Bafang M500 V2 vs Bosch Gen 4

[markus datgloi]

Didn't the EMBN show have a dyno they were building...

See the first 6+ minuts. Maybe I missed it but any follow-up with a real test + results with 1 or more E-mtb's ?

 

[PadreParada]

Why would anyone run the m500 instead of the m600? M600 utterly destroys Bosch Gen 4. I have both right now and alternate between the two. My fastest Strava times are from m600. The Bosch is much smoother but I'm playing with the bafang best tool now to fix that. For raw power m600. For smoothest most natural assist Bosch.

I also have the M600. Could you please explain how may I smooth it with the Besst tool?

 

[doctorrevenge]

I asked Bafang for new software for my m500 36V 15A v7.5 and get a Update 36V 17A v7.7
Now it is stronger then my wifes cx4. Perfekt! I love bafang with my old bbs01 on 18A i have no Problems over 4 year! Maybe a Update for 48V m500 is ready?! Bafang write me that i can buy a m600 and get a 36V 25A firmware for it when the new Software is not strong enough for me, but it is strong enough!!!

 

[Zimmerframe]

I asked Bafang for new software for my m500 36V 15A v7.5 and get a Update 36V 17A v7.7
Now it is stronger then my wifes cx4. Perfekt! I love bafang with my old bbs01 on 18A i have no Problems over 4 year! Maybe a Update for 48V m500 is ready?! Bafang write me that i can buy a m600 and get a 36V 25A firmware for it when the new Software is not strong enough for me, but it is strong enough!!!

Can you document for others how you did this update as most people seem to be struggling to get the necessary hardware and software from Bafang.

And also how you contacted Bafang and again, most people have been unable to just buy the M500 or M600 on it's own.

 

[doctorrevenge]

I buy a besst Tool at Luna. The Bafang Team wanted my SN from the Motor and send me an update… Flashing with besst Tool in 1min maybe someone Can make a program to change the current power manualy in firmware files… like the old software for bbs motors.

 

[doctorrevenge]

Sorry for my english

 

[Kyokushin]

besst tool is not automatically downloading the latest firmware? You need to contact bafang for it?
Can anyone ask bafang for stronger firmware for 48V version?

 

[doctorrevenge]

No automatic Download... i tested it...

 

[patdam]

No automatic Download... i tested it...

please could you communicate the revision of your new software

 

[doctorrevenge]

 

[patdam]

View attachment 62620

thank you, we have the same hardware but not the same soft. mine is

CRX10NC4810I142015.5

normal 48V 18A

where we can found the soft update ?

 

[Kyokushin]

How you was able to contact Bafang?
I am trying to write them but no answer, @doctorrevenge could you ask them for latest strong F/W for M500 in 48V version? I am sure few people form here could be also interested in.

 

[Kyokushin]

thank you, we have the same hardware but not the same soft. mine is

CRX10NC4818i132046.6

normal 48V 18A

where we can found the soft update ?

Could you share this 48V 18A f/w for M500?

 

[patdam]

How you was able to contact Bafang?
I am trying to write them but no answer, @doctorrevenge could you ask them for latest strong F/W for M500 in 48V version? I am sure few people form here could be also interested in.

I think you are in the best place (poland) to collect the later data, bafang eu center is located in poland

Could you share this 48V 18A f/w for M500?

I do not how ? it is installed on my controller and the only files found to update the software (endlessphere) are for M600

 

[Kyokushin]

Probably i will be first and last person with M500 in Poland
I though you have this f/w in files, this 48/18 you have is the 'stock' f/w ? When you bought a bike? I am curious because mine is in shipping and i am curious how fresh f/w i will have.

48V x 18A seems to give 864W in peak, so quite good.

 

[doctorrevenge]

18Ax48V must be a m600 not a m500

 

[Kyokushin]

@patdam have you M500 or M600?

 

[patdam]

Probably i will be first and last person with M500 in Poland
I though you have this f/w in files, this 48/18 you have is the 'stock' f/w ? When you bought a bike? I am curious because mine is in shipping and i am curious how fresh f/w i will have.

48V x 18A seems to give 864W in peak, so quite good.

Yes it that is installed on my controller (currently in poland for repair). i have not found official link to recover soft update and bafang do not communicate (officialy) with the customer. may be it a question to ask to the supplier (dengfu). They don't answerd at begining when i have request help to solve my failure, but it seem they have evoluate now and they accept to support her customer and perform interface with bafang. but it is very complicate

 

[patdam]

18Ax48V must be a m600 not a m500

no the M500 purchase to dengfu are in 48V

 

[doctorrevenge]

Ah... ok... but no legal 250W Europe Version

 

[Kyokushin]

Guys, @patdam and @doctorrevenge it seems you have some contact with bafang/dengfu. Could you ask them for 48V f/w for M500?
If they dont give a response then nothing will happen, but if yes, few people here will be more than happy

@doctorrevenge the 48/18 is fully legal, its peak power, but M500 is rated as 250W in "nominal". Peak and nominal are different story, you may have 250W in nominal and 860W in peak and its legit.

 

[patdam]

@patdam have you M500 or M600?

M500 and i wait an purchased M600. not to have more power. but i think they are most reliable than M500

Ah... ok... but no legal 250W Europe Version

more or less legal, they are limited to 25 km/h max (and not possible to modified) but it have a throttle and effectively not eu rule compatible. but if you use the throttle only for walk mode you are fully in line with rule spirit

 

[doctorrevenge]

Peters M500 See only about 500W peak with 48V. I think the m500 for dengfu are stronger?!?! Maybe different Hardware?

 

[patdam]

Guys, @patdam and @doctorrevenge it seems you have some contact with bafang/dengfu. Could you ask them for 48V f/w for M500?
If they dont give a response then nothing will happen, but if yes, few people here will be more than happy

@doctorrevenge the 48/18 is fully legal, its peak power, but M500 is rated as 250W in "nominal". Peak and nominal are different story, you may have 250W in nominal and 860W in peak and its legit.

you know i'm a lot tired to fight with dengfu and bafang, i wait my repaired controller return or to reciving the additional motor purchased in spare and i hope to never more needs to their request something

 

[patdam]

Peters M500 See only about 500W peak with 48V. I think the m500 for dengfu are stronger?!?! Maybe different Hardware? [email protected] is the contact... nice contact.

It is not in my (long) list of contact, may be the good one ? because with the others it is a nightmare

 

[Kyokushin]

It is not in my (long) list of contact, may be the good one ? because with the others it is a nightmare

Could you share some contacts (here or PW)? I will try to reach them.

 

[Seqlat]

Probably i will be first and last person with M500 in Poland
I though you have this f/w in files, this 48/18 you have is the 'stock' f/w ? When you bought a bike? I am curious because mine is in shipping and i am curious how fresh f/w i will have.

48V x 18A seems to give 864W in peak, so quite good.

Maybe the first, but not the last ???
Probably, because I have been planning more for the M600 for over a month now. When did you order your frame from Dengfu and where is it now? Melody told me that the shipment will take a maximum of 1.5 months to Poland, but I read here that some ordered a frame in January and received it in April

Try to contact the factory in Wrocław. I wrote to them and got a reply quickly. I asked if I can buy an engine from them. They replied that they would start production at the end of the year and only wholesale.

 

[Kyokushin]

I have no Dengfu frame - i have ordered different bike with M500 - Eshion (great contact and very helpful manufacturer) with alu frame.
Eshion Sport E-bike Tda30l,250w/500w Mid Motor Electric Bike With Hidden Battery - Buy E-mtb,Fast Electric Bicycle,Electric Bike With Hidden Battery Product on Alibaba.com - M500 (for eu compliant) instead of M600.

@Seqlat Have you contact to Polish Bafang factory?

 

[Seqlat]

I have no Dengfu frame - i have ordered different bike with M500 - Eshion (great contact and very helpful manufacturer) with alu frame.
Eshion Sport E-bike Tda30l,250w/500w Mid Motor Electric Bike With Hidden Battery - Buy E-mtb,Fast Electric Bicycle,Electric Bike With Hidden Battery Product on Alibaba.com - M500 (for eu compliant) instead of M600.

@Seqlat Have you contact to Polish Bafang factory?

Tak/Yes

 

[Kyokushin]

Tak/Yes

Could you share a contact or ask for latest m500 48V f/w?