So as y’all think they’re idiots it’s actually because they’re smart and there’s likely problems with draining the external battery to the point that they’ll never consider it.

Do most KSL owners only use like 50-75 battery points per ride? That doesn’t get you very far.

 

[BikingBad]

Do most KSL owners only use like 50-75 battery points per ride? That doesn’t get you very far.

Mostly depend on the rider (rider power input), type of trail, how much climbing and distance. My typical ride is about 2-2.5 hours, In two months of ownership most I’ve used is 85% internal battery. Amazing bike!

 

[Loamranger]

Seems there were new firmware updates released for battery(0.4.15), motor(42.9.1) and display(38.E.0) over the past month and must be done by a retailer. Anyone get the updates and notice anything different?

Drawing your attention to post 1908 in this thread

 

[BikingBad]

Drawing your attention to post 1908 in this thread

That post was for battery which I have already, updates for motor and display are new.

 

[Dax]

Do most KSL owners only use like 50-75 battery points per ride? That doesn’t get you very far.

Last time I was out, I used 65% of internal battery for 22miles/3700ft. The bike had more but I didn’t because I’m old and fat.

 

[Doomanic]

65% of internal battery

22miles/3700ft.

I’m old and fat.

Does not compute.

 

[Mcharza]

Do most KSL owners only use like 50-75 battery points per ride? That doesn’t get you very far.

In Finland I got 25 km per ride, normally 200-400 meters vertical. So I get three rides before have to charge. Yes I know, i’m living in flat land. Consumption is about 1 Wh per km.

In Alps I got 10,2 km and 1050 m vertical and then down, total km a little bit over 20, used about 80% battery. But it was very steep climg, 100m vertical per km.

To me it’s good enough.

 

[George_KSL]

there’s likely problems with draining the external battery to the point that they’ll never consider it.

1) Right now, "shorten lifespan" mode already exists anyway, it's the "use extender first to point of heavy taper"
2) I advocate for changing that mode only to start proportionally charging from main battery at point right before the taper occurs, and delivery is always smooth, no taper occurs to mixed charge due to temporary dead zone. This would in NO way worsen that mode's impact on lifespan, so your argument on this incorrect.

Do you understand what adaptivity would do ? It would effectively switch from mode1 (extender only) to mode2 automatically, without user input, which is what everyone right now does.

But you had to build a strawman.

Surprise, this is already how other systems are doing it. Are other engineers dumber than Spec? No, Spec is just lazy to do feature updates.

Re Battery: 2000 KM on my KSL this year (maybe not enough, but I have toddler and spent equal KMs on pumptracks), almost always discharge to less than 10perc, then fully charge to 100, leave for days if must. Battery still at 100perc. health. Baby-sitting lithium batteries has become obssesive. Impossible to do any long-term damage to battery on gravity oriented bike, no one on KSL or LS runs 20K per year.

 

[Sid Duffman]

Proud owner of a new KSL expert, and got my first ride in yesterday. Overall quite pleased with it. Having no idea what to expect from the battery, I spent a lot of time in eco mode. After 22 miles and 4500 ft vert (35km/1370m), still had 42% of battery remaining. So I put it in turbo mode for the 5 mile/1000ft fireroad slog back to the parking lot and that drained the battery to 9%.

As a long time fan of Shimano brakes, the Codes feel woefully underpowered. I might give it a few more rides, but will probably swap them out. Fork and shock needs some dialing in, but decided to swap the fork for the Manitou Mezzer that was on my other bike. I figure the Fox 38 performance elite probably has good resale value. The shock handled single hits well, but less impressive in chattery stuff.

 

[BikingBad]

Maiden ride on KSL. 4 eMTBs: 2 KSL, 1 LSL, 1 YT Decoy

 

[Sid Duffman]

For those who have gone the mullet route, did you do any other changes to tweak the geometry?

Playing around with the numbers, it seem like if I went to a 180mm fork, high bottom bracket and middle headtube angle, the BB height and head tube angle would be similar to the stock geo with 29er front/rear, 170mm fork, and low/slack settings.

 

[George_KSL]

For those who have gone the mullet route, did you do any other changes to tweak the geometry?

Playing around with the numbers, it seem like if I went to a 180mm fork, high bottom bracket and middle headtube angle, the BB height and head tube angle would be similar to the stock geo with 29er front/rear, 170mm fork, and low/slack settings.

You're correct.
I did Mullet, BB high (I think bigger benefit is shorter chainstay rather than the BB itself) and kept 170 ZEB on middle position.
That alone lowers the head angle to 63. So upping to 180 would you give you low/slack, but with additional slacker seat tube, possibly less anti-rise.
The bike feels very DH-worthy in this setup with 170 alone, mind the additional stack height even without rising the fork.
Fun fact: I put all the numbers into bike-stats and the bike was 99perc. identical to new mullet Santa Cruz Nomad :- ). Kinda confirming to me the mullet didn't affect anything negatively (mainly because the BB flip-chip shortens chainstays as well outside of lifting the BB up.)

 

[elkefro]

Hello,

Anyone with play on the upper link bolt? It turns but doesn't fix... Thanks
Kenevo SL

 

[Mcharza]

It's tightened to 17 Nm, no more.
If it loosens, apply locking glue and see if it loosens again.

 

[MM5K]

Has anyone actually seen their battery health drop? I have 67 charge cycles with my battery health still showing 100%, and I'm wondering if that's accurate.

Also, just got my first motor replacement after 1,450 miles. The internal sprag clutch (or whatever clutch system they use) stripped out on me. It'd be interesting to hear if that's happened to anyone else here, cause my shop said I was the first they've seen that happen to.

 

[BikingBad]

Has anyone actually seen their battery health drop? I have 67 charge cycles with my battery health still showing 100%, and I'm wondering if that's accurate.

Also, just got my first motor replacement after 1,450 miles. The internal sprag clutch (or whatever clutch system they use) stripped out on me. It'd be interesting to hear if that's happened to anyone else here, cause my shop said I was the first they've seen that happen to.

What were the signs/symptoms of stripped clutch?

 

[MM5K]

What were the signs/symptoms of stripped clutch?

Cranks spin, but not the chainring. Also accompanied by a loud grinding sound, just like when a screw gun hits its torque.

It’d happen under sudden hard torque, like taking off from a standstill or sprinting.

 

[lzrm00s]

This is going to be an oddly specific question, but does anyone know of a chainring for the Kenevo SL, that comes in a silver-ish color?

 

[Loamranger]

My LBS told me wait until december before doing it. He think there will be some update...

Any further news on this? Cheers.

 

[Olivier Clg]

Any further news on this? Cheers.

no news, no more info at this time .
But my KSL is always perfect to ride. Best bike for my practice in my opinion