I did contemplate doing a photoshop Gen4 Rob video thumbnail just to upset everyone
The Gen4 goes one up on VPP anyway .. It's a complete VMB (Virtual mountain bike)
Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2023/4/5/6 Rumours...
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The Gen4 goes one up on VPP anyway .. It's a complete VMB (Virtual mountain bike)
I hate those helium filled frames, they get all unpredictable when you Whip ...
How about a mass produced MGU with belt drive high power levo. Presumably belt can take more abuse than chains, and more power can surely only make that situation worse. It would also open up riding in worse conditions more often as cleaning the cassette/chain etc is a real pain currently, much less with belt.
I realise there are already options out there but they aren't cheap.
I got a chance to take a Rapcon for a spin, the MGU was loud as hell and the screen that it uses was hideous. I’m sure those are things that Pinion will improve as newer versions come out but I couldn’t live with the current version as it is.
I’m waiting for someone to build a bike around the new MGU from Intradrive. According to the owner it’s a lot quieter and lighter than Pinions version but nobody is using it yet.
115 Nm sounds great, but can it compete with DJI's 800-1000 Watts?
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Its an uncommon fact that for EMTB's Torque is more important than watts.
sluette
Active member
Nobody cares!
Power is as important as it has ever been. Without those watts you won't get up steep hills fast.
Bikedriver19
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Yeah bud, what world do you live in? Some care and I love it. The more power, the better.
Cant' wait to see the future! Bikes will just keep getting better (more powerful), I think.
sluette
Active member
Yes! Watts are welcome but why is every second Post referencing DJI?
We need a mod to come thru and scrub the thread, it would probably end up being only 20 pages lol.
My guess is that maybe this is the only topic on this site that anyone responds in so it's turn into "General E-Bike Discussion" There might even be a note in that section to come to this thread to post.
Bikedriver19
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because they are putting out the most watts / gram at the moment, Its pretty cool.
Its not though, everything I've ever bought from Alibaba has shit the bed within a year or two.
Bikedriver19
New Member
Power is Power. The fact is, power = pi/30 X speed X torque, considering efficiency.
Speed and torque is inversely proportional.
Its a fact, that all that matters is total power, at the end of the day.
Bikedriver19
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I'll let you know, when I beat the hell out of this bike, and it shits the bed. Hasn't happened yet, but I admit, its new still.
They are very likely to have highest battery consumption/gram also, not very cool.
Bikedriver19
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Then You must know the efficiency, that both systems operate?. Curious, if you know?, let us know. My buddies on bosch and shimano, pretty much get the same range, and/or ..most of the time, I beat them.
I haven't seen the law of conservation of energy, broken.
Man, the efficiency, is all that matters.
Power is power.
Doesn't matter who has the most watts/gram, that aside, unless the efficiency is superior.
From what I can tell so far, DJI is running at high efficiency and conservatively . "Boost" mode would kill it, in about 10 seconds, if it wasn't.
I haven't seen the law of conservation of energy, broken.
Man, the efficiency, is all that matters.
Power is power.
Doesn't matter who has the most watts/gram, that aside, unless the efficiency is superior.
From what I can tell so far, DJI is running at high efficiency and conservatively . "Boost" mode would kill it, in about 10 seconds, if it wasn't.
Interesting comment.Considering that especially after the DJI motor release(and even before) batteries are clearly they heaviest part of an e-bike(more than 1kg heavier than the motor at 800wh currently), innovation in that department is very important in getting the total weight lower while still having very high performance. I understand that some newer gen batteries are slowly becoming commercially available, but not sure when we can see them in ebikes(or even cars).So do you mean that besides there initial battery the bike will be released with(which. I guess should be pretty high tech), there will be a bigger one(probably with even newer tech) coming later? Also what about the smaller battery, there will be an option or you mean you don't know?
When I was with them at the HQ we did a tour not just the new levo but also the racing division, this was super cool, and the development workshop. When I asked about the battery and motor and the told me it’s 8xxwh I was like wow that’s cool especially since it looked way smaller then the 700wh old battery then he said there working on 1kw and also 1.2kw. I think cell tech must be moving on also don’t forget this is could be for other e bikes as well not just the EMTB’s. However they never mentioned 600wh batteries and also what they said about the motor power now makes sense with the other rumours on this thread, they told me the power was 95 plus, I didn’t understand that comment at the time but now I think it makes sense that the different versions have the same motor but different power levels, if other comments are correct just a guess on my part.
Man that must have been an amazing tour!! Thanks for the info and explanation, very interesting a 1.2kw battery with current 200wh/kg packages would be around 6kg... they must have something significantly more dense to go that far!!Anyway exciting times with battery innovation. Regarding the motor, 95 plus makes sense, and I can see a stronger sworks making its price more attractive(although I don't think I would go that far for a bike). I think they are going with Brose again (although an all-new mahle would be equally exciting to see), it makes more sense. But to be honest with he peak3 motor claiming 2.9kg and 95nm released 2 years ago, I am hoping they are going for a significantly upgraded 2nd version of this motor at least(if not a whole new version).To be fair I can understand having less power than DJI, high energy consumption, reliabilty and even being caught up by surprise can all play into it, but accepting to loose 400gr simply by having a heavier motor, especially in an sworks which is known for being the lightest in its category would be a huge miss which I don't think they would be willing to accept. Anyway I have to be patient, till we get to see what they actually release
Georgedukesa
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Hi everyone
Just a question and don’t sacrifice me if I sound stupid ,all the power in the world and an average bike ( geometry breaks suspension) really doesn’t help if you can’t transfer it to the ground , all the threads I’ve read about top ebikes for 2023 2024 and the majority of 2025 with all the new bikes been dropped end last year and coming out now , The Gen 3 Turbo Levo is still in the top 5 and yes that includes the Dronie Bonie , so stands to reason if Specialized has (and i truly believe they do ) updated the gen 4 to a new level no matter what the other manufacturers have this will stand the test of time for the next cycle (3years ) and we will all be in for really decent top 5ver or better
Just a question and don’t sacrifice me if I sound stupid ,all the power in the world and an average bike ( geometry breaks suspension) really doesn’t help if you can’t transfer it to the ground , all the threads I’ve read about top ebikes for 2023 2024 and the majority of 2025 with all the new bikes been dropped end last year and coming out now , The Gen 3 Turbo Levo is still in the top 5 and yes that includes the Dronie Bonie , so stands to reason if Specialized has (and i truly believe they do ) updated the gen 4 to a new level no matter what the other manufacturers have this will stand the test of time for the next cycle (3years ) and we will all be in for really decent top 5ver or better
Some kind of traction control system would be a great innovation I think, although you’d always need some slip, trying to ride up steep rocky or slippery chutes traction is sometimes an issue even with lower power motors.
Not heard that rumour though, even in this roller coaster of a thread!
I don’t think Brose has released the peak3 yet. It was unveiled ages ago but not released. Will only release later the year I believe.Man that must have been an amazing tour!! Thanks for the info and explanation, very interesting a 1.2kw battery with current 200wh/kg packages would be around 6kg... they must have something significantly more dense to go that far!!Anyway exciting times with battery innovation. Regarding the motor, 95 plus makes sense, and I can see a stronger sworks making its price more attractive(although I don't think I would go that far for a bike). I think they are going with Brose again (although an all-new mahle would be equally exciting to see), it makes more sense. But to be honest with he peak3 motor claiming 2.9kg and 95nm released 2 years ago, I am hoping they are going for a significantly upgraded 2nd version of this motor at least(if not a whole new version).To be fair I can understand having less power than DJI, high energy consumption, reliabilty and even being caught up by surprise can all play into it, but accepting to loose 400gr simply by having a heavier motor, especially in an sworks which is known for being the lightest in its category would be a huge miss which I don't think they would be willing to accept. Anyway I have to be patient, till we get to see what they actually release
Georgedukesa
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Also saw that but Spesh probably took the Brose changed housing to suite the stumpy framework also for heat and noise reduction fiddled with the software to get the gains they want and booof Gen4 moto ready for action
Georgedukesa
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This is probably a impossible feet but I’d really be impressed if they (engineers) were somehow able to make space for a swat down tube storage compartment, the only way I recon they could do this Is making the 800watt battery the size of the extender
but that’s probably asking way to much for now pretty sure in the not so distant future as batteries get larger in power and smaller in size it could be a win
never knew I would use it so much as I’ve done on my Epic 8 evo
and also think a beeeeg ask Is to keep the S-Works stickers or Specialized to a bare minimum again as seen on the 2025 epic 8 evo and stumpy 15 only sticker is on Top tube very down toned and on the seat tube at the back
but that’s probably asking way to much for now pretty sure in the not so distant future as batteries get larger in power and smaller in size it could be a win
never knew I would use it so much as I’ve done on my Epic 8 evo
and also think a beeeeg ask Is to keep the S-Works stickers or Specialized to a bare minimum again as seen on the 2025 epic 8 evo and stumpy 15 only sticker is on Top tube very down toned and on the seat tube at the back
sluette
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Same here... they certainly put some kind of steam engines in the G4 frame a few weeks ago to keep the press camp/release going in Madeira....
Guys, some really live behind the moon here...
So much this! i got a s works stumpy and i hate the S-WORKS graphic down side. Much prefer the top tube subtle ones
Think I'll wait for at least 1.6kWh battery......
“This baby can do at least 30 miles of rugged terrain,” he told his buddies, who were already questioning his life choices.
By mile five, he felt like a god.
By mile ten, he was unstoppable.
By mile twelve, the battery was at 14%.
Huh.
He squinted at the display, which now read: “Hope you trained for this.”
At mile fourteen, Eco mode gave up.
At mile fifteen, Dave was left with nothing but a 48lb deadweight of shame between his legs and a six-mile uphill slog back to civilization.
The hikers he had mocked earlier passed him, offering pitying glances and granola bars. Somewhere in the distance, a crow cawed—probably laughing.
As he collapsed next to his car, he stared at his Amflow and whispered the only words that made sense:
“You left me for dead.”
"Stranded: The 800Wh Betrayal"
Dave had one goal: conquer the trails. With his brand-new Amflow and a beefy 800Wh battery, he was ready to leave his mortal legs behind and embrace pure, electrified dominance over nature.“This baby can do at least 30 miles of rugged terrain,” he told his buddies, who were already questioning his life choices.
The Ascent of Overconfidence
The ride started beautifully. Turbo mode engaged. Rocks? Irrelevant. Steep inclines? Child’s play. He blasted past struggling hikers, throwing out a casual “should’ve brought an eBike, losers” as he zoomed by.By mile five, he felt like a god.
By mile ten, he was unstoppable.
By mile twelve, the battery was at 14%.
Huh.
He squinted at the display, which now read: “Hope you trained for this.”
The Descent into Suffering
At mile thirteen, Turbo mode died.At mile fourteen, Eco mode gave up.
At mile fifteen, Dave was left with nothing but a 48lb deadweight of shame between his legs and a six-mile uphill slog back to civilization.
The hikers he had mocked earlier passed him, offering pitying glances and granola bars. Somewhere in the distance, a crow cawed—probably laughing.
The Aftermath
By the time he made it back to the trailhead, his soul had left his body. His legs were ruined, his pride was shattered, and the only thing more dead than his battery was his spirit.As he collapsed next to his car, he stared at his Amflow and whispered the only words that made sense:
“You left me for dead.”
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