Amflow PL Carbon "weight loss"

[Newchurch]

I want the new Avinox drive train and a light eMTB. And I don't MTB riding on bike parks, "heavy duty" downhills or on trails with high jumps, etc. So that's MY IDEAL eBike. If someone of you need a dropper, etc. - your problem

I will take some pictures today.

 

[HandsomeDanNZ]

I’d like to see the reverse. An Avinox drive system in a long travel (180+) 25kg beast.

See how it copes and if it’s still as good. I suspect it probably is.

 

[VWsurfbum]

As an ex XC racer, this intrigues me as my inner weight weenie comes to the surface every now and then.
Looking forward to the pictures.

On a separate note, are you a Dangerholme fan?

 

[whitymon]

Looks to me OP convert the bike into an XC or nearly gravel.

I can see the idea then to me the next logic step would be not to remove the fork for something way less burly. I bet a Fox34 would be far sufficient for OP with 300-450 grams lighter.

There is no really any use of either shock and fox with 150mm to be honest with that type of riding. You could reduce rear and front travel too and towards fox 32 but that could be complicated (geo might be kept?) and surely expensive - unless you succeed to sell stock parts. Then you would definitely reduce by a lot the weight!

As other mentioned I would go totally the opposite way 170-180/170 but definitely not on amflow frame.

 

[Newchurch]

 

[Suns_PSD]

This is a fun project, thanks for sharing OP.

My concern is that this motor is so powerful, and that the bike is set up for some pretty tame trails, and the bike with those tires is going to roll so easily, that you are going to spend a LOT of time against the speed limiter and that's not really going to be very fun. 25 kph is possible to maintain on easy trails, on any XC bike, a good portion of the time. I think you are going to be bored. I also suspect that you will barely use any battery juice.

Recently I rode with an older gentleman riding some pretty flat, but still chunky XC trails near my home and he was on the Pivot SL with the Fazua 60. I was hauling *ss that day and after I passed the bike I was surprised he was able to keep up. When we stopped, I found that he was a very experienced rider on an e-bike (I was riding my Smuggler trail bike, not my e-bike). He was running Ground Control tires, the bike was full weight weenie, and he had a CF seat post (no dropper) as well and he told me the bike weighed under 38#s ready to ride. (17.27 kgs).

 

[whitymon]

I do agree that an XC bike of 10-11 kg is gonna rip anything, if you are healthy, the major reason I could see the benefit of adding a big mass of motor/battery would be that, health limitation. Ok the only other reason would be OP doing tons of climb without any fun, then it could be a good option.

 

[Newchurch]

I have a 10 kg XC bike and a Bulls Wild Flow Evo with Fazua drive train. Weight of the Bulls was 16,7 kg with nearly identical parts like the Amflow now. My health is ok, it is the "more fun" with an eBike and especially the Amflow with Avinox drive train is a great bike for someone, who is interested in the new motor.

 

[Tilt]

I have a 10 kg XC bike and a Bulls Wild Flow Evo with Fazua drive train. Weight of the Bulls was 16,7 kg with nearly identical parts like the Amflow now. My health is ok, it is the "more fun" with an eBike and especially the Amflow with Avinox drive train is a great bike for someone, who is interested in the new motor.

Bonjour bravo pour votre montage pouvez vous me donné le poids des roues carbons je pense aussi me prendre un amflow et le rendre plus léger merci

 

[Tilt]

This is a fun project, thanks for sharing OP.

My concern is that this motor is so powerful, and that the bike is set up for some pretty tame trails, and the bike with those tires is going to roll so easily, that you are going to spend a LOT of time against the speed limiter and that's not really going to be very fun. 25 kph is possible to maintain on easy trails, on any XC bike, a good portion of the time. I think you are going to be bored. I also suspect that you will barely use any battery juice.

Recently I rode with an older gentleman riding some pretty flat, but still chunky XC trails near my home and he was on the Pivot SL with the Fazua 60. I was hauling *ss that day and after I passed the bike I was surprised he was able to keep up. When we stopped, I found that he was a very experienced rider on an e-bike (I was riding my Smuggler trail bike, not my e-bike). He was running Ground Control tires, the bike was full weight weenie, and he had a CF seat post (no dropper) as well and he told me the bike weighed under 38#s ready to ride. (17.27 kgs).

Je trouve sont montage assez cohérent pour 18,460kg sauf les pneus bien sur , il va bien sur économiser de la batterie avec ce montage

 

[Zimmerframe]

Ok the only other reason would be OP doing tons of climb without any fun, then it could be a good option.

You could potentially climb on an 18kg bike, even without a dropper, with amflow power and have vast amounts of fun !

Plus, if you were fit, you can still just lower the post as required manually.

I run switchgrades, which aren't cable operated, but you still adjust as required - though obviously not as intensively as you'd use a dropper when you're trying to ride optimally.

 

[whitymon]

@Zimmerframe I don't think I can ride any mtb bike without a dropper. That said I take absolutely no pleasure climbing, total waste of time for me, from analog to full power it is just a mean to an end and a time I am wasting doing something I don't like

I ran switchgrades since 2 week, late Christmas gift, and am not totally impressed yet. I find it a bit clunky to operate, one position is also harder than the other (one pointing down - but no screw touch anything I think).
It is not as easy to put it in neutral position to me, I do agree the climbing position is that said really nice on my butt, for dh, jury stills out. I need to see if I would be better off on the 2 positions.
Could be new muscle memory to build, I have it so I might use it but it is a bit heavy too.

I still could not personally ride one without a dropper.

 

[Streddaz]

@Zimmerframe I don't think I can ride any mtb bike without a dropper. That said I take absolutely no pleasure climbing, total waste of time for me, from analog to full power it is just a mean to an end and a time I am wasting doing something I don't like

I ran switchgrades since 2 week, late Christmas gift, and am not totally impressed yet. I find it a bit clunky to operate, one position is also harder than the other (one pointing down - but no screw touch anything I think).
It is not as easy to put it in neutral position to me, I do agree the climbing position is that said really nice on my butt, for dh, jury stills out. I need to see if I would be better off on the 2 positions.
Could be new muscle memory to build, I have it so I might use it but it is a bit heavy too.

I still could not personally ride one without a dropper.

I think you could physically ride one, it's just you wouldn't want to ride one doing the riding that you do. I think was your point.
Without a dropper post you would really want to stick to easy trails. If it got steep and or technical, not being able to drop the post would be pretty sketchy. Same goes for those lightweight tyres. On smooth easy trails they wouldn't be a problem but if you rode them on something rocky or muddy, it would be a problem.
As I said before, it's his bike and he can do what he wants to it, but it does seem a bit of a waste of a reasonably capable bike to then make it less capable.
Anyway, best of luck to him and I hope he enjoys it.

 

[Newchurch]

As I said before, it's his bike and he can do what he wants to it

Exactly - thanks