rydeezie
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Waiting for the gloos white s-works colorway then I’ll order
The frame only color is great too
The frame only color is great too
I’d imagine anyone looking to buy a KSL will wait for the new one. I’ll bet there will be bigger discounts on the current model as time moves forward.This is awesome! Is there any gossip about this motor coming to the Kenevo SL too?!
Thanks ! Still I hope they will deliver fine tuned suspension setup as the geo is all new !I based it on the old Levo comp suspension set up. Rear felt good front needs about 10psi dropped. I also own a gen 3 Levo and the difference in handling is insane.
I was between the two but the trek seems to be plagued with motor problems at the moment. With a good dealer on my doorstep the Levo sl got my money. The Levo is also a lot lighter than the trek. I’d def say demo both if you can.Lots of adjustment is a big plus.
A fixed battery, not really much quieter (and apparently making it quieter was only an afterthought – see Loamwolf report on YouTube), and an (for me) uninspiring frame format ( … totally subjective of course) are all deal killers for me … it may ride great, but I am really happy with my ‘coming any day now’ Trek Fuel EXe choice.
I think the battery will be removable, just not quick swappable, it will be motor half off same as the old one.Is the battery really not removable? One of the advantages of the KSL was being able to fly with it and just use a range extender.
If they made the range extender like the old style Ebike batteries that just attached to the frame on their own mount instead of using the bottle mount it would be preferable.I'd also like to see a range extender battery in a different shape/format. Seems to me like you could make a range extender to hang under the DT which would put the weight lower and allow you to keep the water-bottle.
If they made the range extender like the old style Ebike batteries that just attached to the frame on their own mount instead of using the bottle mount it would be preferable. View attachment 113584
Maybe not ideal having the weight up high in this instance but you could design the frame around it, so it was lower.
It couldn’t hurt if we email specialized support with our motor upgrade hopes, and emphasize how that would insure brand loyalty in the future. I’ll do that right now.I think the battery will be removable, just not quick swappable, it will be motor half off same as the old one.
I doubt that the efficiency is significantly better than the old one, the old one seems really good to me, possibly more efficient at 240W but that's not what I care about, efficiency at 100W or so is where it matters to me and if it's a more powerful motor then that may have suffered.
Very interested in better motor sealing, lower noise, more crank length choice (?) and the Mastermind TCU though.
If the motor really does fit in the old Levo SL and if Specialized offered an upgrade package of the Mastermind TCU and the new motor then I would be very interested.
I feel like this would be a great thing for them to do, would help shift the remaining stock of the old bikes and reassure potential purchasers of the new bikes that a similar thing might happen down the line with other models. Much more likely to drop thousands on a bike if it seems like it wont be obsolete in a couple of years and could instead be "refreshed" to be closer to the latest and greatest.
You would still have the bottle cage, for a bottle or any other thing you wanted to put in there but the range extender battery would mount somewhere different. Kind of like having your cake and eating it.A bottle range extender is perfect - there are so many off the shelf alternatives for carting bottle sized objects on a bike.
I’ve read several posters here claim the new motor fits the old frame. If that’s true, I don’t see why you seem to think it’s too late.^The time to do that would be when the product was on the drawing board....not after manufacture.
Awesome thanks , are the splines on the motor for the cranks the same on the SL and full fat turbo, just wondering if my hope cranks will fit that I have fitted to my FF 22 levo ??
I can’t see the frame only anywhere… but my shop can get one in 2 weeks. They weren’t sure it that’d be the white or black S-Works frame… but from the look of it, it’ll be silver!Awesome thanks , are the splines on the motor for the cranks the same on the SL and full fat turbo, just wondering if my hope cranks will fit that I have fitted to my FF 22 levo ??
Also do you get a headset if you buy just the frame??
Regards
Bikes should not be reduced to isolated geometry aspects. It's the whole picture and the riding style that makes it that kind of bike you want. 20 years ago this would have been a downhiller, 10 years ago this would have been called enduro bike (the trek slash used to have 160/150 @29). Test it if you can and find out if it is fine for you.I'm confused a little bit. Who is this SL for? DH shredder? Nope. So trail and uphill with epic climbs? But with that short chainstay, 27.5 wheel, relatively slack seat tube and KSL-like head tube angle? Several reviews mentioned poor (technical) climbs capability. Also advertised with your butt hanging on rear 27.5 wheel on your way down. So it is more enduro than trail?
Where does that leave KSL? Or even classic Levo?
They say it's a trail bike - repeatedly.I'm confused a little bit. Who is this SL for? DH shredder? Nope. So trail and uphill with epic climbs? But with that short chainstay, 27.5 wheel, relatively slack seat tube and KSL-like head tube angle? Several reviews mentioned poor (technical) climbs capability. Also advertised with your butt hanging on rear 27.5 wheel on your way down. So it is more enduro than trail?
Where does that leave KSL? Or even classic Levo?
According to Francis review it is more efficient when you demand 240 watts. I think it is just like the ep801 rs which is more efficient since you only demand 60 nm instead of 85.There is a suggestion that the new motor is more efficient, but I think this is just down to them re-tuning the support modes slightly.
They say they've re-tuned Trail 75% Support/80% Peak power and Turbo 100% support/80% peak modes, so this maybe where the extra "efficiency" comes from. Eco remains the same as previously at 35% support/35% peak power. If you want to use all the new power which is available, you'll need to up peak power to 100%.
mine came with everything at /100 not sure if this is stock or my dealer set it. Done roughly an hour riding yesterday 12/14 miles had 59% left.There is a suggestion that the new motor is more efficient, but I think this is just down to them re-tuning the support modes slightly.
They say they've re-tuned Trail 75% Support/80% Peak power and Turbo 100% support/80% peak modes, so this maybe where the extra "efficiency" comes from. Eco remains the same as previously at 35% support/35% peak power. If you want to use all the new power which is available, you'll need to up peak power to 100%.
mine came with everything at /100 not sure if this is stock or my dealer set it. Done roughly an hour riding yesterday 12/14 miles had 59% left.
I can’t see the frame only anywhere… but my shop can get one in 2 weeks. They weren’t sure it that’d be the white or black S-Works frame… but from the look of it, it’ll be silver!
I assume the headset comes with the frame as it has the adjustable cups.
Exactly there’s far to many variables to get a precise range. I can only mention my own experiences.And rider weight, rider fitness, terrain type, etc
I agree that it brings the bike closer to the KSL and other bikes in their product range.I'm confused a little bit. Who is this SL for? DH shredder? Nope. So trail and uphill with epic climbs? But with that short chainstay, 27.5 wheel, relatively slack seat tube and KSL-like head tube angle? Several reviews mentioned poor (technical) climbs capability. Also advertised with your butt hanging on rear 27.5 wheel on your way down. So it is more enduro than trail?
Where does that leave KSL? Or even classic Levo?
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