I've just watched the EMBN video, disappointed that there was no mention of the rattle by them...
Yes the new internal batteries will technical work with the e8000, the restricting factor is if your bike can take the new battery, which is unlikely.The Singletrack video has some good info on elevation and range - also interesting use of the new walk mode!
It does from the video. But still hard to tell what it really sounds like as gopro recordings never sound (to me) like real riding sounds anyway.
Sponsored content, do they (Steve) ever say anything bad? I used to watch it but cant be bothered to sit through it now.
Check from 8:20 on the vid and see what you think - it’s definitely coming from the motor.It does from the video. But still hard to tell what it really sounds like as gopro recordings never sound (to me) like real riding sounds anyway.
The frequency of the rattle seems similar to chainslap chatter.
How quietened were the chain stays on that merida?
Chainslap is just one of the reasons I tend to run far smaller range cassettes than most folk. (smaller sprockets = shorter chain = quieter bike)
Sponsored content, do they (Steve) ever say anything bad? I used to watch it but cant be bothered to sit through it now.
Check from 8:20 on the vid and see what you think - it’s definitely coming from the motor.
It's not just a few existing customers. The entire current customer base, built up since the intro of Shimano motors are potential repeat purchasers. Why piss them off unnecessarily? If sufficiently pissed off they may stop buying ALL Shimano products; there are so many competitors it's easy to do.
Yes the new internal batteries will technical work with the e8000, the restricting factor is if your bike can take the new battery, which is unlikely.The Singletrack video has some good info on elevation and range - also interesting use of the new walk mode!
I got 28 miles and 3000ft before mine died.So not likely for older internal battery bikes as the new 630 wh battery is bigger than the old 504wh battery from what I've read. Bummer.
Still, need to know what kind of vert this system can climb! Levos with the 700wh battery can do 7-8,000k ft which is seeming to be the top standard.
How does that compare to what you have seen on the bosch bikes with 625wh batteries?I got 28 miles and 3000ft before mine died.
draggy DD MaxxGrip tyres though.
I got 28 miles and 3000ft before mine died.
draggy DD MaxxGrip tyres though.
How does that compare to what you have seen on the bosch bikes with 625wh batteries?
^^this x one million. E7000 replacement for an e8000 is not exceptable. Less nm's and less durable. They shouldve shelved 7000 and made some improvemenys to 8000 and made that the defacto mid range motor and warranty replacement for 8000's an under.Comparing Shimano's obsolescence procedures of XTR with the e8000 motor might be the same practice, but the impact is not the same at all. Your old XTR mech breaks, fine replace it with the new one. It will still bolt on to your mech hanger and it will still work with the rest of the bike. You will still get all the benefits of the XTR proposition. You will not be forced to use an inferior product as an alternative to scrapping the bike. And don't forget that even the inferior e7000 motor is many many times the cost of an XTR mech.
That makes sense but shimano are less than forthcoming on the subject.The way I understand the Discontinuation of the E8000
- No more motors will be sold to OEM’s as the EP8 has superseded it.
- E8000 motors will still be available for warranty claims
Happens in many industries when a new model / version of a product is released.
It doesn’t mean it’s obsolete. It’ll still be supported. Just not supplied on new bikes for MY21 and beyond.
Watched the videos again... not too thrilled, kind of disappointed - although I happen to be an E-8000 owner who's perfectly happy with it (not wondering if I could upgrade for the small bump in performance) and not so much riding the EP8 hype train.
So far from all the info I've read/seen here and from other reviews/previews, there's a major failure here - the clunking noise.
WHAT?
The fact that Shimano said they are fully aware of it and said it is a compromise is right. From the videos, it sounds like parts are loose! And saying "well the Bosch makes the same noise" doesn't excuse it - it doesn't matter what flaws other motors have.
If they're discontinuing the E8000 then surely they will have to produce a way to upgrade, if they're keeping "some" for warranty what happens when they run out? If someones E8000 goes pop after that?
I've just got a Decoy and I'm not bothered about changing the motor as it's plenty grin-inducing for me right now but I'm thinking longer term like 18 months down the road, especially as I don't give any of my kit an easy time.
The way I understand the Discontinuation of the E8000
- No more motors will be sold to OEM’s as the EP8 has superseded it.
- E8000 motors will still be available for warranty claims
Happens in many industries when a new model / version of a product is released.
It doesn’t mean it’s obsolete. It’ll still be supported. Just not supplied on new bikes for MY21 and beyond.
Is the EP8 a "factory sealed unit" or can it be serviced ? I.e. can bearings etc be replaced. This would be the biggest leap in faith.
A far more important factor, IMHO than torque levels software support etc.
I'm coming up to the end of the warranty period on my 8000 and hoping nothing happens to it as sounds like they may run out of 8000 units pretty fast and render my bike a write off if Shim won't sell a stand alone EP8 to keep my trusty Ranger alive. an E7000 would feel very different.
Won't be rushing out to buy a bike with the EP8 motor to replace my 8000. If I want more hill climbing (torque) capability I'll replace the 11-42 with 11-50 rear cassette. STUnlocker is way better than the Shim app with ability to feather motor output in each support level. Even change wheel size. No clatter when coasting. Efficient use of battery if using STU. 300g lighter ? Thats less than my water bottle ;-).
Evolution certainly no revolution.
Jules
As on the E8000, the crank axle bearings are not replaceable. Shimano says these are high grade sealed bearings that doesn’t need replacing. They also talk a bit about anti-tuning and anti-tampering. Any attempts to alter or trick the cut-off speed will be stored in the motor. The dealers will see this flag in their software. If this happens, the warranty will be void and they cannot service the motor.
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