Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...

[DylanJM]

I don't think SRAM are going to let the industry move towards mass adoption of MGUs until they make there money's worth on the transmission stuff or else have an MGU of their own to offer.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Nothing to do with the Gen4 .. but as I had the Amflow image up I was curious how it compared with the Levo SL2 (bikes are probably different sizes, but scaled off the front wheels).

 

[Biano44]

I don't think SRAM are going to let the industry move towards mass adoption of MGUs until they make there money's worth on the transmission stuff or else have an MGU of their own to offer.

I have a suspicion that neither Sram or Shimano have any interest in MGU's as it drives a train straight through their business model.
Why would they make an impervious, reliable for 10k km's box of tricks that doesn't wear out?

 

[Citylad77]

Nothing to do with the Gen4 .. but as I had the Amflow image up I was curious how it compared with the Levo SL2 (bikes are probably different sizes, but scaled off the front wheels).

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Good point, the AMflow rides very much like the SL but with a much more quieter and powerful motor.

 

[Polar]

What I miss is not more power but getting rid of the stupid 25 km/h EU limit.

 

[xtraman122]

I have a suspicion that neither Sram or Shimano have any interest in MGU's as it drives a train straight through their business model.
Why would they make an impervious, reliable for 10k km's box of tricks that doesn't wear out?

They’ll find a way to charge some exorbitant amount for it and justify it with a TCO. “Our MGU may cost 3x that of a traditional drivetrain, but it’ll last 4x the miles!” It’ll get to the point they’ll be bragging about longevity long past the number of miles anyone even puts on a bike before getting a new one, but people will still go for it. By that time a new bike will be in the $25k range, should only be another 3-4 years the way things are going

 

[sethimus]

What I miss is not more power but getting rid of the stupid 25 km/h EU limit.

there is a tiny trick involved, its called buy a fucking motorbike, ride it on a mx track and stay off the trails so we can enjoy them

 

[MTB-WALES]

there is a tiny trick involved, its called buy a fucking motorbike, ride it on a mx track and stay off the trails so we can enjoy them

I think you’re going to fucking extremes here….. There is a huge middle ground where having an ebike that doesn’t cut out when you’re going 15mph is acceptable

 

[KITEMAN1]

I see a lot of second hand Gen3 Levos for sale locally - think a lot of people are selling before the second hand market gets flooded from people wanting to upgrade to the Gen4. Most of the bikes listed in the past few days.

 

[sethimus]

I think you’re going to fucking extremes here….. There is a huge middle ground where having an ebike that doesn’t cut out when you’re going 15mph is acceptable

its those ppl who think they are above the rules who jeopardize trail access for the rest of us.

 

[Zimmerframe]

OK, not gen4 related - unless you're on the fence ..

But we still have a week to go and people obviously need something to argue about

Amflow compared to a KSL..

The KSL is the Full Dentist Spec (complete with gold fillings throughout) from Level X Bikes.

Not for your average pauper S-Works customer. Available with a basic retail price of €23,000 ... perfect for @Doomanic

https://levelxbikes.com/en/specialized-kenevo-sl-s-works

 

[MTB-WALES]

its those ppl who think they are above the rules who jeopardize trail access for the rest of us.

Not an issue where I live, so there are people monitoring speeds on your local trails?

 

[Ribinrobin]

“The KSL is the Full Dentist Spec (complete with gold fillings throughout) from Level X Bikes.”

This was next level comedy zim have to remember the gold fillings line

 

[Zimmerframe]

So in theory ..... they could do this now ??

 

[Madden126]

So in theory ..... they could do this now ??

With or without a wireless remote?

 

[Biano44]

What I miss is not more power but getting rid of the stupid 25 km/h EU limit.

Seldom few of the guys I ride with are restricted anymore. But this one chap refuses to derestrict his bike…..
So we all end up going at his speed anyways!

 

[Biano44]

its those ppl who think they are above the rules who jeopardize trail access for the rest of us.

Rules…….are for fools!

 

[Georgedukesa]

With or without a wireless remote?

Asked a guy from Spesh why no wireless controller on Handle bars and answer was simple and direct “reliability “

 

[Bogdan_CH]

Curious thought, for people that want a higher limit, did they rode an analog bike on downhill trails?

 

[Binhill1]

Tried to source a Gen 3 levo from a localish bike shop can't get one for me. Small wonder why folk buy online.

 

[linkqwd]

Asked a guy from Spesh why no wireless controller on Handle bars and answer was simple and direct “reliability “

thats a shame that spesh cant make reliable wireless stuff

 

[Ridgydidge]

Curious thought, for people that want a higher limit, did they rode an analog bike on downhill trails?

Yes and yes (still do). I’m loving the AMF because now I can clear large tabletops I couldn’t before under leg power only.

 

[salko]

OK, not gen4 related - unless you're on the fence ..

But we still have a week to go and people obviously need something to argue about

Amflow compared to a KSL..

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The KSL is the Full Dentist Spec (complete with gold fillings throughout) from Level X Bikes.

Not for your average pauper S-Works customer. Available with a basic retail price of €23,000 ... perfect for @Doomanic

https://levelxbikes.com/en/specialized-kenevo-sl-s-works

With those wheels I bet the sales is really booming

 

[TorAtle]

thats a shame that spesh cant make reliable wireless stuff

While they are fine with using wireless stuff from SRAM. Obviously makes no sense, just a poor excuse.

 

[linkqwd]

While they are fine with using wireless stuff from SRAM. Obviously makes no sense, just a poor excuse.

and while they were ditching cable routing for rear mech in the latest Stumpjumper (carbon model)

 

[Polar]

there is a tiny trick involved, its called buy a fucking motorbike, ride it on a mx track and stay off the trails so we can enjoy them

A better trix is to try to realize you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and how/where other ride.

 

[DylanJM]

Asked a guy from Spesh why no wireless controller on Handle bars and answer was simple and direct “reliability “

Is the failure rate for a wireless controller higher or lower than a Specialized motor ?

 

[Polar]

Curious thought, for people that want a higher limit, did they rode an analog bike on downhill trails?

No the usely ride on flat fireroads

 

[sethimus]

OK, not gen4 related - unless you're on the fence ..

But we still have a week to go and people obviously need something to argue about

Amflow compared to a KSL..

View attachment 157219

The KSL is the Full Dentist Spec (complete with gold fillings throughout) from Level X Bikes.

Not for your average pauper S-Works customer. Available with a basic retail price of €23,000 ... perfect for @Doomanic

https://levelxbikes.com/en/specialized-kenevo-sl-s-works

23k and it still comes with fox suspension

 

[sethimus]

Curious thought, for people that want a higher limit, did they rode an analog bike on downhill trails?

no, they just ride along on these types of tracks: