Reign E+ 2022

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Can you fit a 29” in the rear? Else it was design around the 27,5.

what is a “normal” BB height? Rail as an example?

Comparative bikes with same travel. Here’s few I just checked, they’ll be some variations with other bikes, but these are a good 20mm higher than the Reign in High:

Yeti 160E: 350mm
Kenevo SL: 350mm
Nukeproof Megawatt: 350mm
Kellys Theos: 355mm

non eeb: Specialized Enduro 355mm

Rail I think is 341mm but has 10mm less rear travel.

Generally, at 30% sag on a longer travel ebike you’re BB height is lower than that of a shorter travel bike at the same sag point, relatively speaking.

So, if 2 different bikes have the exact same BB height, but one is a 160mm rear travel and one is a 140mm rear travel, at 30% sag on both bikes, the 160mm will have slightly lower (roughly 6mm lower) BB height when sagged at 30% rider weight.

 

[Implor]

Comparative bikes with same travel. Here’s few I just checked, they’ll be some variations with other bikes, but these are a good 20mm higher than the Reign in High:

Yeti 160E: 350mm
Kenevo SL: 350mm
Nukeproof Megawatt: 350mm
Kellys Theos: 355mm

non eeb: Specialized Enduro 355mm

Rail I think is 341mm but has 10mm less rear travel.

When at 30% sag on a longer travel ebike you’re BB height is lower than that of a shorter travel bike at the same sag point.

So, if 2 different bikes have the exact same BB height, but one is a 160mm rear travel and one is a 140mm rear travel, at 30% sag on both bikes, the 160mm will have slightly lower BB height when sagged at rider weight.

Low bb explains the planted feel. Have you checked the crank arm length for E+? Smaller size has 160 and bigger 165mm. Just so don’t have 170mm due to component shortage.

tire size will also affect a bit. Pretty big difference between 2,4 DHR and 2,6 DHR.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Low bb explains the planted feel. Have you checked the crank arm length for E+? Smaller size has 160 and bigger 165mm. Just so don’t have 170mm due to component shortage.

tire size will also affect a bit. Pretty big difference between 2,4 DHR and 2,6 DHR.

Yeah I’ll check. I’ve not actually changed the rear to a DHR2- still running everything stock on the bike.

 

[Dale_Calgary]

Only 125mm dropper on my medium frame. Specs say 150mm. Got a one up 185mm on order so I don’t care but other ppl will be mad.
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Giant Canada site has 125mm spec for medium. Giant Contact Switch, dropper, 30.9mm (S:100, M: 125, L:150m XL:170)

I did get a 150 mm PNW loam in mine with plenty of room, not so sure about a 185 though.

 

[Implor]

Giant Canada site has 125mm spec for medium. Giant Contact Switch, dropper, 30.9mm (S:100, M: 125, L:150m XL:170)

I did get a 150 mm PNW loam in mine with plenty of room, not so sure about a 185 though.

you can adjust the 185 down to 165 internally. I checked and it should work fin (I have one on my other bike).


Giant Swedish site

• Sadelstolpe
  Giant Contact Switch, dropper, 30,9mm (S:125, M: 150, L/XL:170)

 

[jbv]

i would never run this bike in the low setting, but would consider changing the air spring to 180. unfortunately its prohibitively expensive on the 38.

 

[jeanmarc]

Comparative bikes with same travel. Here’s few I just checked, they’ll be some variations with other bikes, but these are a good 20mm higher than the Reign in High:

Yeti 160E: 350mm
Kenevo SL: 350mm
Nukeproof Megawatt: 350mm
Kellys Theos: 355mm

non eeb: Specialized Enduro 355mm

Rail I think is 341mm but has 10mm less rear travel.

When at 30% sag on a longer travel ebike you’re BB height is lower than that of a shorter travel bike at the same sag point.

So, if 2 different bikes have the exact same BB height, but one is a 160mm rear travel and one is a 140mm rear travel, at 30% sag on both bikes, the 160mm will have slightly lower (roughly 6mm lower) BB height when sagged at 30% rider weight.

Hi Rob, just back from LBS with new Reign E+2, 342mm flip chip on “High" everything stock no modifications.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Hi Rob, just back from LBS with new Reign E+2, 342mm flip chip on “High" everything stock no modifications. View attachment 80988

Interesting. I’m gonna have to measure another time to make 100% sure!

I did get help from my daughter to take the picture, I held bike as level as I could at balance point and got pic as in line with the BB as possible (you can see through to the other site).

 

[jbv]

Rob, what do you think the largest tire size could fit at the rear? don't say 27.5!

 

[John Cap]

Hi guys,
new to the forum, current owner of a Haibike Allmtn 3 and now I'm seriously considering getting the new Reign.
But I'm also thinking about a Trek Rail. I know all about the differences on paper (specs, geo, etc), but a hands-on experience is more valuable.

Question to @Rob Rides EMTB :
Having ridden both, what made you choose the Rail as your personal bike ?

 

[goroncy]

Interesting. I’m gonna have to measure another time to make 100% sure!

I did get help from my daughter to take the picture, I held bike as level as I could at balance point and got pic as in line with the BB as possible (you can see through to the other site).

Check the pressure in the damper. And to be sure check the stroke of the damper. Maybe your bike "eaten" 2 or 3 mm of the stroke of the shock. Size of tires won't matter so much. We are all pretty much on the same gums. I'll check my bike in like 30 minutes in both low and high. With a good metal ruler.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Hi guys,
new to the forum, current owner of a Haibike Allmtn 3 and now I'm seriously considering getting the new Reign.
But I'm also thinking about a Trek Rail. I know all about the differences on paper (specs, geo, etc), but a hands-on experience is more valuable.

Question to @Rob Rides EMTB :
Having ridden both, what made you choose the Rail as your personal bike ?

Rob spends a lot of time answering bike questions on the Forum, Youtube, Instagram, Strava.

He generally chooses his bikes based on key presses for efficiency. "Trek" and "Rail" are about as short as you can get.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Check the pressure in the damper. And to be sure check the stroke of the damper. Maybe your bike "eaten" 2 or 3 mm of the stroke of the shock. Size of tires won't matter so much. We are all pretty much on the same gums. I'll check my bike in like 30 minutes in both low and high. With a good metal ruler.

I’ll check it out . Last ride was at a bike park and I definitely added more air to the shock and ran less sag. But will be interested to check why mine is measuring this low!

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Here’s another pic (taken at the same time I measured but just wanted to check it was accurate). Camera height at the exact height of BB - can see through the BB.

Bike leant up against wall, straight as possible, at balance point.

Giant Reign E1, flip chip in HIGH:

 

[Implor]

Here’s another pic (taken at the same time I measured but just wanted to check it was accurate). Camera height at the exact height of BB - can see through the BB.

Bike leant up against wall, straight as possible, at balance point.

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Here is mine. High pos, 100% stock. Medium frame. 327mm

 

[Zimmerframe]

Here’s another pic (taken at the same time I measured but just wanted to check it was accurate). Camera height at the exact height of BB - can see through the BB.

Bike leant up against wall, straight as possible, at balance point.

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Won't these be dependent on how you guys have your sag's set ? i.e. there is a degree of natural sag without the rider + you need to confirm which bikes with which shocks/forks.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Here is mine. High pos, 100% stock. Medium frame



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from what I can see pretty much identical to mine

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Won't these be dependent on how you guys have your sag's set ? i.e. there is a degree of natural sag without the rider.

These are unweighted (zero sag) so should be like for like

 

[Zimmerframe]

These are static (zero sag) so should be like for like

Even on different bikes with different shocks/forks ?

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Even on different bikes with different shocks/forks ?

We are all measuring the same bikes, same geometry (I’m assuming we are all measuring the 2022 Reign with Fox fork / shock?!

 

[Implor]

Even on different bikes with different shocks/forks ?

Well I have the E1. Same as Rob. Maybe you are on to something. E2 has RS if I remember correct.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Well I have the E1. Same as Rob. Maybe you are on to something. E2 has RS if I remember correct.

There may be small variations between RS / Fox and even small percentage variations of the same components due to tolerances.

But so far 2 of us with the E1 have BB’s at sub 330mm in the HIGH position!

Either way, a manufacturer won’t even give different geo charts for these minor differences.

 

[goroncy]

My BB height measurements. Frame size L.

33,1mm on low
33,7mm on high

Cheers

 

[Zimmerframe]

Well I have the E1. Same as Rob. Maybe you are on to something. E2 has RS if I remember correct.

I think the fox generally sits slightly higher than the RS at "rest", so it's not that. Glad to be proved wrong.

 

[goroncy]

Here is mine. High pos, 100% stock. Medium frame. 327mm



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You are using foldable measure. By design most of them will show 2mm less because the tip is moving. Check it out.

 

[Zimmerframe]

There may be small variations between RS / Fox and even small percentage variations of the same components due to tolerances.

But so far 2 of us with the E1 have BB’s at sub 330mm

Either way, a manufacturer won’t even give different geo charts for these minor differences.

Also, you said you daughter made the measurements.

As we all know any female making a measurement will find it considerably smaller than any man making the same measurement ..

OK, I'll stop trolling now.

 

[Implor]

You are using foldable measure. By design most of them will show 2mm less because the tip is moving. Check it out.

Yah I know but it was what I had on hand. Gives a decent indication +/- 3mm.

edit: could have used my measuring laser but didn’t think of that.

 

[goroncy]

Guys. I don't want to a di©k but it seems that mine is bigger.

 

[Zimmerframe]

You are using foldable measure. By design most of them will show 2mm less because the tip is moving. Check it out.

In theory the tip moves to accommodate a push or a pull measurement, so it still should be pretty close.

 

[Endorium]

So looking to get a giant e+ 2022. 625wh battery. Seeing a few people getting very low range on their battery. New Yamaha motor not very efficient?