Amflow PL Carbon "weight loss"
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cool thanks and congratulations for your editing
no reason for people to give the OP a hard time, its his money and his hobby.
Astro66
Golden Boy
If you take a very capable EMTB, and make it much less capable. People are going to question the rational. I wouldn't take it personally. It's human curiosity. We are checking if we have missed something.
I for one can be counted as one of the "anyones" who doesn't understand why you are interested in a high powered motor in the bike you have modified. While I understand the "why not" and modifying a bike for personal preference, your stated goal of "I bought the Amflow PL Carbon "standard" model a week ago and my goal was to reduce weight (weight of the bike, reducing my weight is another story ...)." does not explain why you chose that bike to make an XC bike. I am not sure where you would use all that power unless you plan on derestricting it? If you could share your reason for choosing the Avinox drive, maybe it wouldn't sound like such an oxymoron.
OP just answered that somehow, he wants just for non rational reason the new kid in the block know as amflow/avinox even if it does not fit its need.
I want a formula 1 to drive in the city is what I got from all his messages, no offense, I agree people do what they want but people have to accept that it does not make us accepting it as rational, accurate, efficient or practical.
In a sense, we already see people going way over bike from frame, suspension, brake because of trend and influencers even if they just don’t need or lack related trail / skills.
This is not entirely different.
I want a formula 1 to drive in the city is what I got from all his messages, no offense, I agree people do what they want but people have to accept that it does not make us accepting it as rational, accurate, efficient or practical.
In a sense, we already see people going way over bike from frame, suspension, brake because of trend and influencers even if they just don’t need or lack related trail / skills.
This is not entirely different.
Mario Antony
Active member
It's a project, a very personall and specific project, that making it public in a forum is subject to criticism and opinions (favorable and not so much).
I fully understand the weight part on a Bike, where I found myself dumping water to relief 600grm and make it an "easier" climb....
On a full power ebike, with a speed limit of 25km/h, weight will not deter you from reaching the speed limit on most/any climb - you'll need to push yourself.
On descents, I don't even think about weight, and it's more important having a good distribuition than a good weight number.
On flats, it's more noticeable the speed limit, than weight!
IMO:
The major goal for anyone that properly use an ebike, is reducing weight, with no drawback on capability, becoming a real challenge, between parts & ingenuity.
The goal should be: transform an ebike into a light & capable machine.
PS: In a parody sense, if you can wheelie well and ride a monocycle, you can remove fork/front brake/front wheel! Now that would be a substancial weight loss!
I fully understand the weight part on a Bike, where I found myself dumping water to relief 600grm and make it an "easier" climb....
On a full power ebike, with a speed limit of 25km/h, weight will not deter you from reaching the speed limit on most/any climb - you'll need to push yourself.
On descents, I don't even think about weight, and it's more important having a good distribuition than a good weight number.
On flats, it's more noticeable the speed limit, than weight!
IMO:
The major goal for anyone that properly use an ebike, is reducing weight, with no drawback on capability, becoming a real challenge, between parts & ingenuity.
The goal should be: transform an ebike into a light & capable machine.
PS: In a parody sense, if you can wheelie well and ride a monocycle, you can remove fork/front brake/front wheel! Now that would be a substancial weight loss!
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I'm interested in the new technique - that's all ...
3 months ago on a forum I made a remark that compared to the weight of the frame, motor and battery I found Amflow a little heavy, the example clearly shows that Amflow is a tractor with a powerful motor and large battery (800wh) so yes with good 19kg tires it is possible
i think that's the point, being that to create a lightweight build the Amflow is not an obvious choice, its not a super light motor and the smallest battery you can get is 600, added to which is has the most power which is needed the least on a lighter bike.
Jeff McD
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Hey new church, great project and I agree with you. A lighter bike it's just more fun. Just to reassure you I have a 2022 Levo and put a set of super lightweight cross-country wheels on it (Bontrager Kovee XXX, 1280gm total weight) and they have been absolutely fine for the past 4 years in spite of very aggressive riding in our super chunky lava terrain. Originally on my 2020 levo, a 29er, then put a super lightweight 40 mm inner diameter rim on the rear hub when converting it to a mullet set up when the 2022 levo arrived. So I don't think you'll have any trouble with your lightweight wheelset. If I ever buy the Avinox bike in the future I will slap those wheels right on it immediately. I'm sure you'll enjoy every minute on that bike. Don't let the naysayers put you down. 
The world of online MTB has gone very "enduro or nothing". I don't even know what enduro means anymore.
I like this thread. This reminds me of the old OnOne 456 - a burly 'long travel' (by those standards 15 years ago) carbon hardtail that was designed for up to 140mm of fork travel.
But it was also one of the first affordable carbon frames, so a lot of people bought them, whacked a carbon fork on and a 1x drivetrain to make a super lightweight rigid cruiser. Very fun.
I like this thread. This reminds me of the old OnOne 456 - a burly 'long travel' (by those standards 15 years ago) carbon hardtail that was designed for up to 140mm of fork travel.
But it was also one of the first affordable carbon frames, so a lot of people bought them, whacked a carbon fork on and a 1x drivetrain to make a super lightweight rigid cruiser. Very fun.
19,400kg with Taipan 29x2 40 gravity tire and carbon wheelsHi,
I bought the Amflow PL Carbon "standard" model a week ago and my goal was to reduce weight (weight of the bike, reducing my weight is another story ...).
Starting weight last week was 21456g (frame size L , with plastic pedals, ready to ride).
And today: 18460g (ready to ride)
Parts changed:
- light wheels from "Neelz Wheels" (German Shop) with Duke carbon rims and NOX hubs, Wolfpack Speed tires with Schwalbe xtralight tubes, XTR cassette: minus 2000g
- Exustar E-PM215 pedals: plus 17g
- KCNC Razor 203mm disks: minus 163g
- Procraft PRC SP2 UD Carbon seat post: minus 549g
- Selle Carbonio seat: minus 139g
- Cannondale Hologram SAVE bar: minus 175g
- SRAM AXS pod controller: minus 129g
- SRAM X01 Eagle AXS derailleur with power cord: plus 89g
- Shimano XTR disk brakes: weight loss not known, haven't weight the brakes
Weight today: 18460g (ready to ride, including bell and an air tag)
Time to ride
I know, that several parts are not for "heavy duty" bike rides, but that's not the intended use for the bike.
My goal was to reduce the Amflow below the Pro model - goal reached
Greetings from Germany
Peter
Nineteen and a half thousand kilos?
That's a lot heavier than the sub-20kg they've been advertising!
darwink1
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Rockhopper70
New Member
I was lost when you said you were running inner tubes. This sounds like a theoretical exercise rather than actually done, but I’ll be happily corrected.
Brake rotors looks inadequate, what a place to look to save weight.
Brake rotors looks inadequate, what a place to look to save weight.
