ICR Headsets for the SZZS-specific CEF50 build

mike_kelly · Apr 20, 2023

WI. Nice thing about living in midwest

TCFlowClyde · Apr 20, 2023

mike_kelly said:
WI. Nice thing about living in midwest

I went to Michigan State U for grad school. 4 years of cloudy and icy doldrums winter wise. Great rolling hills green for summer mtbing...just too short!

temon10 · Apr 20, 2023

mike_kelly said:
Ya I ordered a set of carbon rims from Asia and they arrived today...and I am not home till sunday

what rims you buy?

mike_kelly · Apr 20, 2023

Midwest is too humid for me, that's why I go to Montana in the summer. The lake effect snow in Michigan would do me in.
@temon10
I took a chance a few years ago on "Superteam" rims. Candy does business on eBay under the name princessbike123.
This will be my fourth set. I am very happy. The rims are finished very well, then true up very good and are very durable. Not quite as light as some carbon rims but I rode one pair with a completely flat rear tire for miles on rocky single track in Arizona and there was not a scratch on the rims. They come in a variety of widths but be aware that the default are 28 hole rims on the eBay auction so you MUST leave her a note that you want 32 hole rims or whatever you want. She puts a very conservative delivery time but mine have always arrived in about 22 days.

29ER MTB Carbon Rims 27/30/35mm Width Mountain Bike Rim 29inch Carbon Fiber Rims | eBay

MTB Bike Carbon Rim 29ER 25mm Depth 27/30/35mm Width Tubeless Mountain Bike Carbon Rims. Size: 29ER. Rim type: Tubeless. Rim width: 27mm/30mm/40mm for your option. Weight: 29ER-27MM width : 400+/-30g(single Rim).

www.ebay.com

I built these wheels for my Rise using princess rims:

M820 Bafang - CEF50 frame (lightweight)

100%👍Looks robust...luv'n it!🤙 i already use it :)

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mike_kelly · Apr 24, 2023

Here is the first manufacturer I have seen with a real 56/66 headset for ICS.

Cable Box Headsets - M-BOX - TOKEN Cycling Products

www.tokenproducts.com

mike_kelly · May 10, 2023

It appears now that Linda has confirmed that the headset they will be using is a GINEYEA T17-1 with ZS56/28/6 top and ZS66/40 bottom. I hope so because ACRO makes a headset for ICR:

acros sport GmbH

acros-components.com

mike_kelly · May 15, 2023

I found this guide from Nukeproof about installing an ICR headset

https://media.chainreactioncycles.com/is/content/ChainReactionCycles/Catalogue/Press%20reviews%20%26%20additional%20content/Nukeproof/How%20to%20replace%20the%20internal%20routed%20cable%20headset%20in%20your%20Nukeproof%20Megawatt.pdf

mike_kelly · May 15, 2023

It looks like Nukeproof offers the ICR headset in ZS56 that we need. It also appears to be made by TOKEN.

https://www.wiggle.com/us/p/nukeproof-neutron-zs56-headset-int-cable-routed-black-option

In the installation instructions it looks like it has 4 very well sealed ports.

mike_kelly · May 16, 2023

I noticed once again that Wiggle/Chainreaction has the ZS66 lower that should be right for the CEF50. It has a lock for the steering which I was ignoring before but it says it is to limit the rotation of the steering in case of a crash so you don't rip your cables out twisting them around the steerer tube. Sounds plausible.

brbr · May 21, 2023

Guys, maybe a stupid question, but what tool are you using to mount this?

mike_kelly · May 21, 2023

brbr said:
Guys, maybe a stupid question, but what tool are you using to mount this?

Standard headset tools

stuff · May 21, 2023

brbr said:
Guys, maybe a stupid question, but what tool are you using to mount this?

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mike_kelly · May 21, 2023

Just make sure it includes discs big enough for this huge headset. Or have your local bike shop do it for you.

mike_kelly · May 21, 2023

Also the nukeproof headset I posted above is a solution for the CEF50 not for the ICE930. You need to ask Jim what the SHIS designator is for the LCE930 headset. It has a straight headtube not tapered.

brbr · May 21, 2023

mike_kelly said:
Also the nukeproof headset I posted above is a solution for the CEF50 not for the ICE930. You need to ask Jim what the SHIS designator is for the LCE930 headset. It has a straight headtube not tapered.

Right! I think I’ll try the one provided by LC, if it seems bad, I’ll go for an aftermarket

mike_kelly · May 21, 2023

brbr said:
Right! I think I’ll try the one provided by LC, if it seems bad, I’ll go for an aftermarket

reasonable plan.

stuff · May 21, 2023

brbr said:
Right! I think I’ll try the one provided by LC, if it seems bad, I’ll go for an aftermarket

Remember to have an extra olive and leaving the brake line a tad longer since you’ll have to cut it when changing the headset.

As an engineer the ICR is the most nonsense thing i’ve seen in a while.

brbr · May 21, 2023

stuff said:
Remember to have an extra olive and leaving the brake line a tad longer since you’ll have to cut it when changing the headset.

As an engineer the ICR is the most nonsense thing i’ve seen in a while.

Yeah… that’s a good point !

temon10 · May 22, 2023

stuff said:
Remember to have an extra olive and leaving the brake line a tad longer since you’ll have to cut it when changing the headset.

As an engineer the ICR is the most nonsense thing i’ve seen in a while.

Agree, MTB not suit with ICR type headset

Kenk3589 · May 22, 2023

Hey guys, do we only need to replace the top part of the headset since its not well sealed?

Kenk3589 · May 22, 2023

mike_kelly said:
I noticed once again that Wiggle/Chainreaction has the ZS66 lower that should be right for the CEF50. It has a lock for the steering which I was ignoring before but it says it is to limit the rotation of the steering in case of a crash so you don't rip your cables out twisting them around the steerer tube. Sounds plausible.

Idk, I'd rather yank the cables honestly.. the force / leverage might instead crack the frame / bar or possibly you.

stuff · May 22, 2023

Kenk3589 said:
Hey guys, do we only need to replace the top part of the headset since its not well sealed?

indeed. Although the lower bearing might not be good quality, if you need to change it it's fairly easy and no need to do anything apart from taking out the fork.

Kenk3589 · May 22, 2023

stuff said:
indeed. Although the lower bearing might not be good quality, if you need to change it it's fairly easy and no need to do anything apart from taking out the fork.

Great, I will be getting the nukeproof headset posted by mike and letting you guys know how it goes!

I finally have my complete build and coming up on a long weekend to hopefully get it done.

mike_kelly · May 22, 2023

Kenk3589 said:
Great, I will be getting the nukeproof headset posted by mike and letting you guys know how it goes!

I finally have my complete build and coming up on a long weekend to hopefully get it done.

Just a reminder that the above comments are about the CEF50 not the Lightcarbon LCE930...

mike_kelly · May 22, 2023

Kenk3589 said:
Idk, I'd rather yank the cables honestly.. the force / leverage might instead crack the frame / bar or possibly you.

The stop is a clamp on the steer. I think it would just give and slip in your scenario.
I think it makes sense to protect the cables.

mike_kelly · Jun 9, 2023

Best headset for CEF50, Nukeproof. Picture by @stuff

Olafmetal · Jun 17, 2023

Millenium ICR Stem

The Sixpack Internal Cable Routing system is the perfect solution if you are aiming for a clean cockpit, a quiet bike and want to minimize the…

www.sixpack-racing.com

Possibly another option.

brbr · Jun 17, 2023

Olafmetal said:
Millenium ICR Stem

The Sixpack Internal Cable Routing system is the perfect solution if you are aiming for a clean cockpit, a quiet bike and want to minimize the…

www.sixpack-racing.com

Possibly another option.

I love the design! Not sure it’s compatible with the lce930 tho. And I bought a stem and handlebar combo, too bad

mike_kelly · Jun 18, 2023

That is just a top cap not the actual headset.

temon10 · Jul 29, 2023

RITCHEY Upper Headset Logic-E 1,5" ZS56/28,6, 34,50 €

RITCHEY headset upper part Logic-E 1 5" ZS56/28 6 Tom Ritchey brought Ritchey's legacy of legendary cycling products to the world of e-bikes and electronic

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Is this upper headset compatible with CEF50? @mike_kelly @TCFlowClyde

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