Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...

[Flo7]

More likely 1,5kg , top Vala has 21,47 kg vs S works 23,68, S works has 34,9 electric seat post instead of 31,6 cable in Vala, thats 200g, S works has 1300g front tire instead of 1150g trail casing in Vala thats another 150g, the rest is battery...just try to think a little bit more
/genie shock with piggyback is also heavier than classic Float X

My Vala has 21,5kg in Medium with X2 and mallet E Pedals! Build XO RSV with Lewis LH4 insted of the maven.

Rear Tyre is Stock Gravity Casting and Schwalbe radial tyres are Heavy!

The S works weight are in Size s4 but without Pedals!!

 

[MonsterMX]

Jesus, you have frame M, lighter brakes than Maven, if you are running tubeless thats another -250g, and you still don't get it.
Radial Trail casing is light

 

[Polar]

First it was a Levo thread then Amflow and now Vala what's next?

 

[Phil M]

Regardless of weight vs Vala, the Levo has a useable battery (for me) the Vala hasn’t.

 

[MonsterMX]

I cant wait for dedicated Gen4 thread after release

 

[salko]

They already created Levo Gen4 forum prefix, so the bike really does exist!

 

[electricbogaloo]

Levo S-Works has 25% more power than a Vala so an extra Kilo won’t make a significant difference.

Depending how the kilo is distrubuted you'll absolutely feel it going dh.

 

[patrick23]

First it was a Levo thread then Amflow and now Vala what's next?

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I've been waiting for the new Levo since last September. The more I look at the market, the more I start questioning price-performance ratios.

What do you think about this bike and these specs? 800Wh battery, Bosch Gen5, 4A Charger , 85Nm, SramXX, 23kg with a list price of €8,500 (top spec) in Austria. I've already ridden the bike in person and honestly, compared to the Levo Gen 3 (Comp Alloy), it feels noticeably quieter and smoother.

Now the question is: New Levo Comp Carbon/Expert or Cube? Amflow isn't available here with a dealer —otherwise I probably would've bought it already And with the Vala, I don't like the upright suspension on the frame.

My pain threshold is €10k. Any ideas? What would you do with 10k€?

 

[Q9000]

You’re not even close. Yeah, a gear box would be interesting but you’re not using enough of your imagination. That’s how out of the box they’re going.

2 wheel drive?

 

[Tooks]

Come the release date, I can’t help but think this cartoon will be pretty apt given the ‘no wireless controller is a deal breaker’ type chat!

 

[Power1tobe]

Come the release date, I can’t help but think this cartoon will be pretty apt given the ‘no wireless controller is a deal breaker’ type chat!

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understand ppl dont like wires, but why is it a deal breaker. There are pro and cons for both.

 

[Druster]

First it was a Levo thread then Amflow and now Vala what's next?

The Bullit (like Vala but 170/170) is around the corner too

 

[Flo7]

understand ppl dont like wires, but why is it a deal breaker. There are pro and cons for both.

what are the pros?

 

[DirkWisely]

what are the pros?

Can't run out of battery

 

[Black Bear Trail]

Yes the Gen 4 will accept a range extender, however the SL extender battery likely not compatible, The Gen 4 system is 48v and the Sl is 36v.

SL is 48V

So we have some conflicting information here. Anyone else able to confirm if the range extender is 36v or 48v?

 

[Flo7]

Can't run out of battery

and then? The Bosch System you can change the mode also without remote...

 

[GeordieKenevo]

There's going to have to be some very big suprise we haven't seen leaked yet for this new Levo to have any chance of diverting people away from the £6000 Amflow or the rumoured Deviate DJI bike.

I will continue running my s4 Kenevo until the Deviate or Gen 2 of the DJI as I have the 700 and 500 batteries for that & rarely use more than 44% assistance. With the 700 battery, upgraded downhill tyres, 29" wheel 38 Fork to mullet it, X2 shock and pedals my Kenevo with 180mm travel front and rear is still about the same weight as this new S4 S-works

 

[Borut]

Regarding specifications and price there is no doubt whats is a smart choice amflow or spec. Offcourse amflow

 

[Stue007]

Me too, been waiting for the Levo Gen 4 launch, and if the weight figures are accurate, it's kinda disappointing.

Compared to Santa Cruz’s Vala—even with the 600 Wh battery—the numbers seem off. Where does that extra 1–1.5 kg come from, especially when comparing the S-Works and lower models to their Vala equivalents? Must be the frame. I was expecting the S-Works to come in at around 22.x kg, with equivalent weights for the Pro, Expert, and Comp models.

You can’t just chalk that up to components and battery weight. The frame design with the side-loading battery is probably adding the extra bulk. Let's see and wait for the official launch next week and how the Levo rides...

 

[jgusta]

Me too, been waiting for the Levo Gen 4 launch, and if the weight figures are accurate, it's kinda disappointing.

Compared to Santa Cruz’s Vala—even with the 600 Wh battery—the numbers seem off. Where does that extra 1–1.5 kg come from, especially when comparing the S-Works and lower models to their Vala equivalents? Must be the frame. I was expecting the S-Works to come in at around 22.x kg, with equivalent weights for the Pro, Expert, and Comp models.

You can’t just chalk that up to components and battery weight. The frame design with the side-loading battery is probably adding the extra bulk. Let's see and wait for the official launch next week...

At the end if the day for full power emtb you are looking at just below 50 lbs or above. obviously, lighter battery option about 2 lb less than full battery. Amazing that people squaking about weight to me with these full powered emtbs. I have Levo3 with 700 and 500 battery (2 lb difference) and my ride isn’t noticeably hindered at all riding everything with heavier battery vs lighter.

 

[Polar]

Regarding specifications and price there is no doubt whats is a smart choice amflow or spec. Offcourse amflow

Regarding support and warranty. Of course not Amflow

 

[sethimus]

Maybe next:

STEREO HYBRID ONE44 HPC SLT 800​

Cube Stereo Hybrid ONE44 HPC SLT 800 liquidlava´n´black

Kompromisslose All-Mountain-Performance plus leistungsstarker Bosch Antrieb – für Trail-Spaß ohne Ende!

www.cube.eu

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I've been waiting for the new Levo since last September. The more I look at the market, the more I start questioning price-performance ratios.

What do you think about this bike and these specs? 800Wh battery, Bosch Gen5, 4A Charger , 85Nm, SramXX, 23kg with a list price of €8,500 (top spec) in Austria. I've already ridden the bike in person and honestly, compared to the Levo Gen 3 (Comp Alloy), it feels noticeably quieter and smoother.

Now the question is: New Levo Comp Carbon/Expert or Cube? Amflow isn't available here with a dealer —otherwise I probably would've bought it already And with the Vala, I don't like the upright suspension on the frame.

My pain threshold is €10k. Any ideas? What would you do with 10k€?

friends don't let friends ride cube bikes. if you want really nice specs, a sloppy bike design, sloppy build up then go for it

the last 2 emtbs we got from them our mechs needed to redo all the inner cables as they build it up so badly the dropper post cable was kinked. just don't.

honestly, someone who needs to sell this junk

 

[sethimus]

You can’t just chalk that up to components and battery weight. The frame design with the side-loading battery is probably adding the extra bulk. Let's see and wait for the official launch next week and how the Levo rides...

one is a bike with a fixed battery, one is a bike where you can remove the battery. every time you cut an opening in the frame, you need more material to make it structurally sound. frame design 101, not that hard to figure out where the extra weight comes from. geez

 

[Dax]

one is a bike with a fixed battery, one is a bike where you can remove the battery. every time you cut an opening in the frame, you need more material to make it structurally sound. frame design 101, not that hard to figure out where the extra weight comes from. geez

Good point. Got to please all the people on here that say a non removable battery is a deal breaker.

 

[DylanJM]

There's going to have to be some very big suprise we haven't seen leaked yet for this new Levo to have any chance of diverting people away from the £6000 Amflow or the rumoured Deviate DJI bike.

I will continue running my s4 Kenevo until the Deviate or Gen 2 of the DJI as I have the 700 and 500 batteries for that & rarely use more than 44% assistance. With the 700 battery, upgraded downhill tyres, 29" wheel 38 Fork to mullet it, X2 shock and pedals my Kenevo with 180mm travel front and rear is still about the same weight as this new S4 S-works

The Deviate bike is Bosch.

Ebike Waitlist — Deviate Cycles | Scottish MTB Manufacturer

www.deviatecycles.com

 

[sethimus]

Good point. Got to please all the people on here that say a non removable battery is a deal breaker.

plus we don't know yet how they designed the swat thing. that could be an extra opening thats needs extra reinforcements

 

[electricbogaloo]

Me too, been waiting for the Levo Gen 4 launch, and if the weight figures are accurate, it's kinda disappointing.

Compared to Santa Cruz’s Vala—even with the 600 Wh battery—the numbers seem off. Where does that extra 1–1.5 kg come from, especially when comparing the S-Works and lower models to their Vala equivalents? Must be the frame. I was expecting the S-Works to come in at around 22.x kg, with equivalent weights for the Pro, Expert, and Comp models.

You can’t just chalk that up to components and battery weight. The frame design with the side-loading battery is probably adding the extra bulk. Let's see and wait for the official launch next week and how the Levo rides...

From the sideloading battery. A removable battery will add 0,5 to over 1 kg to the frame, especially if you cut a big hole into the downtube. The Gen3 levo had the hole at the bottom which results in a lower weight penalty (and center of gravity) but requires the motor to be turned and therefore looks not as sleek.

 

[etoni]

If that's it, what took so long, I designed the Gen4 levo in 30 minutes over lunch, ok, my angles are a bit crap in comparison .. but 102 pages ...

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Sorry, Looks like 10years behind the amflow.. with 24.5kg 14000euro. Bad news.

Levo Gen 4 - Levo Gen 4 2023/4/5/6 Rumours...

I gotta keep my trap shut about it but I’ve now seen pics and got to hear about the specs. The S Works is going to absolutely change the industry. Many of the recent predictions about the power and battery sizes are close enough, if not 100% correct, but you guys are not thinking outside the box...

www.emtbforums.com

And its own engine! Brose is sold to yamaha?

 

[gbcoke]

plus we don't know yet how they designed the swat thing. that could be an extra opening thats needs extra reinforcements

You need to remove the battery to access it

 

[WatermanJim]

Thanks everyone for all the info. I'm in the "can't wait and see" group. I have a 2017 and 2022 and look forward to getting the new one if it is significantly better. The only option i really want is autoshift. I think thats going to be great and offer a next level experience. Any word on Autoshift/freeshift?