Derestricting bosch smart system

[manu.w]

I guess the electromagnet is completely sealed and not possible to see the inside? Is this part metal?

 

[manu.w]

Can I also ask you if possible to plot the electromagnet pulse signature with this app or other app and take a screencapture?
Thanks

‎GRMagNeto

‎GRMagNeto allows the measurement of the natural magnetic field or created with some magnets. A vector indicating the direction of the magnetic field combined with a sound device for operating the three axes available. A threshold limit setting allows an audible alert when the threshold is...

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[AlumiPro]

I guess the electromagnet is completely sealed and not possible to see the inside? Is this part metal?

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That’s just a paint marker dot.
It is completely sealed. Inside is a single tightly wound wire coil incased in epoxy.

 

[E Bob]

SPEED BOX 1.2 B (Bluetooth / Rim Magnet) installed today on my CX Race motor!
Due to how tight the motor fits inside my carbon frame I had to shave down the plastic electric magnet housing on the top and bottom to fit snug over the center rib of the motor.
I also had to heat up the plastic wire strain relief coming out of the plastic magnet housing and bend it downward to gain clearance.
It’s functioning as it should with no error codes while my bike is held off the ground in a stand. I have not ridden it yet, and unfortunately Cali is getting hit with an atmospheric river tomorrow, so once we it drys up a bit I’ll hit the trails.
I also have yet to play with the Bluetooth side of it….maybe tomorrow.

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Got mine off centre, flat down on sprocket side.

 

[E Bob]

Got my Speed box fitted into the crestline today, motor out/in 5 times... You must change the wheel size to pretty close or youll get the 523003 speed sensor code. Cannot get the ap to work though, just get connecting...

 

[manu.w]

...>> You must change the wheel size to pretty close or youll get the 523003 speed sensor code.

What do you exactly mean , what has the wheel size, diameter? do with getting the error?
Can you explain more precisely?
Thanks

 

[AlumiPro]

Got my Speed box fitted into the crestline today, motor out/in 5 times... You must change the wheel size to pretty close or youll get the 523003 speed sensor code. Cannot get the ap to work though, just get connecting...

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WOW that’s my bike! Copper RS75, Ride Wrap, PINND cranks, Schwalbe tires,…..and now Speed Box.

 

[AlumiPro]

You need to remove the printed black plastic cap on the magnet……most likely wouldn’t effect it’s function though.

 

[AlumiPro]

That’s the code I got when the electric magnet wasn’t centered on the motor housing. (The original rim magnet is centered with the motor as it passes by)

 

[AlumiPro]

Got my Speed box fitted into the crestline today, motor out/in 5 times... You must change the wheel size to pretty close or youll get the 523003 speed sensor code. Cannot get the ap to work though, just get connecting...

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My app isn’t working either, just “connecting”
Glad I spent the extra $ on the Bluetooth version

 

[Onetime]

The rim magnet derestrictor seems like a big pain in the ass. It also Seems like it would be easier and cheaper to just convert the internal sensor/rim magnet to the swingarm sensor/rotor magnet and then just get a regular derestrictor that doesn’t require a difficult install or a display and startup and shutdown proceedures. Just saying.

 

[AlumiPro]

The rim magnet derestrictor seems like a big pain in the ass. It also Seems like it would be easier and cheaper to just convert the internal sensor/rim magnet to the swingarm sensor/rotor magnet and then just get a regular derestrictor that doesn’t require a difficult install or a display and startup and shutdown proceedures. Just saying.

My understanding is you have to have the motor setup that way from the bike manufacturer while being built, or before you take ownership of the bike. And this is IF the bike manufacturer AND Bosch are willing to do so. I’ve only seen Pole offer the option of either rim mag or rotor mag.
I asked Troydon from Crestline about this option but it didn’t seem to be a feasible option.

 

[Onetime]

My understanding is you have to have the motor setup that way from the bike manufacturer while being built, or before you take ownership of the bike. And this is IF the bike manufacturer AND Bosch are willing to do so. I’ve only seen Pole offer the option of either rim mag or rotor mag.
I asked Troydon from Crestline about this option but it didn’t seem to be a feasible option.

My understanding of it is that your local Bosch dealer can do it. It just needs to be plugged into the Bosch portal and make the change. I’ve seen some people that have had it done and I’ve seen others who said that the shop said needed the manufacturers consent to do it. It seems to be a case by case thing. But even if the bike shop needed the manufacturers consent, I don’t see why they wouldn’t. I used to have the rim magnet on my original Voima, when there were no rim magnet derestrictors available. But I sold it when the newer Race ID Voima became available and luckily I also had the option to get the swingarm sensor/rotor magnet at that time, so I did.

 

[AlumiPro]

You must change the wheel size to pretty close or youll get the 523003 speed sensor code.

I’m running a 27.5 rear and my default setting is 84.6 inches. Shouldn’t this be 86.4?
Am I so pose to set this at the new spoke magnet circumference?….so the Speedbox knows where the spoke magnet has been placed?(as each installation will be different and won’t place the magnet sensor in the same location on the swing arm.)

 

[E Bob]

I’m running a 27.5 rear and my default setting is 84.6 inches. Shouldn’t this be 86.4?
Am I so pose to set this at the new spoke magnet circumference?….so the Speedbox knows where the spoke magnet has been placed?(as each installation will be different and won’t place the magnet sensor in the same location on the swing arm.)

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mine was 84.6 but i run 29 rear, i was getting the 523003 error code like this "after the speedbox install" so i adjusted as high as it would go and dont get a code, Cant remember what a 29 inch worked out to be but the crestline screen wouldent go that high, so i just maxed it and seems ok now. You got me thinking about magnet placement now though, could measure from centre to magnet, double it then convert that to circumference

 

[manu.w]

I don’t understand why changing the wheel circumference could produce the error?
Could someone give some thoughts?
Thanks

 

[E Bob]

iv no clue but this is what bosch say

 

[AlumiPro]

iv no clue but this is what bosch say View attachment 133917

This is also the error I was sporadically getting with the Megabobra system while on 2hr rides. (84.6 wheel setting……I never even thought to change this setting)
Have you gone on a ride with the Speedbox yet? Or just testing in your bike stand? I have yet to go on a ride. I only got a 523003 code with the Speedbox while I had the electromagnet placed off center of the motor, held in my bike stand.

 

[E Bob]

This is also the error I was sporadically getting with the Megabobra system while on 2hr rides. (84.6 wheel setting……I never even thought to change this setting)
Have you gone on a ride with the Speedbox yet? Or just testing in your bike stand? I have yet to go on a ride. I only got a 523003 code with the Speedbox while I had the electromagnet placed off center of the motor, held in my bike stand.

only up and down my street, iv also fixed it over to the side, right hand side as it was clashing when i had it in the centre, so fingers crossed..

 

[Stefanino]

I don’t understand why changing the wheel circumference could produce the error?
Could someone give some thoughts?
Thanks

The circumference is not important.
When installing the tuning are asked to go to the circumference screen because at that moment the circumference value is circulated on the can, the tuning memorizes it and then uses it to show the corresponding/exact feedback (for example 2.5 or 5.0 on activation/deactivation). I remember that speeds are shown and they are not figures!

 

[AlumiPro]

only up and down my street, iv also fixed it over to the side, right hand side as it was clashing when i had it in the centre, so fingers crossed..

Any updates?
The Bluetooth app is working on mine

 

[SEBA]

is there a bomb proof 0 error easy install rim magnet solution ? price is not a problem

 

[AlumiPro]

Trying to derestrict the Bosch Smart Rim magnet system is not worth the money, frustration, error codes, and loss of time. So I returned the Speedbox and converted my bike to the Bosch swing arm speed sensor / spoke magnet. I’ve never been happier! No more issues, no more rim magnet / internal speed sensor and my Bosch firmware is up to date (10.12.3)

 

[SEBA]

Trying to derestrict the Bosch Smart Rim magnet system is not worth the money, frustration, error codes, and loss of time. So I returned the Speedbox and converted my bike to the Bosch swing arm speed sensor / spoke magnet. I’ve never been happier! No more issues, no more rim magnet / internal speed sensor and my Bosch firmware is up to date (10.12.3)

with which kit ?

 

[AlumiPro]

SPEEDFUN FURIOUS EVO easy+ for Bosch Smart system (made in Italy)

 

[stratosa]

Trying to derestrict the Bosch Smart Rim magnet system is not worth the money, frustration, error codes, and loss of time. So I returned the Speedbox and converted my bike to the Bosch swing arm speed sensor / spoke magnet. I’ve never been happier! No more issues, no more rim magnet / internal speed sensor and my Bosch firmware is up to date (10.12.3)

Please tell me how you manage to convert your rim magnet bike to the Bosch swing arm speed sensor / spoke magnet

 

[AlumiPro]

You first need to get permission from your bikes manufacturer(not all are willing to do so). Your local bike shop has to email a request to the bike manufacturer to do this procedure. If approved the manufacturer will email a file for the bike shop to download new firmware into the bike that shuts the internal speed sensor off, while also turning on one of the motors existing electrical outlets for the new swing arm speed sensor to plug into.
Then it’s about $50 in Bosch parts. (Bosch Speed Sensor, Bosch Speed Sensor Chain Stay Adaptor/Holder, and Bosch Spoke Magnet)

 

[SEBA]

You first need to get permission from your bikes manufacturer(not all are willing to do so). Your local bike shop has to email a request to the bike manufacturer to do this procedure. If approved the manufacturer will email a file for the bike shop to download new firmware into the bike that shuts the internal speed sensor off, while also turning on one of the motors existing electrical outlets for the new swing arm speed sensor to plug into.
Then it’s about $50 in Bosch parts. (Bosch Speed Sensor, Bosch Speed Sensor Chain Stay Adaptor/Holder, and Bosch Spoke Magnet)

and manufacturer do not ask the reason why ??! what is your bike brand ?

 

[AlumiPro]

and manufacturer do not ask the reason why ??! what is your bike brand ?

Get creative

 

[SEBA]

Get creative

thanks ...