Strive:ON problems

[Mario Antony]

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regarding the batteries, I have already the 3rd pair of latches on them because even if you get the version 2, at a certain point they have play, I also have a 3d printed part in this latches that are reinforces the construction... also I´m using cable straps at the bottom latch holder to have a tighter fit of the batteries in general.
The other thing could be that maybe the batteries connector itself is worn out... I would say, its not a warranty thing but I´ll check on this too...
thanks again, will do some more research here but maybe someone who reworked the upper connector with locktide can remember if the connector had someplay in the construction itself

regarding the light, yeah... its getting orange and switches off... i can switch it back on without issues

I bet on the connector coming loose again

Yes the connector has some play (small play!) and it's not firmly connected to the upper bracket.

I would put hands on the bike and start removing the upper bracket and using Strong Threadlock + torque all bolts

 

[RJUK]

no play at all and still on the first bushings, I´m really surprised its like this
I´ve switched RS because i already blew up many X2... sometimes 3-4 services a year, cracks in the housing, so I switched straight to a RS super Deluxe and as RS released the Vivid Coil this was the next step... coil is feeling Incredible good on this bike.
fork is more or less personal preference... I´m running the ZEB without any tokes but with a trutune and this together with the coil is a completely other level
I was already at a bosch service centre because I had one faulty battery which was replaced on warranty but they said more or less its a bit of design thing from Canyon but I will not really agree on this, because it didnt happend the first months

Nice! Funny enough, I'm running my Zeb the exact same way as you! No tokens and TruTune! I also have a TruTune in my Fox 38.

I've not blown up the X2 yet, but I've done a fraction of the miles you've done and I'm not the most aggressive or heavy rider. I like the look of the Vivid though.

I notice you're still running the XT drivetrain. Are you still running the XT brakes also?

 

[whitymon]

Vivid is definitely very very good, X2 is to me very bad, float X in comparison is gold.

I also added recently the TruTune, still hard to figure out if it is awesome or just better than token.

 

[Blex]

Nice! Funny enough, I'm running my Zeb the exact same way as you! No tokens and TruTune! I also have a TruTune in my Fox 38.

I've not blown up the X2 yet, but I've done a fraction of the miles you've done and I'm not the most aggressive or heavy rider. I like the look of the Vivid though.

I notice you're still running the XT drivetrain. Are you still running the XT brakes also?

yeah, still on XT drive train and breaks... just moved to bigger and thicker disks in front and rear... breaks are working great for me even if i´m on the heavier side... around 100kg ready to bike
good thing about XT / Shimano is, it´s relativity cheap and durable... I´m already at my 2nd cassette, 5th chain and 4th derailleur (but i broke 2 during biking )
as said, I really love this bike, it take hits well and handles awesome...
not sure if its allowed here but added just a video of the bike that I have made few month back with clips from the year so far (I´ll remove it when its against the rules )

 

[RJUK]

yeah, still on XT drive train and breaks... just moved to bigger and thicker disks in front and rear... breaks are working great for me even if i´m on the heavier side... around 100kg ready to bike
good thing about XT / Shimano is, it´s relativity cheap and durable... I´m already at my 2nd cassette, 5th chain and 4th derailleur (but i broke 2 during biking )
as said, I really love this bike, it take hits well and handles awesome...
not sure if its allowed here but added just a video of the bike that I have made few month back with clips from the year so far (I´ll remove it when its against the rules )

RIDER! DANKE!

Great vid. And nice ink, too. Gotta love a bit of Japanese traditional.

 

[Mario Antony]

yeah, still on XT drive train and breaks... just moved to bigger and thicker disks in front and rear... breaks are working great for me even if i´m on the heavier side... around 100kg ready to bike
good thing about XT / Shimano is, it´s relativity cheap and durable... I´m already at my 2nd cassette, 5th chain and 4th derailleur (but i broke 2 during biking )
as said, I really love this bike, it take hits well and handles awesome...
not sure if its allowed here but added just a video of the bike that I have made few month back with clips from the year so far (I´ll remove it when its against the rules )

Next time I ride my Stive, I'll stick with Turbo Mode, to ride DH as fast as you ehehehe

Nice vid! Thanks for sharing!

Cheers

 

[RJUK]

Next time I ride my Stive, I'll stick with Turbo Mode, to ride DH as fast as you ehehehe

Nice vid! Thanks for sharing!

Cheers

Agreed, the man doesn't hang about!

 

[Blex]

hahaha, thanks guys... regarding the turbo mode...
actually my "red" mode is EMTB with everything maxed BECAUSE you have a longer overboost as in turbo (not sure why bosch did this but yeah... they even say EMTB mode have a longer overboost but i was surprised turbo hasnt the same one during my tests... e.g. you will see that at normal speed a pedal kick will follow with at least one more spin from the drive unit... during downhill you will also notice that in compression where you have the normal pedal kickback, the drive unit gives you more pushs)

my purple is auto, this is a good one for uphills

Riding modes: individually adapted to you

Always optimally supported: the riding modes for eBikes with Bosch drive unit are precisely tailored to you and your eBike.

www.bosch-ebike.com

 

[Blex]

Coming back to my power cuts… Connector screws are still tight and no movement… cables looking okay from what I can see in this side of the connection… only thing I have notice is very visible wear of the connectors… you can also feel it when moving over them… not sure if this can lead to this but my 1 year old battery has more power cuts than my new replaced one… the pins inside the batteries have clearly a difference in space…

old battery, connector is barely visible

new battery, connector is good visible

 

[RJUK]

Good chance that's probably it, I reckon.

I wonder if replacing the bike side of the connector would fix it?

 

[Mikerb]

Coming back to my power cuts… Connector screws are still tight and no movement… cables looking okay from what I can see in this side of the connection… only thing I have notice is very visible wear of the connectors… you can also feel it when moving over them… not sure if this can lead to this but my 1 year old battery has more power cuts than my new replaced one… the pins inside the batteries have clearly a difference in space… View attachment 150303
old battery, connector is barely visible
View attachment 150307
new battery, connector is good visible
View attachment 150308

not sure the materials make up of the connector pins but looks like they are/were copper with a harder surface material. That surface material has worn away probably due to arcing. It needs to be replaced because it will not provide a secure connection to the female battery connectors.

 

[Blex]

not sure the materials make up of the connector pins but looks like they are/were copper with a harder surface material. That surface material has worn away probably due to arcing. It needs to be replaced because it will not provide a secure connection to the female battery connectors.

Thanks!
Anyone has an idea if we can order this as a sparepart somewhere?
I’m with a Boschshop on Monday anyway but was wondering if I can order this part and replace it by myself. Googled a bit but can’t really find it.

Edit:
I guess it’s this one

Bosch 2-Fach Akku-Adapter Smart System

Über den Bosch Akku-Adapter 2 (BAD2) wird der Akku an Ihrem E-Bike angeschlossen. Der Adapter verfügt dafür über zwei…

www.elektrofahrrad24.de

 

[Mario Antony]

Thanks!
Anyone has an idea if we can order this as a sparepart somewhere?
I’m with a Boschshop on Monday anyway but was wondering if I can order this part and replace it by myself. Googled a bit but can’t really find it.

Edit:
I guess it’s this one

Bosch 2-Fach Akku-Adapter Smart System

Über den Bosch Akku-Adapter 2 (BAD2) wird der Akku an Ihrem E-Bike angeschlossen. Der Adapter verfügt dafür über zwei…

www.elektrofahrrad24.de

Yeah! You can buy it.

But have you disassemble it from the bracket?
There are 6 bolts in total, and you need to disassemble the entire bracket.

Then torque them (no need for torque wrench. Just use force, and your judgement)

Clean everything (battery side and plug at the bracket).

If you have wear, then the bracket and battery came loose and with every ride, it just wear...

Just dissassemble the entire unit
Clean everything up
Apply dielectric grease
Torque using locktite
Try both batteries

(Check lower latch for any wear or breakage).

Cheers man!

 

[Blex]

Yeah! You can buy it.

But have you disassemble it from the bracket?
There are 6 bolts in total, and you need to disassemble the entire bracket.

Then torque them (no need for torque wrench. Just use force, and your judgement)

Clean everything (battery side and plug at the bracket).

If you have wear, then the bracket and battery came loose and with every ride, it just wear...

Just dissassemble the entire unit
Clean everything up
Apply dielectric grease
Torque using locktite
Try both batteries

(Check lower latch for any wear or breakage).

Cheers man!

Thanks!
Ordered the part and will give feedback once I have done some riding

 

[Mario Antony]

Thanks!
Ordered the part and will give feedback once I have done some riding

The part as some kind of clip, and it might show some wear...


Just added the photos from @Tieff

It would be great to have some feedback.
It might help others in the future

 

[Mikerb]

Putting dialectric grease on the actual terminal pins is counterproductive. By all means carefully apply a little BETWEEN the pins...although that should not be necessary unless the connector gets water ingress. The mating between male and female connectors should be clean and thats all. The connector design and materials used are designed to provide a firm connection and they dont need any other additives. No male female connection is going to survive long if the connection is not secure and movement free...........it is battery movement that has created the OPs issue. If he has now fixed the movement problem there is no reason for any replacement connector to similarly fail.

 

[Tieff]

Putting dialectric grease on the actual terminal pins is counterproductive. By all means carefully apply a little BETWEEN the pins...although that should not be necessary unless the connector gets water ingress. The mating between male and female connectors should be clean and thats all. The connector design and materials used are designed to provide a firm connection and they dont need any other additives. No male female connection is going to survive long if the connection is not secure and movement free...........it is battery movement that has created the OPs issue. If he has now fixed the movement problem there is no reason for any replacement connector to similarly fail.

Many thanks to @Mikerb
What you say is correct for dielectric greases. However, the Liqui Moly terminal grease that I use is not dielectric, according to the description: "Prevents leakage currents and reduces contact resistance. Especially for battery terminals and connections as well as plug connections in vehicle electronics."

It can therefore also be applied to the connections without having any negative influences on the connections (e.g. increasing the contact resistance). This is intended to protect the contact point from moisture in order to reduce oxidation or corrosion of the contact surfaces. Even with a very firm connection, undesirable contact resistance can arise over time without terminal grease due to corrosion.
I did this because I occasionally found condensation in the area of the top battery connector after removing the battery, so it is purely a safety measure. So far I've had excellent experiences with it. Now comes the first winter test and we'll see what happens...

 

[Mikerb]

Many thanks to @Mikerb
What you say is correct for dielectric greases. However, the Liqui Moly terminal grease that I use is not dielectric, according to the description: "Prevents leakage currents and reduces contact resistance. Especially for battery terminals and connections as well as plug connections in vehicle electronics."
View attachment 150456
It can therefore also be applied to the connections without having any negative influences on the connections (e.g. increasing the contact resistance). This is intended to protect the contact point from moisture in order to reduce oxidation or corrosion of the contact surfaces. Even with a very firm connection, undesirable contact resistance can arise over time without terminal grease due to corrosion.
I did this because I occasionally found condensation in the area of the top battery connector after removing the battery, so it is purely a safety measure. So far I've had excellent experiences with it. Now comes the first winter test and we'll see what happens...

I agree about terminal wear with repeated connection/disconnection...............which is why my battery stays in the bike and only removed to check once a year!! For computer connections to an international standard there used to be specifications for the maximum number of connection and disconnections......not sure those specs are still available but even a standard domestic 13 amp 3 pin plug and socket wears out over time ( UK spec)......quicker if it is used for high wattage devices like a kettle or iron. Not heard of the grease you are using..........personally I just use contact cleaner once or maybe twice a year and my bikes have a fully enclosed downtube fixing ( removed from the bottom) and provided the cable grommets on the top or down tube are sealed with grease, no moisture gets in there.

 

[Blex]

Hey folks,
Just replaced the connector itself today, easy task, remove the connector unit as described in the other post for the power cuts… no big deal to remove the 2 cables by pressing the top, its like a small switch and after that, replace the part itself.
Unfortunately I can’t ride the next few days to test if it fixed my issue but by comparing the parts itself side by side, the differnce is hugh, it should be better for sure

 

[robbydobs]

fwiw, I had some connection issues but put a small amount of conductive grease on the terminals (different to non conducting dielectric grease) as a quick fix around 6 months ago and it's been fine since.

I used this stuff

Maybe it will reduce arcing and wear??
edit - not sure if amazon link worked but it's this

"846 – Carbon Conductive Grease"​

 

[RJUK]

Bosch's own battery care instructions advise cleaning the terminals occasionally and giving them a coat of "technical Vaseline"...

 

[whitymon]

Care to explain why for washing they picked a woman

 

[RJUK]

Care to explain why for washing they picked a woman

Did you just assume *their* gender?! 🫣

 

[whitymon]

What a world ...

 

[Blex]

quick update on my connector issue...
I went for a ride yesterday and all seems working again, no power cut with the battery that had many the ride before I replaced the connector...
Anyway, the bike switched off once with the other (new) battery but i didnt checked the error in the app... because I was following a mate and just restartet the bike... this just happened once in 3 hours enduro ride... seems its somehow fixed

 

[Mario Antony]

quick update on my connector issue...
I went for a ride yesterday and all seems working again, no power cut with the battery that had many the ride before I replaced the connector...
Anyway, the bike switched off once with the other (new) battery but i didnt checked the error in the app... because I was following a mate and just restartet the bike... this just happened once in 3 hours enduro ride... seems its somehow fixed

Fixed = no cutouts

After closing the battery latch, can you move battery side to side, up and down?

 

[Blex]

Fixed = no cutouts

After closing the battery latch, can you move battery side to side, up and down?

That is all tight with no movement… next time, if it happen again, I’ll check straight the app… had some g sensor and motor errors when a Bosch store checked the logs, so maybe there is another issue as well

 

[Blex]

quick update, I had 4 rides after the connector replacement with several battery swaps... around 7-8hours riding and no issues anymore.
Happy with the outcome