commencal 2021

[rb.]

But this situation still su**s.
You buy a bike with the price tag of a small car and can't be shure, that it doesn't fall apart on your first ride.
Imagine buying a new car, where your door falls off after the 10th time you open it.
No one would tolerate that ...

This is where a local bike shop can be a benefit over direct to consumer. My local bike shop takes up to 4 hours to build a bike (which most places would think is way too long) because they go through EVERYTHING and add grease and torque to spec as necessary. But when a customer buys a bike from them they will never have to call back and complain that it’s creaking, or a bolt fell out, or it’s not shifting correctly, etc.

And yet a still have owned a few direct to consumer bikes knowing that I will spend a bit more time myself setting it up.

 

[Darkyhs]

This is where a local bike shop can be a benefit over direct to consumers. My local bike shop takes up to 4 hours to build a bike (which most places would think is way too long) because they go through EVERYTHING and add grease and torque to spec as necessary. But when a customer buys a bike from them they will never have to call back and complain that it’s creaking, or a bolt fell out, or it’s not shifting correctly, etc.

And yet a still have owned a few direct to consumer bikes knowing that I will spend a bit more time myself setting it up.

My LBS, where my Meta Power currently is, they are a Specialized Dealer. My road bike is a Specialized Allez Sprint and I also own the Specialized Stumpjumper Evo from 2020(I will keep that bike for BikePark days). They also do Shimano E-Bike stuff as they are also an official Shimano dealer. For a couple of euros, they do all for me including checking and updating the Shimano engine if needed. Just spend the extra € for your peace of mind. Leave the bike a couple of days to be 100% certain all is good.

Between brackets, they are pretty cool tho. When they have parts that are more expensive than online, they show me where to get it I guess I have always been quite lucky with bike shops Just be a normal person with them and keep open contact with them. Drink a beer with them if necessary. Now they are mounting my Saint Brakes and Renthal parts I got online.

 

[GCSquared]

Yesterday after my ride I sent emails to Commencal and eThirteen regarding the end cap and spacer(s) that went missing when my crank arm fell off. eThirteen replied and said "Unfortunately Commencal doesn't install the cranks with the correct torque after a recall change of the motor of the bike. But if you can let us know your address, we are happy to send over the parts free of charge under goodwill." I'm sure Commencal will reply soon as well.

 

[robbyfritzler]

ye founded , what I meant is that it is not a well sealed engine cover and the contacts seem exposed to me. however great bike, I'm mounting the whole hope braking system

Im also thinking of installing hopes on my essential. The SLX brakes feel lackluster and prone to heat fade.
Did you go E4 or V4? How did the install go? I’d be stupid to keep the shimano 203 mm rotors right? After looking around, if I ordered brakes today it would be 5 weeks til I get em..

 

[robat]

For a couple of euros, they do all for me including checking and updating the Shimano engine if needed.

If they bill you for updating the STEPS unit, they rip you off. ?
It just takes a smartphone, the (free) shimano app, 30 seconds and literally zero effort...

 

[R120]

Does the Commencal use E13 Cranks rather than the Shamano ones? Seems like an odd choice, might be they aren't that great

 

[GCSquared]

Does the Commencal use E13 Cranks rather than the Shamano ones? Seems like an odd choice, might be they aren't that great

The Meta Power Essential uses eThirteen cranks.

 

[R120]

Do they have the safety/security plate like the Shimano cranks? Its effectiveness is something that has been debated down the years but it's supposed to locate the cranks correctly and prevent the crank walking down the spindle.

 

[robat]

Does the Commencal use E13 Cranks rather than the Shamano ones? Seems like an odd choice, might be they aren't that great

Might be, since all the E13 stuff is "ok" at best...
But Shimano crankarms will also fall off, if not attached properly.

 

[GCSquared]

Do they have the safety/security plate like the Shimano cranks? Its effectiveness is something that has been debated down the years but it's supposed to locate the cranks correctly and prevent the crank walking down the spindle.

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Mine does not have the retaining clip unless it fell out when my crank arm fell off.

 

[melmark]

update: DO NOT DO THIS! as predicted the software senses something is wrong & shuts it down, happened to me after about 1 hour today, error code E050. I swapped it back to normal & rebooting didn't clear the error, luckily after about 10 minutes of very painful climbing it self-cleared & all was good again.

What, are you saying riding a 54lb bike uphill with no power was hard? cmon man eat your spinach ?

 

[shenchman]

if anyone is considering swapping to different length E13 e*spec crankarms, here's the response i got when i asked about availability:
"Our e*spec plus cranks for the Shimano EP8 Motor are OEM only at the moment, but we'll get them in the aftermarket early next year and then you'll find them available in the shop also."

ie these offerings currently on their website are NOT compatible:

e*spec Plus Cranks

We're now bringing our World Cup proven technology to the eBike marketplace, with our e*spec Plus Alloy Cranks. Available for Bosch Gen4 CX, Brose S Mag drive, TQ, Fazua Ride 50 and Shimano EP8 & E7000/E8000 systems. Shimano E7000/E8000 require conversion kit CSS30-114

www.ethirteen.com

of course shimano crankarms is another option, which would likely involve having to swap out the chainring as well (?). chainline/Q-factor/EP8/frame compatibility makes my brain hurt so i'll probably stick with E13 until i settle on a final length, then consider upgrading to XT.

EP8 EP800 SERIES | SHIMANO BIKE COMPONENT | SHIMANO BIKE-EU

To Build Closer Relationships between People, Nature, and Bicycles. We believe in the power of cycling to create a better world as we move forward. We inspire all people to enjoy our products in their everyday lives and where they take them.

bike.shimano.com

 

[R120]

You shouldn't need to swap the chainring, cranks are independent of it on the Shimano motors

 

[melmark]

Yesterday after my ride I sent emails to Commencal and eThirteen regarding the end cap and spacer(s) that went missing when my crank arm fell off. eThirteen replied and said "Unfortunately Commencal doesn't install the cranks with the correct torque after a recall change of the motor of the bike. But if you can let us know your address, we are happy to send over the parts free of charge under goodwill." I'm sure Commencal will reply soon as well.

Well this seems to be a rather critical issue that Commencal needs to address. I mean this is some serious sh*t that can (already has looks like) cause serious injury. And I need to go get me a torque wrench asap

 

[GCSquared]

Well this seems to be a rather critical issue that Commencal needs to address. I mean this is some serious sh*t that can (already has looks like) cause serious injury. And I need to go get me a torque wrench asap

Commencal just replied and stated that I will need "to tighten the preload cap down to 2-3 nm and then tighten the two pinch bolts on the crank arm. You’ll want to tighten 1 bolt a half turn, and then switch to the other bolt and tighten a half turn. Keep alternating every half turn until you’ve reached 16 nm on each bolt."

 

[VX10]

Hey, anyone happen to come across a serial number or frame number somewhere on the bike? Meta Power Essential here and failed to find one for insurance detail.

 

[ShaneBean]

Commencal just replied and stated that I will need "to tighten the preload cap down to 2-3 nm and then tighten the two pinch bolts on the crank arm. You’ll want to tighten 1 bolt a half turn, and then switch to the other bolt and tighten a half turn. Keep alternating every half turn until you’ve reached 16 nm on each bolt."

This is the same response I got. Noteworthy the e*13 spec says 14 nm on the crank.

 

[Gw0175]

Got my SX Race yesterday... Invisiframed ready with a few additions, big day out tomorrow, can't wait to see how it rides!! ?

 

[JW9]

Hey, anyone happen to come across a serial number or frame number somewhere on the bike? Meta Power Essential here and failed to find one for insurance detail.

There are some stamped numbers in a couple of places I can find:
On the back of the motor mount and inside the chainstay

 

[beneseleve]

Hi guys!
Got my SX yesterday had some issues with DHL because package was opend. Delivery guy told me it can happen. Build everything up nothing was missing or damaged but now i tried to charge the akku outside the bike and an adapter is missing! Do i have to buy it or di

 

[beneseleve]

Part 2

Or did someone took it out?

 

[robbyfritzler]

Commencal just replied and stated that I will need "to tighten the preload cap down to 2-3 nm and then tighten the two pinch bolts on the crank arm. You’ll want to tighten 1 bolt a half turn, and then switch to the other bolt and tighten a half turn. Keep alternating every half turn until you’ve reached 16 nm on each bolt."

just what I came on here for, thanks!

 

[JW9]

Hi guys!
Got my SX yesterday had some issues with DHL because package was opend. Delivery guy told me it can happen. Build everything up nothing was missing or damaged but now i tried to charge the akku outside the bike and an adapter is missing! Do i have to buy it or di

The adapter to charge the battery off the bike is not included, you need to buy it separate.

btw, when i received mine from DHL last week, the box had been opened and then re-sealed with about 100m of DHL packing tape! I think it might be due to a customs check.

 

[ShaneBean]

I mean this is some serious sh*t that can (already has looks like) cause serious injury. And I need to go get me a torque wrench asap

My foot hurts.

 

[pabloantu]

Hi mates! Rear wheel spokes on my 2021 meta essential came completely loose from Commencal

What is the spoke tension for the DT swiss Hybrid 552/ sapim strong 2,3/2,0mm? I'm not able to find this info

Ps: 100kg rider on top of the bike

Thanks!

 

[rb.]

Hi mates! Rear wheel spokes on my 2021 meta essential came completely loose from Commencal

What is the spoke tension for the DT swiss Hybrid 552/ sapim strong 2,3/2,0mm? I'm not able to find this info

Ps: 100kg rider on top of the bike

Thanks!

I don’t think there is a “spec” for spoke tension. Most important thing is to get them even and the wheel true. Park Tool has a wheel builder app on their website that can help you out if you have the proper tools.

 

[Darkyhs]

Just got an email from Commencal related to the cranks. I have translated this so the English might not be the best

"You have just received your Meta Power and we appreciate your confidence! So that you can fully enjoy it, we would like to stress two points that we invite you to check:

Depending on the use, the E13 pedal may require a slightly higher tightening torque than that applied to the assembly. On the production line, they should be tightened to 12 N.m. However, we recommend a tightening torque of 16 N.m., so that you can use the pedal unit safely. Here below we send you some assembly instructions:

To ensure uniform tightening, please perform this operation in four steps:

1. Tighten the screw on the inner side of the frame to 12 N.m.
2. Tighten the screw on the outside of the frame to 12 N.m.
3. Tighten the screw on the inside of the frame again to 16 N.m.
4. Tighten the screw on the outside of the frame again to 16 N.m.

If you do not feel comfortable carrying out the recommended manipulations or do not have the necessary tools, there is no problem, you can go to any specialized shop of your choice and we will reimburse you for the labor costs incurred

In some cases the Shimano V 4.1.1 engine update will bring the system into safe mode, limiting torque to 25 N.m. If you are in this situation please contact us so that we can solve the problem. "

Great news imo

 

[shenchman]

trying out this phone app for battery percentage, garage test works. also will do all the assist settings. haven't tested the top speed deregulation/premium app yet.
same dev also has ST ride app which looks cool, gives you fraction of ride spent in various modes etc. haven't tested yet.
both previewed here:

ST Unlocker

ST Unlocker - unleash the power of your E-Bike motor!

www.stunlocker.com

STUNLOCKER - Apps on Google Play

Unleash the power of your E-bike

play.google.com

‎STUNLOCKER

‎App works with Sh..o E-Bike motors via Bluetooth. Allows: - Get E-bike information (total distance, battery health and etc) - Change assist settings - Change gearing type (mechanical, electrical) and chainrings size - Change light settings - Presets for quick setups of your bike - Other...

apps.apple.com

STRide - Apps on Google Play

Your E-Bike Tracker (for bikes with Shimano motor)

play.google.com

ST Ride App - Tracker/dash/logger for STEPS motors

Update 2021/04/17: App is available at Google Play App is available at AppStore I decided to start developing an App for collecting and displaying information that is available for Shimano STEPS motors: speed/cadence/assist/Di2 data and etc, combined with GPS data and data from other external...

www.emtbforums.com

 

[shenchman]

found a source for the EP8 off-bike battery charging adapter:

SM-BTE80 | SHIMANO BIKE-EU

bike.shimano.com

note for lithium battery longevity it's best not to charge or store in very cold or hot temps aka your garage!

here

SHIMANO STEPS SM-BTE80 Battery Charger Adapter

SHIMANO STEPS SM-BTE80 Battery Charger Adapter BENEFIT Adapter for charging battery (BT-E8035) with charger (EC-E6000/E6002/E8004)

alexscycle.com

note url says BTE60 which doesn't fit, but item pic & label is BTE80

ordered! ¥6,520 JPY = ~$62 USD with shipping

 

[beneseleve]

Just got an email from Commencal related to the cranks. I have translated this so the English might not be the best

"You have just received your Meta Power and we appreciate your confidence! So that you can fully enjoy it, we would like to stress two points that we invite you to check:

Depending on the use, the E13 pedal may require a slightly higher tightening torque than that applied to the assembly. On the production line, they should be tightened to 12 N.m. However, we recommend a tightening torque of 16 N.m., so that you can use the pedal unit safely. Here below we send you some assembly instructions:

To ensure uniform tightening, please perform this operation in four steps:

1. Tighten the screw on the inner side of the frame to 12 N.m.
2. Tighten the screw on the outside of the frame to 12 N.m.
3. Tighten the screw on the inside of the frame again to 16 N.m.
4. Tighten the screw on the outside of the frame again to 16 N.m.

If you do not feel comfortable carrying out the recommended manipulations or do not have the necessary tools, there is no problem, you can go to any specialized shop of your choice and we will reimburse you for the labor costs incurred

In some cases the Shimano V 4.1.1 engine update will bring the system into safe mode, limiting torque to 25 N.m. If you are in this situation please contact us so that we can solve the problem. "

Great news imo

Got the same mail, but how am i supposed to tighten the inner screw at the chainring? My torque wrench cant fit in it doesnt work with an extend either! What kind of tool do you use? Tomorrow is maiden ride and i dont wanna fck up my ankle as @ShaneBean did it! looks painfull dude!
Damn just updated the DU