commencal 2021

[melmark]

First longer ride today. A beast on the downhills. Just point and shoot. Super stable and planted.May take a while to get the ultimate shock and fork settings with the 350,000,000 possible combinations with Fox.

A definite improvement over the 2019 Race 29 meta power

Rode right next to a Levo today and I'd say the Levo is quieter still, but the EP8 pretty darn silent. Rattle did not bother me one bit.

 

[ShaneBean]

First ride today, bike is amazing. This is my first ebike and the distance covered and number of climbs I did was simply astonishing!
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The left hand crank arm bolt seems to have fallen off which is annoying, clearly not done up tight by the factory.

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Please can someone with the same bike take a picture of their left hand crank arm so I can see what the bolt should look like, cheers!

Same thing happened to me, except my crank arm fell off while I was in the air off a jump. My ankle is f ck d.

 

[melmark]

First ride today and was pleasantly surprised by everything. He is a little ride review, and the motor efficiency was amazing riding at normal bike speeds. My decoy with 540wh and e8000 would not have been able to do this full ride unless I REALLY conserved, and I still had 40% left on the Meta!

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6300 ft in ECO means you were doing some work man! Agree things feel spot on to me as well.

 

[rb.]

6300 ft in ECO means you were doing some work man! Agree things feel spot on to me as well.

Yes, plus I weigh just under 160lbs so being fairly light helps. Legs were feeling it. If I had more time I was going to up the power to Trail mode. All stock settings, haven’t played around with the app at all yet.

 

[shenchman]

loctite!

 

[melmark]

Same thing happened to me, except my crank arm fell off while I was in the air off a jump. My ankle is f ck d.

Wow that sucks. Maybe best if we all check it.

 

[melmark]

Crank bolts were tight but the cap was about to fall off. Fixed it.

 

[Dirtysouth]

Is anyone else getting any creaking on the Zeb fork?

 

[melmark]

magnet ziptied to crank arm didn't last long, if you try the same I suggest bringing the original sensor fixing bolt with you on your ride + zipties + ziptie cutter so you can revert back to stock & have motor drive.

here's version 2: rare earth magnet with countersunk hole + M3 bugle head machine screw, threads tapped into crank arm with an M3 tap.

magnet:

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Awesome work. Too bad we cant just hack the software to raise the limit.

 

[Vertas]

Man seeing you boys getting your bikes is awesome!
Can't wait to receive my Power SX Signature hopefully in February ?

 

[ShaneBean]

About my crank arm just falling off mid jump. Get some loctite on your crank arm locking cap. Talked to commencal today and apparently they don't have any extra crank arms or caps, or any small parts really.

 

[robat]

About my crank arm just falling off mid jump. Get some loctite on your crank arm locking cap. Talked to commencal today and apparently they don't have any extra crank arms or caps, or any small parts really.

Afaik (from the E8000) the cap is just to lightly pressurise the crankarm (just like a stemcap) before you secure the arm with the 2 hex screws (where it's super important to tighten them evenly).

 

[R120]

About my crank arm just falling off mid jump. Get some loctite on your crank arm locking cap. Talked to commencal today and apparently they don't have any extra crank arms or caps, or any small parts really.

Any issues with shimano 8000 motors throwing cranks !

G’day all anyone’s shimano 8000 motors having issues with cranks not staying on ! After getting my warranty replacement motor it’s throwing the crank arms of ! I’ve been through 3 lefties & one right now ... it’s becoming a serious issue as I can not commit to anything as I feel as though my...

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[melmark]

Any issues with shimano 8000 motors throwing cranks !

G’day all anyone’s shimano 8000 motors having issues with cranks not staying on ! After getting my warranty replacement motor it’s throwing the crank arms of ! I’ve been through 3 lefties & one right now ... it’s becoming a serious issue as I can not commit to anything as I feel as though my...

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So to be clear, the caps have little if anything to do with actually holding the cranks on correct? It the hex bolts job to do that.

 

[melmark]

For those with Signature edition (the first ones that is), this is the latest paint color code from Commencal:

Pearl White/Electroplate Lagoon YS-775/YS-2280-1

However this is likely and internal paint code as I asked a color matching company about it and there is no universal cross reference apparently. If anyone has any leads let me know!

 

[R120]

So to be clear, the caps have little if anything to do with actually holding the cranks on correct? It the hex bolts job to do that.

Yes and know, simply put the alloy caps done up tight will probably stop you having an o shit moment, but they are not how the cranks are secured.

 

[ShaneBean]

So to be clear, the caps have little if anything to do with actually holding the cranks on correct? It the hex bolts job to do that.

Nahh the hex bolts tighten the crank onto the spline, this prevents the crank arm from wearing out the splines on the crank arm and shafts. The caps keep the arm from sliding off. Note everyone who mentions the crank falling off mentions the cap went first. That thread turns into a pissing contest on page two lmao.

 

[robat]

The crankarm will fall off if the 2 hex bolts are not tighten up evenly. The plug on the spindle will not hold the crank, since it's just a piece of plastic. There are also some alloy caps you can buy, maybe they will hold the arm a little longer...
But just tight the bolts properly and you won't have any trouble.

 

[R120]

First thing I would do on any new bike, no matter where you got it from but especially with consumer direct, is that all the bolts are done up properly. Amazing the amount of "new" bikes where they aren't.

 

[robat]

First hing I would do on any new bike, no matter where you got it form but especially with consumer direct, is that all the bolts are done up properly. Amazing the amount fo "new" bikes where they aren't.

Amen ?
Every bike I owned so far had some of the following issues then it was new:
- wrong torque values on bolts
- poor derailleur setup
- self loosening rear axles
- self loosening derailleurs
- cable routing done by a blind person (would be the only excuse)
- almost no (or far to extensive) lubrication inside the suspension

So I would definitely recommend to check the bike completely, before you ride it in some serious terrain.

 

[ShaneBean]

The crankarm will fall off if the 2 hex bolts are not tighten up evenly. The plug on the spindle will not hold the crank, since it's just a piece of plastic. There are also some alloy caps you can buy, maybe they will hold the arm a little longer...
But just tight the bolts properly and you won't have any trouble.

My bike comes with alu caps, even with retightening the hex bolts It's been an issue with shimano ebikes. Still coming off, overall concensus from what I've read is get an alu cap if you have plastic caps. Loctite the two hex bolts and the threaded alu cap.

Amen ?
Every bike I owned so far had some of the following issues then it was new:
- wrong torque values on bolts
- poor derailleur setup
- self loosening rear axles
- self loosening derailleurs
- cable routing done by a blind person (would be the only excuse)
- almost no (or far to extensive) lubrication inside the suspension

So I would definitely recommend to check the bike completely, before you ride it in some serious terrain.

Yup, according to the manuals we should ensure everybody on our entire bike is torqued to spec.

 

[shenchman]

magnet ziptied to crank arm didn't last long, if you try the same I suggest bringing the original sensor fixing bolt with you on your ride + zipties + ziptie cutter so you can revert back to stock & have motor drive.

here's version 2: rare earth magnet with countersunk hole + M3 bugle head machine screw, threads tapped into crank arm with an M3 tap.

magnet:

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update: DO NOT DO THIS! as predicted the software senses something is wrong & shuts it down, happened to me after about 1 hour today, error code E050. I swapped it back to normal & rebooting didn't clear the error, luckily after about 10 minutes of very painful climbing it self-cleared & all was good again.

 

[GCSquared]

I had my first ride today. 24 miles and 4900 ft. I used a mix of eco and trail, but I depleted the battery and had to climb out the last 1.5 miles, but that part wasn't too steep. It smashes through stuff better than my Ripmo, but of course it isn't as nimble. It's my first ebike and I loved it, but my non-drive crank arm fell off towards the end of the ride. I read this forum before my ride, so I tightened the crank arm bolts and the end caps before the ride, but it still fell off. Will someone please tell me how many spacers go on the non-drive side. I'll need to get a new end cap as well.

Thanks

 

[robat]

When you lock the crankarm hex bolts, make shure that you don't just turn one until it reaches the right torque and then the other. Turn one until you feel some resistance, than the other.
Than apply recommended torque to the first, than second.
Repeat last step at least 2-3 times, since when you tighten one, it will slightly loosen the other.
I don't had to use additional loctite on my E8000, but it's not a bad idea.


And for all the guys new to Shimano motors. I recommend avoiding boost (and at best trail) mode, if your battery is at 2/5. The peak power in boost mode can drain the battery straight from 2/5 to zero. Happened to me a few times and to a lot of people I know. Again only E8000 knowledge.

 

[robat]

Yup, according to the manuals we should ensure everybody on our entire bike is torqued to spec.

But this situation still su**s.
You buy a bike with the price tag of a small car and can't be shure, that it doesn't fall apart on your first ride.
Imagine buying a new car, where your door falls off after the 10th time you open it.
No one would tolerate that ...

 

[Darkyhs]

But this situation still su**s.
You buy a bike with the price tag of a small car and can't be sure, that it doesn't fall apart on your first ride.
Imagine buying a new car, where your door falls off after the 10th time you open it.
No one would tolerate that ...

When you get a car you pick it up from the dealer. If you would buy a car direct sales with discounts of a direct sales brand. I would imagine that you would double-check the doors and wheels if they are all tightened correctly . There is a reason I guess that we do not buy cars online

(The first pic of the bike build-up with the different discs in 220, Magura. I will post some pics when the bike is complete)

However, personally, my brand new Teams edition is now at my LBS to do some changes and check all parts. I only changed the discs and made the wheels tubeless. They will change the brakes, handlebar, and stem and check if all oils are on the correct level, and do the torque

 

[robat]

When you get a car you pick it up from the dealer. If you would buy a car direct sales with discounts of a direct sales brand. I would imagine that you would double-check the doors and wheels if they are all tightened correctly . There is a reason I guess that we do not buy cars online

I would disagree to that statement. Tesla (e.g.) is almost direct sale. And no, i would not check any part on it, if I would buy one new.

 

[yorkshire89]

I would disagree to that statement. Tesla (e.g.) is almost direct sale. And no, i would not check any part on it, if I would buy one new.

You probably should....

'Consumer Reports puts Tesla in second-to-last place for most reliable new cars.'

?

 

[Mcharza]

But this situation still su**s.
You buy a bike with the price tag of a small car and can't be shure, that it doesn't fall apart on your first ride.
Imagine buying a new car, where your door falls off after the 10th time you open it.
No one would tolerate that ...

Yes, these instructions are intended to help you.
If any part cheats or comes off while you are riding your bike, you can injure yourself badly.
So don’t trust that someone else has assembled the bike, but first check that everything is OK

 

[robat]

I'm aware of

You probably should....

'Consumer Reports puts Tesla in second-to-last place for most reliable new cars.'
?

Don't trust a statistic you haven't rigged yourself ??