Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2023/4/5/6 Rumours...

[DylanJM]

This thread is so much FUN!

 

[Ou812]

Crestline also known as an over priced Santa Cruz bullet. Fun fact, you know why Santa Cruz went to a FRS suspension design on the vala? Because the drive units size make it impossible to put the lower link low enough to prevent brake jack in a VPP design. Knowing this makes you wonder why so many riders cream their baggies for the VPP design on the Crestline. Look at a Bronson or Megatower lower link location, on an e bike, that pivot in inside the drive unit. When all is said and done, there are really only three suspension designs that work for e bikes, FRS , DW links and high pivots with an idler.

I went with Crestline mainly because I could get it as a frame only, I have enough spare parts to build a few bikes at this point.

Price wise, it was cheaper than any of the other frame only options.

 

[Cheeky]

I also wanted to wait for the GEN 4 but took too long. Went with one of the first Valas. Pretty cool and capable bike, I dont care about VPP or anything, it just needs to deliver and it does. Pretty good parts out of the box, of course not cheap. Battery could be bigger which is my only downside.

Gen 4 needs to be a real banger, then I would maybe think to change.

 

[RichMorr]

I went with Crestline mainly because I could get it as a frame only, I have enough spare parts to build a few bikes at this point.

Price wise, it was cheaper than any of the other frame only options.

Needs to see a picture of the Crestline, not that I dislike my G3 but Crestline dream bike

 

[Ribinrobin]

I think the biggest selling point I heard about was a range extender that you could use instead of the main battery or with the battery. So you can either have a long distance bike or a lightweight bike.

 

[DylanJM]

I think the biggest selling point I heard about was a range extender that you could use instead of the main battery or with the battery. So you can either have a long distance bike or a lightweight bike.

I think I'd just prefer a small 400wh internal battery option for that purpose.

 

[DylanJM]

Also I can almost guarantee the date we finally hear something will be the day after I decide to cave and go with another bike. So most likely end of Feb when I get my next pay check. Mark your calenders!

 

[Ou812]

Needs to see a picture of the Crestline, not that I dislike my G3 but Crestline dream bike

It’s being shipped to my dad’s house in the US, I won’t be back to visit until the end of May. I’ll probably be there for about a month so it’s going to be a while before I get it built up.

 

[Ou812]

I think I'd just prefer a small 400wh internal battery option for that purpose.

This is what I’m looking at doing with my new bike, 400wh internal with a 250wh extender. It was offered as an option but I ordered it without a battery as I’ll be flying with it back to the UK.

 

[ckkone]

Overpriced ? Their kits are actually inline with most bikes in the market ,even more so if you consider they are such a small brand.
They offer Bosch gen 5 with all battery options (removable),top tube screen,high quality frame,good suspension design,modular frame with many travel options and 29 or Mullet ...
If anything,SC should have made a Crestline and not the other way around
The Valla (And soon to be released Bullit) is a good bike but OH so boring...

I like small boutique brands just as much as the next guy but with only 150 units I'd be worried about parts availability when shit breaks or if there a common failure point with the frames. Also the motor bulge on the Crestline is worse than the Levo and the down tube looks massive. I hope the new Levo looks more like the SL, no motor bulge or ugly shock stay. Santa Cruz knocked it out of the park with Vala, it's easily the best looking EMTB out right now.

 

[zorro77]

By now the title of the discussion must be corrected to 2025

 

[Phil M]

Demoing one of these in couple of weeks.

 

[Myke]

I like small boutique brands just as much as the next guy but with only 150 units I'd be worried about parts availability when shit breaks or if there a common failure point with the frames. Also the motor bulge on the Crestline is worse than the Levo and the down tube looks massive. I hope the new Levo looks more like the SL, no motor bulge or ugly shock stay. Santa Cruz knocked it out of the park with Vala, it's easily the best looking EMTB out right now.

I might be biased but I really like the look of the SL over the Vala. In person the downtube and crank area look pretty bulky but not bad.

 

[Arminius]

To be or not to be?

 

[RichMorr]

I do think the downtube on G3 Levo looks quite slender compared to a lot other bands especially the brands using the bosch battery.

 

[Georgedukesa]

I might be biased but I really like the look of the SL over the Vala. In person the downtube and crank area look pretty bulky but not bad.

 

[Georgedukesa]

Spesh Sl Expert in Black is seriously a sexy looking bike really hope the Gen4 is as or better looking

 

[ckkone]

Nah that kink in the seat tube is just ewwww, Vala best looking full power emtb is what I should have said....

 

[David666]

Title of this thread is changed.

 

[Myke]

Title of this thread is changed.

'26 included now as well!
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[Myke]

So 57 pages in what are your thoughts on what the Gen 4 will be?

I feel this is pretty much guaranteed:

SL style frame
Genie shock
Fox fork
Slightly more power
Slightly lighter
More computer tech
Raven Brakes
Sram transmission

Possible:

Removable battery
Swappable battery sizes
More geo adjustability
Full 29"
Stumpy 15 geo
Better looking motor area

What do you all think?

 

[salko]

'26 included now as well!
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Who writes years with just one digit?? I think he meant to add future generations Gen5, Gen6 to make us all more confused

 

[Ribinrobin]

105nm?
800wh battery?
350wh range extender?
No side strut
Genie shock
160/150
Mullet/29
Axs only (carbons)
Coil option
No more belt drive motor
Brose motor gear driven.

 

[David1960]

500 Miles on the Amflow now, I agree the current S Works Levo is a better bike on the down hill bits and its more agile. The DJI Motor though is from another place TQ and power wise, very smooth power across the range.
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I am thinking of getting this bike but worried I can’t get range of my Bosch mondraker 750. My mondraker can do 35 to 40 miles in turbo. Can amflow do same range. Most of mileages I have seen on Facebook show people doing not much mileage above 20 miles. I have my Bosch on max power 85 nm and get huge Mileages.

 

[salko]

Range on an emtb is not very useful info if you don't also add elevation gain ... My Levo has several hundred kms of range if elev. gain is close to 0 ...

 

[ckkone]

I am thinking of getting this bike but worried I can’t get range of my Bosch mondraker 750. My mondraker can do 35 to 40 miles in turbo. Can amflow do same range. Most of mileages I have seen on Facebook show people doing not much mileage above 20 miles. I have my Bosch on max power 85 nm and get huge Mileages.

At the end of the day if you want to do a longer ride on the Amflow you need to use a lower mode just like every other bike. The EMTB mode on Bosch is still far and away the best for just set it and forget it. From reports I've seen if you have range anxiety the Amflow may not be for you, have also read with the motor off there is a ton of drag pedaling. The Amflow won't really be that special once the new Levo is out and Bosch comes out with their new screen and software.

 

[David1960]

At the end of the day if you want to do a longer ride on the Amflow you need to use a lower mode just like every other bike. The EMTB mode on Bosch is still far and away the best for just set it and forget it. From reports I've seen if you have range anxiety the Amflow may not be for you, have also read with the motor off there is a ton of drag pedaling. The Amflow won't really be that special once the new Levo is out and Bosch comes out with their new screen and software.

Yes. But I am using turbo on my Bosch and emtb getting nearly 40 miles. Is efficiency of motor in amflow as good as Bosch

 

[JP-NZ]

Yes. But I am using turbo on my Bosch and emtb getting nearly 40 miles. Is efficiency of motor in amflow as good as Bosch

I think you'd be better to ask in the amflow section rather than posting about a Bosch v DJI question in the specialized levo thread of the forum

 

[Zimmerframe]

Yes. But I am using turbo on my Bosch and emtb getting nearly 40 miles. Is efficiency of motor in amflow as good as Bosch

This is the bla bla bla thread ... so .........

Maybe the question is, will the gen4 give the same or more than a Bosch ? Or an Amflow ridden similarly .. ??

Who knows... ultimately, they must be similar, bosch EMTB still gives me the best as an average with peaks as I need them. There won't be any magic. We're all experienced enough by now to know there aren't any miracles.

I think for @David1960 , with average power of 82w ?!?!?!?!? if that's accurate then it pretty much won't make any difference what bike you're riding. You're not using the EMTB as an EMTB ? Maybe that's one for another thread.

EDIT : just noticed you have another thread

 

[AussieRuss]

105nm?
800wh battery?
350wh range extender?
No side strut
Genie shock
160/150
Mullet/29
Axs only (carbons)
Coil option
No more belt drive motor
Brose motor gear driven.

48 volt system up from current 36