You dont need it, it will have Sram X0 groupset, cable seatpost and probably slightly worse carbon wheelset
Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 2023/4/5/6 Rumours...
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If that's it, what took so long, I designed the Gen4 levo in 30 minutes over lunch, ok, my angles are a bit crap in comparison .. but 102 pages ... 
sethimus
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no bashguard, will someone please think of the ones not in the cushion loving boomer camp?
Desert_Turtle
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That is it! That pic isn’t going to last long. I have a similar pic in the blue but I promised not to post anything or say anything beyond what’s already out there. It’s kinda fun listening to people speculate and hearing the haters hate. I’m not sure about which bike is getting what charging options. If that’s what you’re thinking is the big difference between the SWorks and the Pro….thats probably not it!
Any review vids?
Desert_Turtle
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I didn’t ask about the geo but it’s similar. The big difference is that they left room for the bike to grow and Cascade will probably not be making a link. It’s got at least as much adjustment as the Gen3.
Over 25kg/54lb with pedals...Is this the Oink Oink Model?
Too bad only 150 travel out back still with small stroked shock. Think the weak link in bike. My air shock just snapped off near yoke insertion two weeks ago and damaged underside of top tube on Levo3 Comp Carbon badly. Out a bike every since as Spesh only offering 35% crash replacement warranty for new frame. Shock and frame damaged badly on start of mellow flow trail descent with no jumps that one could easily ride a hardtail on. No bottom outs ever on shock with Vivid Ulti air with BO resistance and 28% sag. Was really hoping new G4 was a hybrid of G3 and Kennevo in travel and ride ability that has been fully updated. Doesnt sound the case and going back to “proprietary” internal shock design with Genie sounds like going backwards too
The shock link mount in front of the seat tube is unmistakableSo based on you and @Flo7 , we can say it's similar looking.
Yup, I just took the SL S-works frame and modded the drawing. If you drop the sL image over it, you'll see it matches exactly.
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I had the same conversation with the Mods when they deleted the image and had to prove it was a mock up. Slimed the display, changed the angle of the seat tube kink, enlarged the downtube (suspect it's far from accurate especially near the steerer) Flattened the motor top. Enlarged the motor area. Modded the seat post as per Flo7 comment - though it doesn't run at the same angle as the modded seat tube. Widened the seat stay (because I messed up the angles) Buttressed the seat stay bearing area, partly due to changing the angle. Upgraded the cage. Upgraded the shock(well, ish). Added extra water bottle/tool kit bosses, but ended up deleting one by accident. And yes, there is a Cannondale crank in there when I tried to use a Bosch motor area. You'll note the bottom chain line doesn't run straight, I kinked it from the tire onwards and didn't bother with the top chain line as it's sunny and I couldn't be arsed
No, but he is my neighbor and close friend. He may of posted snapped air shock pic that I sent him. I would definitely never run an coil on yoke driven system after my experience though. Funny, I am good friends with him, but dont watch any of his content since I rather ride
. Bikeless now, so pondering the news for new bike replacement. My Rail officially dead as well (aweful ebike in terms of reliability for me over past 4 years). I am sure the new one is much better in that regard
Well, a lot of interesting info, unfortunately thats not what I wanted it to be, 24-25kg bike should have more travel in my mind, instead of big belly we now have huge downtube. I was hoping that it would take different approach.
Now I can see why a guy who seen this bike before release chose Vala instead, like 30 pages ago, I would do the same.
2025 year and a cable controller
Now I can see why a guy who seen this bike before release chose Vala instead, like 30 pages ago, I would do the same.
2025 year and a cable controller
singletrackminded
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I wonder about the timing of the release of the frameset only purchase option?
Just watched Otter’s (Bryan’s) video. Yeah, that must be new since he used a pic I sent him of my broken Vivid Ulti air shock from yoke. If didn’t damage frame so badly, would be as annoyed and could of easily put my stock Fox Float X back on so could still be riding. Being without bike now is killing me, but able to take in the news now
.Bryan (Ottter) excellent car mechanic so enjoys all the tinkering and making content as I am the ride tester for most these e/mtb products it seems. Based on not being able to run progressive coil spring on Levo as seen on video, I would definitely never run one. Lighter duty and weighted riders likely ok. I am 200 lbs for reference, Bryan 220 lbs, so can see why no good for him as well.
Thanks for sharing the Levo4 content on here everyone as I am eagerly waiting for new emtb replacement. Back riding the analog (SC Hightower) and is just not as fun, but nice to get back to my roots some, minus all the suffering while in my 50’s here and still like to ride fairly hard at times.
Jon
More likely 1,5kg , top Vala has 21,47 kg vs S works 23,68, S works has 34,9 electric seat post instead of 31,6 cable in Vala, thats 200g, S works has 1300g front tire instead of 1150g trail casing in Vala thats another 150g, the rest is battery...just try to think a little bit more
/genie shock with piggyback is also heavier than classic Float X
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if you pay premium price, don't you want it be premium specced? Imagine all that AXS wireless swifty stuff and a silly cable wondering around.I’ll tell you what, if someone made a bike with 160/150 travel, 800w/h battery, 110+NM, 21/22kg weight, decent spec and good trail geo…….all it would need is a wireless controller and it would smash the G4 out the park.
Polar
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S-Works also have the heaviest brakes on the marketMore likely 1,5kg , top Vala has 21,47 kg vs S works 23,68, S works has 34,9 electric seat post instead of 31,6 cable in Vala, thats 200g, S works has 1300g front tire instead of 1150g trail casing in Vala thats another 150g, the rest is battery...just try to think a little bit more
MTB-WALES
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But if we are comparing similar priced models then it’s the expert at 9500 vs the top vala at 9999. The expert is 24.4kg.More likely 1,5kg , top Vala has 21,47 kg vs S works 23,68, S works has 34,9 electric seat post instead of 31,6 cable in Vala, thats 200g, S works has 1300g front tire instead of 1150g trail casing in Vala thats another 150g, the rest is battery...just try to think a little bit more
MTB-WALES
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XO is 21.47 too so comparison stands
Wow, interesting news, as it says the deal is already been done...makes me wonder as later in the year Giant is suposedly releasing an all new full carbon Reign 180mm/170mm with a 48V 700W 90Nm motor, 560Wh int + 280Wh ext, wonder if this has already been a some kind of collaboration as yamaha doesn't have a 48V motor yet.Realy? Brose ebike motors are sold to yamaha.
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I'm curious how all that will play out with the Brose motors in the future overall.
All the more reason 600wh is perfect and the Vala is perfect.More likely 1,5kg , top Vala has 21,47 kg vs S works 23,68, S works has 34,9 electric seat post instead of 31,6 cable in Vala, thats 200g, S works has 1300g front tire instead of 1150g trail casing in Vala thats another 150g, the rest is battery...just try to think a little bit more
/genie shock with piggyback is also heavier than classic Float X
