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because we were talking about Focus bikes

Wow have you ever seen worse welding? Absolutely horrible. Looks like a welding class 101 first project. Look at that lower shock mount!

New Shimano EP8 may have 756 Wh battery option?? This is a press release from Focus for the new Jam2 (actually looks pretty good) "Conquers new mountains: the FOCUS JAM² is all-out fun on the trail. Supported by the Bosch Performance CX (Gen.4) e-drive with 625 Wh or the Shimano e-drive with...

I think this is the real deal look for 2021, with EP8. I am liking this! Much better than 2020. Less bulky. Cleaner.

Intense Tazer looks like a pregnant guppy. Not going to work for me at all where emtb's are illegal on trails. Trek and Commencal could pass for analog from not-too-close.

What other lighter bikes are you looking at? I'm thinking Trek 9.8, which is just under 50lbs. Not sure 3 lbs or so (+/- 1 kg) will make a big difference in my decision. Any well equipped bikes in the same price range ($7k US) that are substantially lighter, say 45 lbs? I've seen some reviews of...

In 2019 there was a model above Race (which I bought) I think Signature, that was full Fox Factory. So at least 3 levels for 2019. I will probably go "team" or Signature or whatever the hell as there is only a $500 difference according to US rep.

I think the Essential (green above) is the base model right? SLX/Deore/Fox 38. Team is SRAM GX Eagle, ZEB Ultimate, Code RSC. So what's in the middle?

SHIMANO DU-EP800Max. torque: 85N.m, 250W

Very cool! New motor looks much smaller, obvious frame changes, looks like fox 38 is an option as well as ZEB

Just got a price update: Top tier team around $7k, next level down (unclear on the name, but like old Race I assume) $6500 but "prices subject to change". Sounds good if that holds upon release.

Good points. I initially tried to get the E-Sommet here in the US but no can do. But now one of my top needs is stealth. E-mtbs are banned in all parks in my county (any class) so I dont want a big battery hanging off the frame like my 2019 meta power. Plenty of people ride ebikes there anyway...

So did you have a Rail 9.8 before? I am currently debating Trek Rail 9.8 or new (2021) Commencal meta power which will have new Shimano E9000, 600+watt/hr battery and Zeb fork. But I also have Orbea on my radar. So for all you Rail owners: apparently the "knocking noise" etc for the new CX...

My concern as well, and hence my interest in carbon frames; not for the carbon "feel" but the weight. Whatever your bike philosophy, weight matters and always will. Is it worth thousands to save a few ounces? Not for me. But would I spend more to save several pounds? Well maybe. Trek Rail...

Didnt catch that the cheaper one indeed uses E7000, so that's off the list for sure.

Hmm just found out Pivot makes a cheaper GX Shuttle model now for 8k, same price as Rail 9.8, not sure where MetaPower mid and top kit prices will end up but if close I got some decidin' to do. That bike weighs only 45 lbs and metapower aint no lightweight.

Curious why you dont like carbon for MTB's? Many feel the opposite. I love my Santa Cruz. Agree Commencal puts together great packages for a good price.

Ok I sort of see where they are coming from with pollution etc, but really? Bike frames? Not recyclable like aluminum? How many bike frames end up in a recycling bin? And the video from Pole on the above link is comically bereft of any content. He threads a cable though a frame while mumbling...

Hmm well OK not sure what that means, unless all carbon frames are made in sweat shops overseas, in which case no one at Commencal should be using and iPhone, they must think there are health concerns? Anyway, looks like they aint doing carbon in any case.