Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...

[Moderator]

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[sethimus]

this is why the youth is INSERT WORD YOU SHOULDN'T USE

 

[Ride 2d@y]

Is the failure rate for a wireless controller higher or lower than a Specialized motor ?

And to your point, thank God that Levos only have one wired controller vs 2 wireless controllers like the new kid on the block

 

[Dax]

Yes and yes (still do). I’m loving the AMF because now I can clear large tabletops I couldn’t before under leg power only.

Suggest getting a jumps lesson so you are using technique not relying on speed.

 

[Polar]

Just a reminder.

People of all ages can access the forum, therefore please try to refrain from using language which may not be suitable.

Admittedly, the average age for this thread is probably about 84, but that doesn't mean that there aren't still younger people reading it or people who will be offended by the unnecessary use of certain words, not Amflow in this instance.

I believe we've already mentioned that if you wish to discuss what the ideal assistance limit should be, there are specific threads on that subject and it should be discussed there.

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After 32 minute ban I hope I'm welcome back and just want to clarify I'm not talking about derestricting which I know there is a own thread for but EU rules and I thought my wish was appropriate since other want more torque or battery which is not on my top of the whish list.
Other people have another whish list

 

[sethimus]

After 32 minute ban I hope I'm welcome back and just want to clarify I'm not talking about derestricting which I know there is a own thread for but EU rules and I thought my wish was appropriate since other want more torque or battery which is not on my top of the whish list.
Other people have another whish list

go into politics then?

 

[Moderator]

@sethimus 24 hour ban.

If it needs explaining, we're wasting our time

 

[Phil M]

The rule in the UK is annoying but I just have mine derestricted.. I probably use it maybe 2% of the time, and it’s generally on a long descent when I need to put an odd crank in to keep it rolling. Most of the time gravity is sending me way over any limits so I see no issue myself.

I’ve no interest in turboing up a hill at 20mph

 

[Georgedukesa]

Every one is talking about the NM at 111 in turbo but what about the Watts (excuse the pun ) up from 540 on the old Levo to 720 that’s quite a increase and I havent a clue but what is the difference and where do each of these effect the ride and power delivery

 

[Polar]

The rule in the UK is annoying but I just have mine derestricted.. I probably use it maybe 2% of the time, and it’s generally on a long descent when I need to put an odd crank in to keep it rolling. Most of the time gravity is sending me way over any limits so I see no issue myself.

I’ve no interest in turboing up a hill at 20mph

Reckon I stop discussing the theme since it's a bit sensitive

 

[Moderator]

go into politics then?

Reckon I stop discussing the theme since it's a bit sensitive

I'm not sure how many times we have to mention this, though we realise this is the groundhog day thread.

However, as has been stated several times now. PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS your views on de-restricting or not de-restricting in this thread. There is a whole section of the forum dedicated to de-restricting.

In that area there are the relevant warnings about de-restricting and people seem happy to discuss it. Some are even open to being derided for either de-restricting or not de-restricting.

The next person to bring it up in this thread will be permanently banned from the thread. If their comments are interpreted to be at all aggressive, they will be banned from the forum.

 

[etoni]

Shape/size wise it's not that dissimilar to the previous generation Focus Jam2 (Bosch)

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This was generally ok, but if you were riding in rock a lot a third party bash guard was advisable still (but you could say that with any bike).

Focus then copied Spesh and spun the motor to drop the battery, which created the horrible plough looking thing - so we can at least be thankful the Gen4 isn't like that !

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The "shall not be named" bike is much more " is as you say, far more svelte ... but then people complain the chainring is exposed

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The gen4 for comparion again :

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ugly.

 

[ckkone]

Every one is talking about the NM at 111 in turbo but what about the Watts (excuse the pun ) up from 540 on the old Levo to 720 that’s quite a increase and I havent a clue but what is the difference and where do each of these effect the ride and power delivery

Its number psychology, the bigger the better the more we will spend. Kind of like how adding cheese to everything makes it better.

 

[singletrackminded]

Wow, that's a burly big downtube, bash guard and shock mount! Of more importance, where is the horst link pivot in the swingarm to keep it a 4 bar suspension in the blue bike photo?
Does this mean the new bike uses VPP, with the rear pivot built into the rear axle Split Pivot)? Not sure the specific pros and cons of Horst Link vs. VPP vs Split Pivot but it is very well documented.
It looks to be split pivot in the photo?
The other black images are less detailed, but appear to show the horst link. What gives?
A suspension change is much more significant than the colors and spec. and worthy of discussion! Specialized has used Horst Link exclusively since the beginning.
It should have been 160 travel rear and should ship w/ 180 fork as this appears Enduro, not a trail bike.
It will complement my Levo Sl well! The water bottle cage bracing is stupid unless it is a conduit for the range extender cable (more likely)?

Can anyone confirm the rear suspension format? Still looking to confirm the rear horst link pivot indicating a FSR/Horst link 4 bar swingarm/suspension. The blue bike photo seems to show something different and may be a misleading photo.

 

[Myke]

Today was the webinar in the US on the bike for dealers. I wonder if anything new will pop up? The posts are slowing down so it seems most everything has been flushed out.

 

[Georgedukesa]

Its number psychology, the bigger the better the more we will spend. Kind of like how adding cheese to everything makes it better.

That’s the most scientific answer yet

 

[DylanJM]

Can anyone confirm the rear suspension format? Still looking to confirm the rear horst link pivot indicating a FSR/Horst link 4 bar swingarm/suspension. The blue bike photo seems to show something different and may be a misleading photo.

The blue bike was an AI generated image....

At this point I'm not sure if people are trolling or not.

 

[oettam20]

Every one is talking about the NM at 111 in turbo but what about the Watts (excuse the pun ) up from 540 on the old Levo to 720 that’s quite a increase and I havent a clue but what is the difference and where do each of these effect the ride and power delivery

Maximum torque is essential in all those situations where you're typically pedaling at low cadence, such as on technical climbs, tight and twisty trails where you often have to start from a near stop, and trial-style sections. Or especilly when there are a loto of speed vaiation. Power, on the other hand, is more related to forward speed: in other words, if you're chasing a KOM on a climb, you’ll benefit more from a motor with high power, while a technical trail is better tackled with a motor that has high torque at lower cadence.

 

[singletrackminded]

The blue bike was an AI generated image....

At this point I'm not sure if people are trolling or not.

thank goodness. So it remains Horst link w/ the rear lower swingarm rear?

 

[singletrackminded]

which model/trim level sports the bowling ball brown color option?

 

[ah1]

If I was Specialized, I would post a fake Fool's gen4 announcement today... Probably boost this thread by an extra 50+ pages within an hour!

 

[RoJo]

Great Bosch Gen 5 option already out there that seems to have received little love:

 

[Citylad77]

Curious thought, for people that want a higher limit, did they rode an analog bike on downhill trails?

Yeah, my 650B would do 35 mph on a slightly incline trail, before that 2003 Mount Vision Pro which was bit faster. The main part for me about the AMflow and its speed is that it’s just more fun, and it means I am able to go on further and more challenging trails.

 

[TorAtle]

Maximum torque is essential in all those situations where you're typically pedaling at low cadence, such as on technical climbs, tight and twisty trails where you often have to start from a near stop, and trial-style sections. Or especilly when there are a loto of speed vaiation. Power, on the other hand, is more related to forward speed: in other words, if you're chasing a KOM on a climb, you’ll benefit more from a motor with high power, while a technical trail is better tackled with a motor that has high torque at lower cadence.

That's a pretty concise and accurate explanation. Ideally, every motor manufacturer should produce a torque vs cadence graph. Also, we want a high max assistance. There is no downside to this as you can dial in as much as you want in eco, trail and turbo.

 

[DylanJM]

Great Bosch Gen 4 option already out there that seems to have received little love:

Wrong thread

 

[Biano44]

Every one is talking about the NM at 111 in turbo but what about the Watts (excuse the pun ) up from 540 on the old Levo to 720 that’s quite a increase and I havent a clue but what is the difference and where do each of these effect the ride and power delivery

Nobody mentioned it for 4 days as they know people will just say that bikes have up to 1000w and that’s 33% more.
Best to ignore it and then it won’t matter.

 

[emtbeast]

Great Bosch Gen 4 option already out there that seems to have received little love:

Interesting that Trek went the other way with the battery compartment, but since it's Bosch, they had no choice I guess.

 

[Doomanic]

Wrong thread

At least it's got a wireless remote...

 

[Dax]

At least it's got a wireless remote...

Deal breaker

 

[RoJo]

Wrong thread

True true, just noting that I'm surprised about Levo hype and Trek Rail+ (their main competitor?) went almost unnoticed. If Bosch upgrade the power on this I reckon it's a close contender for Levo, what do you reckon?