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thread getting quite off topic. @Fx1 your points on the SL are fair, I don't think people here are naive about what they're buying.

I own a Levo. I rode the Canyon a bit, got pedal strikes but it's a dependable, forgiving platform and much better VFM than Specialized. I also thought the back end was a bit bloated with that 2.8 tyre, was a friend's bike so couldn't change it. A lighter tyre may well liven it up a bit. Check...

but. it's. not. the. same. bike.

Yeah Peter I wish it too. But let's keep it real, these are just expensive toys. Plenty of people out there using food banks just to get through the week. "Affordability" is very relative. Bummer about the motors, that's not great. A lot of people stretch to afford these things, they need to...

Each to their own mate, enjoy your YT. Yes Spesh are good marketers. Nothing wrong with that, business is business, no one's being exploited by expensive ebikes.

Yeah but I don't want a YT Decoy. Right now the only bike in the short chainstay lightweight 29" sector is the SL. Yeah they're pricey. It's a market, buy it or don't. We all have choice. I want an SL but I think I'll sit it out for now - a test ride may change that tho. But I'm 53. The...

hey buddy.

300g would take a chunk back of the weight difference alloy -> carbon.

@73Steff looks sweet will you do this on commission?

^^ looks OK to me, I don't get all the hate. Quite a lot of seat post showing!

Toby Pantling, who races enduro and owns Ace Bicycles in Merrow, talked about this at the chat day. He was asked which of the 2 models he's choose for events and he said the SL because it's much easier to 'pedal through' the assistance speed limit. (which is 16mph here in UK).

I've got several sets of those on a shelf in the garage.

sweet, enjoy.

I ride at night quite a bit, sometimes on my Levo sometimes not, so a 1-bike-only light wouldn't work for me. It's a solution looking for a problem. Plus here in the UK we have Exposure lights - they're very good and last for years.

it sits in a bottle cage ....

is a emtb hardtail simply not gonna spin out the rear wheel when some power is applied?

it's a commercial strategy. all business are basically, in one form or other, banks. they have £xxx and they want to turn it into £xxx*y% they think ebikes are going become the norm, they want to own the space. SL allows them to: * create a new niche and establish leadership. divide and...

I'm no expert but the components are designed to handle a weight range. I won't say it makes no difference but within that range I don't know that "I'm lighter therefore need less suspension" really holds.

your weight's not really a factor, you just tune the shock to match. I would think you'd be fine on 140mm for the riding you describe. Do you want to push around 160mm just for the 5% of time it's a (small) benefit? That's your decision.

bizarre. I don't think anyone here in the UK will bat an eyelid, and they'll sell plenty.