TCFlowClyde
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Curious about M820 motor noise too!
SZZS specific CEF50-main thread (initial builds and troubleshooting related only)
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60% (3/5 leds) remaining? Excellent
Is that in general? or specific to this frame. please tell me more.
Noise is perceivable but nothing really disturbing for me, but not a TQ motor for sure. In turbo mode its a lil loud.Rocky boost mode?
Noise during climbs and turbo modes?
Thanks in advance.
I've no idea how to enable rocky boost mode, and I have the DP E180 controller so it should enable it
temon10
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Wow...Too loud??
just checked and I still have 2 leds left, so probably a 50km route with 1300m can be easily done, enough for me30k on a 410wh seems like good range!
wow, impressive for a small battery like this! Very excited to get the bike (LCE930 for me)
I don´t have mine yet but I'm worried.
I really really don´t like the mid motors whining
New day, new print. Hope this is the last one.
Added a magnet support for RT-EM centerlock disc brakes, this will ensure the magnet passes perfectly on where the sensor is installed in the CEF50.
CEF50 EMTB Frame grommets and Battery support by matioz Feel free to give me a like if you find it useful
Added a magnet support for RT-EM centerlock disc brakes, this will ensure the magnet passes perfectly on where the sensor is installed in the CEF50.
CEF50 EMTB Frame grommets and Battery support by matioz Feel free to give me a like if you find it useful
Forestal told me by e-mail that their motor is unique to them and is not just an M820. I would have preferred it to just be an M820 so that rebuilds, and replacements were available for many years. Truth is that Forestal is much more likely to shut the doors rather than Bafang.
Is the Forestal motor the same architecture, but with different mounts? Is the exact same motor but with Ti shafts, etc. I don't know?
As far as the noise goes, well the new Levo SL uses a honeycomb structure on the new casing. Some insulation might be the best path forward.
I will admit that reports of high noise were the primary reason I blew off purchasing a Forestal frame set, which they are selling now at reasonable prices.
TCFlowClyde
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Noise like a soft whine or whirring sound, especially in turbo/boost mode for me isn't a big deal and fairly normal for most full-powered motors...I just don't want a metallic grind or high pitch shreek from a banshee or gremlin banging on a metal pipe!
This was reported by one YouTube influencers from Norway on his EMTB Videos channel last year on the Cyron review. Maybe his factory demo ride was haunted by robot-ghosts?
So, maybe that issue was attenuated somewhat since then by Forestal/Bafang.
Perhaps, the higher torque and power of M820-75Nm somehow mitigates the noise in this motor.From the three that have their CEF50 build up-and-running from their preliminary reports, it may be more quiet than the Forestal EonDrive60/Bafang M820-60.
My reasoning, if the noise were really too loud or irritating, it would standout as noteworthy. So far, it's the impressive power that shines!
Which is what most want to hear! Sounds like the M820-75Nm is measuring up to many expectations!
My build should be going up in the next few days if all goes well. Today is the shipment delivery day by FedEx. So hopefully, it gets to my door trouble-free!
I would not be surprised that the Bafang and EON Drive are the exact same motor with a software difference just like the standard Shimano EP8 and the Orbea Rise EP8RS.
I got a fast reply from Miranda via email.
mirandabikestore.com
That is LIGHT!
"Hi Mike,
The weight should be around 288g the pair.
The FB has a head a bit taller.
Best Regards
Filipe Carriço
Carbon Fiber Cranks 165 Q:8 FB Isis Standard (Black) for E-BIKE & MTB & ROAD & TRACK
What's included: Right and left crank arms, installation bolts
mirandabikestore.com
"Hi Mike,
The weight should be around 288g the pair.
The FB has a head a bit taller.
Best Regards
Filipe Carriço
Maybe someone could, hint hint Tom, weight the standard Bafang cranks to help determine how much can be saved buying carbon cranks. The weight and the price of the Miranda is very tempting.
ALso the offsets like in the drawing above to determine which set of cranks to get.
ALso the offsets like in the drawing above to determine which set of cranks to get.
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Another great feature of the M820 is the boost function called “Rocky”. Activating this function is simple, with a single or double click on the “+” sign, dependent on if you already in the boost mode. When entering the “Rocky mode” (seen in the display as a special Rocky icon) the rider will enjoy a “Rocky push feeling” for a set continuous period.
Another great feature of the M820 is the boost function called “Rocky”. Activating this function is simple, with a single or double click on the “+” sign, dependent on if you already in the boost mode. When entering the “Rocky mode” (seen in the display as a special Rocky icon) the rider will enjoy a “Rocky push feeling” for a set continuous period.
TCFlowClyde
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I think somebody weighed 'em already that had a M820 motor....cast alloy 170 mm at 460-480g ish. It's posted over at the M820 thread.
Eventually, I'll weigh them but low priority for now. Much higher priority is my MegMeg fitment and travel clearance.
Even 460-288=172 nearly 6 ounces savings.
TCFlowClyde
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Well maybe it was more 400+ g. It's on that thread about 2 months ago. You should be able to find it.
It's been so long, I can't even remember how much my 155 mm purple Hope Cranks are anymore. Months since I weighed those too?
The weight Karokonig reported was 498g!
Your weight on the Hope is 465g.
498-288=210 or 13 ounces savings with the MIranda. But not sure what the Q factor would be 8 or 16? Not sure how that specification is measured
Your weight on the Hope is 465g.
498-288=210 or 13 ounces savings with the MIranda. But not sure what the Q factor would be 8 or 16? Not sure how that specification is measured
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That's big grams savings!
Filipe at Maranda seemed to think that the Bafang M820 would require their Q16 cranks. I am not sure what the Q rating they use means. I have always dealt with simply the measurement of the arms installed in the frame. So I am not sure what they mean by Q8 vs Q16. The FB clearly means and increase in offset. Anybody run across this nomenclature before?
I would buy those Q8 Carbon cranks if they would fit the chainline.
I would buy those Q8 Carbon cranks if they would fit the chainline.
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thaeber
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The Q factor is the distance between the right and left crankarm at the bore for the pedal axle at the inner faces of the cranks.. Only problem could be, that the „lower Q“ crank hits the chainstay on left or right side. The chainline of both cranks is the same, the chainring spider is mouted to the motor axle, not to the crankarm!
Thats right. It is why I was confused at what Q8 or Q16 means. Maybe their in-house nomenclature. I have not heard it anywhere else. Maybe we can get a certain person who is about to get his bike to make measurements of the Bafang crank to compare to Miranda's diagram. I would like to save 13 ounces. That could make the difference in an under 40lbs bike.
I hope he is busy unboxing his frame.
I hope he is busy unboxing his frame.
I bought these levers. They will arrive in 1 month.I got a fast reply from Miranda via email.
That is LIGHT!Carbon Fiber Cranks 165 Q:8 FB Isis Standard (Black) for E-BIKE & MTB & ROAD & TRACK
What's included: Right and left crank arms, installation bolts
"Hi Mike,
The weight should be around 288g the pair.
The FB has a head a bit taller.
View attachment 114887
Best Regards
Filipe Carriço
He also measured the Miranda Carbon 165mm standard (not FB) at 312.4g
Also measured 12mm wider inside crank - inside crank, at the pedals.
This means more chainstay clearance than the standard Bafang. No need for FB version I would think.
If you went with FB, it will be 15mm wider than oem.
Karokonig post
He went on to say the cranks work no problem
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The only problem is that MIranda makes a lot of cranks so it depends which one he was measuring. I think the Q8 and Q16 are different and the previous diagram is the Q8. What was the crank Karokonig comparing?
OEM is not on sale. I had to buy FB.
Me too! They are both now out of stock.
temon10
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BTW what size for seatclamp? Any recommend cheap but light for this frame?
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