Mission Control Understanding Support vs Peak Power in Mission Control App v2.0

Sally

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Oct 29, 2018
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Hi,
I have been riding my 2016 Levo for about 18 months and became used to applying more pressure on the pedals in order to get pedal assist. In the last couple of weeks, Trail mode is letting me down! It is set to 50/100 but when climbing, I get the full weight of the bike and incline on my legs for short periods of time. My cadence is as even as possible in this situation, fairly rough terrain. I have found that Eco , set at 30/100 is more consistent in power output. On the rare times I use Turbo, 100/100, I have not noticed a problem. Does the motor need a service, it has done about 3500km? The rear wheel circumference on Mission Control is set at only 2000mm, way too small. No real Specialised specialists for hundreds of km.
Cheers
 

simcro

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Nov 27, 2019
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Thatcham
Good question - firstly - here's a link to the User Guide. Secondly, below is more detailed clarification that may help some.

Support = the multiplier of rider power added by the motor
Peak Power = maximum electrical power available to supply the motor

In terms of support, each e-Bike motor is slightly different. 100% on the slider means 4.1x rider power for 2019 Levo (2.1 motor), 3.8x for 2018 Levo (1.3 motor) and 3.2x for older Levo (1.2)

When you talk about motor power, bear in mind that two types of power regularly get confused when discussing e-bikes:

a) Electrical input power (battery power that the motor consumes)
b) Mechanical output power (motor power that is added to rider power at the crank)

Mission Control (+ all other apps using ANT data) measure the electrical input power to the motor (Battery Voltage x Current). This is what you see if you view the stats page whilst riding, and it's what you limit when you reduce peak power - if you reduce peak power to 50% you're effectively limiting the motor to draw up to 50% of maximum permitted battery current. Reducing peak power therefore helps you to preserve battery life/range.

In the real world, what you actually care about/feel is the mechanical output power of the motor. Motors are not 100% efficient, some power is lost to heat so let's use 75% efficiency as an arbitrary estimate. In this example, for every 100W of electrical power the battery supplies to the motor you'd get 75W mechanical power at the crank.

However there are two other things to bear in mind - YOU are not 100% efficient either, often riding in the wrong gear and asking the motor to do all the hard work - PLUS the motor is happiest when you ride in the right gear at a good cadence - let's say 70-90 rpm. So when you're riding in optimum gear and around 80rpm, you're turning 75% of the electrical power consumed into mechanical power - but when you're riding in the wrong gear at 40rpm uphill don't expect the same results!

Below is a graph (data presented by us but measured/validated by an independent lab) showing how power varies with cadence for a number of motors - you can see that aiming for a constant cadence of around 80-90rpm will not only give you optimum power but also efficiency. Whether you are after power or range, pedaling at the right RPM makes a big difference.

View attachment 11048

To put all of this together, let's talk through the default support settings in Mission Control. You can change these to suit your riding style at any time, but let's use these as an example.

View attachment 11050

In Turbo mode on a 2019 Levo with 4.1x rider support at 100%, you'll only need to put in about 140W rider power for the motor to supply you with the maximum assist of 560W (taken from the graph above), assuming you're spinning at about 80-90 rpm. Lots of fun, also useful to get to the trail but possibly too powerful for steep climbing - especially if the ground covering is loose.

On the same bike with Support set to 35%, you're getting approx 1.5x rider support. This will feel much more natural to ride and you'll use less battery - in Trail mode with 100% peak power the motor will still reach it's maximum assist of 560W but this time you need to put in 390W rider power to get there. You get more of a work out and in practice you'll use far less battery. Aim for this mode to give you the best blend of power and efficiency so that you also have optimum control for trail riding.

In Eco mode with support set to 35% you still have approx 1.5x rider support - however you're now limited to 35% peak power (35% of 560W is approx 200W maximum motor assistance). In practice this means that you'll get linear support from the motor up until you put in about 140W rider power (200W added from the motor), but above 140W rider power you'll still only receive 200W support from the motor. This is great to preserve battery life but if you hit that peak support limit whilst climbing something steep, you have to make up all the extra with your legs.

Note: All power mentioned in this Mission Control example is mechanical power output by the motor. If you look in the stats screen of Mission Control whilst riding you will see electrical power consumed by the motor which will be higher. Re-read this article a few times and if still completely unsure...
That is a really helpful explanation and I think I now understand the difference between support and peak power, but just to be clear; if I set both sliders to 100% on each of the modes (eco, trail and turbo), are all modes providing exactly the same performance?
 

Mikerb

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Yes...the modes are just an opportunity to have different switchable levels of support
 

wrayb

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May 9, 2019
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Support = the multiplier of rider power added by the motor
Peak Power = maximum electrical power available to supply the motor

In terms of support, each e-Bike motor is slightly different. 100% on the slider means 4.1x rider power for 2019 Levo (2.1 motor), 3.8x for 2018 Levo (1.3 motor) and 3.2x for older Levo (1.2)

When you talk about motor power, bear in mind that two types of power regularly get confused when discussing e-bikes:

a) Electrical input power (battery power that the motor consumes)
b) Mechanical output power (motor power that is added to rider power at the crank)

Mission Control (+ all other apps using ANT data) measure the electrical input power to the motor (Battery Voltage x Current). This is what you see if you view the stats page whilst riding, and it's what you limit when you reduce peak power - if you reduce peak power to 50% you're effectively limiting the motor to draw up to 50% of maximum permitted battery current. Reducing peak power therefore helps you to preserve battery life/range.

In the real world, what you actually care about/feel is the mechanical output power of the motor. Motors are not 100% efficient, some power is lost to heat so let's use 75% efficiency as an arbitrary estimate. In this example, for every 100W of electrical power the battery supplies to the motor you'd get 75W mechanical power at the crank.

Specialized Rider Care, thanks for the information! I am curious as to the role the sensor for rear wheel rpm plays. Is this input simply used as a switch to turn off motor support at a given rpm (speed)? Or, is this one of the inputs used by the controller to determine how much electricity to draw from the battery (which ultimately impacts mechanical power to the cranks)?
 
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jim_m5

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Jan 19, 2020
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Good question - firstly - here's a link to the User Guide. Secondly, below is more detailed clarification that may help some.

Support = the multiplier of rider power added by the motor
Peak Power = maximum electrical power available to supply the motor

In terms of support, each e-Bike motor is slightly different. 100% on the slider means 4.1x rider power for 2019 Levo (2.1 motor), 3.8x for 2018 Levo (1.3 motor) and 3.2x for older Levo (1.2)

When you talk about motor power, bear in mind that two types of power regularly get confused when discussing e-bikes:

a) Electrical input power (battery power that the motor consumes)
b) Mechanical output power (motor power that is added to rider power at the crank)

Mission Control (+ all other apps using ANT data) measure the electrical input power to the motor (Battery Voltage x Current). This is what you see if you view the stats page whilst riding, and it's what you limit when you reduce peak power - if you reduce peak power to 50% you're effectively limiting the motor to draw up to 50% of maximum permitted battery current. Reducing peak power therefore helps you to preserve battery life/range.

In the real world, what you actually care about/feel is the mechanical output power of the motor. Motors are not 100% efficient, some power is lost to heat so let's use 75% efficiency as an arbitrary estimate. In this example, for every 100W of electrical power the battery supplies to the motor you'd get 75W mechanical power at the crank.

However there are two other things to bear in mind - YOU are not 100% efficient either, often riding in the wrong gear and asking the motor to do all the hard work - PLUS the motor is happiest when you ride in the right gear at a good cadence - let's say 70-90 rpm. So when you're riding in optimum gear and around 80rpm, you're turning 75% of the electrical power consumed into mechanical power - but when you're riding in the wrong gear at 40rpm uphill don't expect the same results!

Below is a graph (data presented by us but measured/validated by an independent lab) showing how power varies with cadence for a number of motors - you can see that aiming for a constant cadence of around 80-90rpm will not only give you optimum power but also efficiency. Whether you are after power or range, pedaling at the right RPM makes a big difference.

View attachment 11048

To put all of this together, let's talk through the default support settings in Mission Control. You can change these to suit your riding style at any time, but let's use these as an example.

View attachment 11050

In Turbo mode on a 2019 Levo with 4.1x rider support at 100%, you'll only need to put in about 140W rider power for the motor to supply you with the maximum assist of 560W (taken from the graph above), assuming you're spinning at about 80-90 rpm. Lots of fun, also useful to get to the trail but possibly too powerful for steep climbing - especially if the ground covering is loose.

On the same bike with Support set to 35%, you're getting approx 1.5x rider support. This will feel much more natural to ride and you'll use less battery - in Trail mode with 100% peak power the motor will still reach it's maximum assist of 560W but this time you need to put in 390W rider power to get there. You get more of a work out and in practice you'll use far less battery. Aim for this mode to give you the best blend of power and efficiency so that you also have optimum control for trail riding.

In Eco mode with support set to 35% you still have approx 1.5x rider support - however you're now limited to 35% peak power (35% of 560W is approx 200W maximum motor assistance). In practice this means that you'll get linear support from the motor up until you put in about 140W rider power (200W added from the motor), but above 140W rider power you'll still only receive 200W support from the motor. This is great to preserve battery life but if you hit that peak support limit whilst climbing something steep, you have to make up all the extra with your legs.

Note: All power mentioned in this Mission Control example is mechanical power output by the motor. If you look in the stats screen of Mission Control whilst riding you will see electrical power consumed by the motor which will be higher. Re-read this article a few times and if still completely unsure...

I have a 2020 Levo, what is the ration of power from that motor in the default modes. In your example above it references the 2019 motor of 4.1x at 100% 'support' and 1.5x at 35% support. I know the 2020 battery is stronger than 2019
 

mikmikcol

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Feb 7, 2019
6
0
Adeladie
Aha. It is possible that the retailer never updated your bike firmware, for a few months after Levo production started the default firmware didn't support shuttle mode. Retailers were told at launch and reminded to update bikes before handing over to riders but it is possible this didn't happen in your case. Will PM you and ask for your SN to check, but definitely going to the retailer and asking them to check your bike is up to date will not hurt.

Would you please PM to check my Serial Number? Thanks in adavance,
 

Boots3150

Member
Sep 24, 2018
23
14
Melbourne
Good question - firstly - here's a link to the User Guide. Secondly, below is more detailed clarification that may help some.

Support = the multiplier of rider power added by the motor
Peak Power = maximum electrical power available to supply the motor

In terms of support, each e-Bike motor is slightly different. 100% on the slider means 4.1x rider power for 2019 Levo (2.1 motor), 3.8x for 2018 Levo (1.3 motor) and 3.2x for older Levo (1.2)

When you talk about motor power, bear in mind that two types of power regularly get confused when discussing e-bikes:

a) Electrical input power (battery power that the motor consumes)
b) Mechanical output power (motor power that is added to rider power at the crank)

Mission Control (+ all other apps using ANT data) measure the electrical input power to the motor (Battery Voltage x Current). This is what you see if you view the stats page whilst riding, and it's what you limit when you reduce peak power - if you reduce peak power to 50% you're effectively limiting the motor to draw up to 50% of maximum permitted battery current. Reducing peak power therefore helps you to preserve battery life/range.

In the real world, what you actually care about/feel is the mechanical output power of the motor. Motors are not 100% efficient, some power is lost to heat so let's use 75% efficiency as an arbitrary estimate. In this example, for every 100W of electrical power the battery supplies to the motor you'd get 75W mechanical power at the crank.

However there are two other things to bear in mind - YOU are not 100% efficient either, often riding in the wrong gear and asking the motor to do all the hard work - PLUS the motor is happiest when you ride in the right gear at a good cadence - let's say 70-90 rpm. So when you're riding in optimum gear and around 80rpm, you're turning 75% of the electrical power consumed into mechanical power - but when you're riding in the wrong gear at 40rpm uphill don't expect the same results!

Below is a graph (data presented by us but measured/validated by an independent lab) showing how power varies with cadence for a number of motors - you can see that aiming for a constant cadence of around 80-90rpm will not only give you optimum power but also efficiency. Whether you are after power or range, pedaling at the right RPM makes a big difference.

View attachment 11048

To put all of this together, let's talk through the default support settings in Mission Control. You can change these to suit your riding style at any time, but let's use these as an example.

View attachment 11050

In Turbo mode on a 2019 Levo with 4.1x rider support at 100%, you'll only need to put in about 140W rider power for the motor to supply you with the maximum assist of 560W (taken from the graph above), assuming you're spinning at about 80-90 rpm. Lots of fun, also useful to get to the trail but possibly too powerful for steep climbing - especially if the ground covering is loose.

On the same bike with Support set to 35%, you're getting approx 1.5x rider support. This will feel much more natural to ride and you'll use less battery - in Trail mode with 100% peak power the motor will still reach it's maximum assist of 560W but this time you need to put in 390W rider power to get there. You get more of a work out and in practice you'll use far less battery. Aim for this mode to give you the best blend of power and efficiency so that you also have optimum control for trail riding.

In Eco mode with support set to 35% you still have approx 1.5x rider support - however you're now limited to 35% peak power (35% of 560W is approx 200W maximum motor assistance). In practice this means that you'll get linear support from the motor up until you put in about 140W rider power (200W added from the motor), but above 140W rider power you'll still only receive 200W support from the motor. This is great to preserve battery life but if you hit that peak support limit whilst climbing something steep, you have to make up all the extra with your legs.

Note: All power mentioned in this Mission Control example is mechanical power output by the motor. If you look in the stats screen of Mission Control whilst riding you will see electrical power consumed by the motor which will be higher. Re-read this article a few times and if still completely unsure...
Great post that I like to read regularly... LOL
Now we have the Levo SL in the mix lets talk about adjusting the power on our Levo (Full Fat) to go on rides with these SL’s.
Am I right in assuming it should be just a matter of limiting peak power to 45% of our available 560W (560x0.45=250W for maximum motor assistance) to mimic PP of 240W on the SL. (Extra 10W should cover to 4kg bike weight difference for 80kg rider)
From there rider support is personal preference for both SL rider and FF rider.
Let me know your thoughts or test results from seat of the pants Dyno.... oooh am completely forgetting about torque. How is the torque curve affected by limiting power? Is it the torque we should be trying to match?
 

Levo Laland

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Acceleration response to zero. Support levels at half the default settings on the SL as full fat max assist is x4 and SL only x2?
 

ChuckK

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Mar 15, 2020
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Hi everybody. I'm a new owner of a 2020 Specialized Levo Comp and I have a question. I appreciate people suggesting that riding on Eco with a setting of 10% Assist, 30% peak power is similar to a regular Stumpjumper. I used that setting on my typical ride up a mesa near my house yesterday. The ride felt a little easier and was about 7% faster than on my Giant Anthem 29 cross country bike with similar Maxxis tires. (Note: I weigh 195 lbs.) Also, the BLEvo app indicated that the total energy for the ride was 110 Wh divided as 66 Wh (60%) biker and 44 Wh (40%) from the battery. 40% of the total energy coming from the battery seems like a lot to just make up for the motor/battery weight and any added motor friction. (Of course, the mechanical motor output energy is less than the electric energy coming out of the battery due to the motor inefficiency.) I would like to find a setting equivalent to a regular mountain bike so when I'm riding with friends I don't leave them in the dust and I get a similar workout. Any thoughts?
 

Levo Laland

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Hi everybody. I'm a new owner of a 2020 Specialized Levo Comp and I have a question. I appreciate people suggesting that riding on Eco with a setting of 10% Assist, 30% peak power is similar to a regular Stumpjumper. I used that setting on my typical ride up a mesa near my house yesterday. The ride felt a little easier and was about 7% faster than on my Giant Anthem 29 cross country bike with similar Maxxis tires. (Note: I weigh 195 lbs.) Also, the BLEvo app indicated that the total energy for the ride was 110 Wh divided as 66 Wh (60%) biker and 44 Wh (40%) from the battery. 40% of the total energy coming from the battery seems like a lot to just make up for the motor/battery weight and any added motor friction. (Of course, the mechanical motor output energy is less than the electric energy coming out of the battery due to the motor inefficiency.) I would like to find a setting equivalent to a regular mountain bike so when I'm riding with friends I don't leave them in the dust and I get a similar workout. Any thoughts?
To make it like a normal bike you’d need to set PP to about 5%. Bike weight difference is about 8kgs, times an average rider output of around 3 watts per kg = 25watts max as assistance. 25 watts as a proportion of 560 max from motor is 5% rounded. With peak power set that low the assistance level isn’t going to make much difference, so it may as well be 100%, meaning you’ll always be getting the max 25watt assistance. To make the power as even as possible is this weird setting I’d also crank up the shuttle setting to make the delivery more cadence than torque biased.
 
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ChuckK

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To make it like a normal bike you’d need to set PP to about 5%. Bike weight difference is about 8kgs, times an average rider output of around 3 watts per kg = 25watts max as assistance. 25 watts as a proportion of 560 max from motor is 5% rounded. With peak power set that low the assistance level isn’t going to make much difference, so it may as well be 100%, meaning you’ll always be getting the max 25watt assistance. To make the power as even as possible is this weird setting I’d also crank up the shuttle setting to make the delivery more cadence than torque biased.
Thanks. So are you recommending 10% assist, 5% peak power instead of 10% assist, 30% peak power?
 

ChuckK

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I’m not recommending it, but I think that 100% assistance and 5% peak power will give you the desired results.
Thanks. I ride alone more often than with friends, and the e-bike allows for longer and faster rides, as well as being easier on old knees when climbing. But I do like knowing what the equivalent setting to a regular Stumpjumper is.
 

JohnnyG

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Munich
I think you are quite close to a regular Stumpi with your setting at 10% since you are only 7% faster than a normal bike. I personally would try to get close to an equal time to your normal bike (- 7% slower up the hill). I think 5% might be too slow then. In MC you can only set 5% steps but with Blevo you have 1% steps available, so maybe try 8% support and ride up the same hill
 

JD74

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Hi all, I am a newbie to this world having recently purchased a second-hand Levo FSR Fattie. I am getting to grips with Mission Control but I cannot set different levels of peak power for each level of support (ie Eco/Trail/Turbo). When I try to change the peak power in any specific support level, it automatically matches my input across all modes. I have tried to reload the app, tried to set up new presets, etc. No joy. Any tips?
 

Levo Laland

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Hi all, I am a newbie to this world having recently purchased a second-hand Levo FSR Fattie. I am getting to grips with Mission Control but I cannot set different levels of peak power for each level of support (ie Eco/Trail/Turbo). When I try to change the peak power in any specific support level, it automatically matches my input across all modes. I have tried to reload the app, tried to set up new presets, etc. No joy. Any tips?
Maybe your bike needs a firmware update.
 

Mikerb

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Maybe your bike needs a firmware update.
What happens if you reset to the default settings? At default peak power is 100% for trail and turbo but only 35% for eco. The Infinite Tune function was a later modification to MC but clearly would not function with early firmware versions so the previous advice to get the firmware updated seems your best bet.
 

Specialized Rider Care

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Hi all, I am a newbie to this world having recently purchased a second-hand Levo FSR Fattie. I am getting to grips with Mission Control but I cannot set different levels of peak power for each level of support (ie Eco/Trail/Turbo). When I try to change the peak power in any specific support level, it automatically matches my input across all modes. I have tried to reload the app, tried to set up new presets, etc. No joy. Any tips?

Infinite tune on the Gen 1 Levo was unlocked with a battery FW update which is what you primarily need - as other riders are suggesting. We'd always recommend a full-bike update however.
 

bartoPL

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Hi,
Check the Mission Control software version you have, e.g. X.22 (X.16.3) or older. The latest that Infinity Tune supports is X.23 (X.17.1).
As @Specialized Rider Care said, you need to update the battery software at local Specialized service (it's best to update the entire ebike).
 

MikeInThePeaks

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Infinite tune on the Gen 1 Levo was unlocked with a battery FW update which is what you primarily need - as other riders are suggesting. We'd always recommend a full-bike update however.
I don’t know if it does it already but a further function to match a non powered bike might be to take into account inclination. Maybe a separate inclinometer connected to the TCU via BT or from phone? clearly a barometer or GPS based reading would never be sensitive enough.

Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
 

Careyj1

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Any one setting up there level 3 with 100% support, 100% peak power, 100% shuttle, 100% acceleration? I am testing the different levels. On level 3 I had 100%Su, PP and 80% Sh and 40% A and had a stick take out 5 spokes and the derailleur on my third ride on the new bike. I was climb up a hill and stopped as soon as I heard the stick but it was too late. I got the bike fixed and I have been running, level 3 with 100% S, PP and 80% S and 0% A. I need to try increasing the A to see how it effects the power delivery. Thanks
 

Levo Laland

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Any one setting up there level 3 with 100% support, 100% peak power, 100% shuttle, 100% acceleration? I am testing the different levels. On level 3 I had 100%Su, PP and 80% Sh and 40% A and had a stick take out 5 spokes and the derailleur on my third ride on the new bike. I was climb up a hill and stopped as soon as I heard the stick but it was too late. I got the bike fixed and I have been running, level 3 with 100% S, PP and 80% S and 0% A. I need to try increasing the A to see how it effects the power delivery. Thanks
Are you running Turbo Levo or SL. If the full fat Levo then I wouldn’t have thought that many would be using that setting as it is not appropriate for most trail riding situations. I’d liken it to the Ludicrous mode on a Tesla car and mission control should ask if you are sure you want to engage those settings! 100% everything will basically deliver full power 25O or 560 watts as soon as you turn the pedals and you won’t have to apply much force to the pedals either.
The impact of adjusting shuttle is quite subtle as l it just increases power delivery at high cadences so make spinning up long fire road climbs less of a chore. Acceleration response however you can really feel the increments, personally run 20% acceleration and wouldn’t go above 40% on a full Levo as it makes technical riding difficult to manage. You could go more on the SL as the absolute power limit is a third of the full Levo. Full assistance, power and acceleration on anything technical, loose or steep isn’t going to end well. Plus your muscles will be doing almost nothing in Ludicrous mode and it will be killing the battery. It’s important to get the balance right on acceleration response as it applies across all modes, so It sould be the setting you give the most consideration and change before you ride different places or different disciplines XC, Trail, Enduro etc. Most of the above is more relevant to the full Levo or Kenevo and less so the SL. Hope my ramblings are of use.
 

Careyj1

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Are you running Turbo Levo or SL. If the full fat Levo then I wouldn’t have thought that many would be using that setting as it is not appropriate for most trail riding situations. I’d liken it to the Ludicrous mode on a Tesla car and mission control should ask if you are sure you want to engage those settings! 100% everything will basically deliver full power 25O or 560 watts as soon as you turn the pedals and you won’t have to apply much force to the pedals either.
The impact of adjusting shuttle is quite subtle as l it just increases power delivery at high cadences so make spinning up long fire road climbs less of a chore. Acceleration response however you can really feel the increments, personally run 20% acceleration and wouldn’t go above 40% on a full Levo as it makes technical riding difficult to manage. You could go more on the SL as the absolute power limit is a third of the full Levo. Full assistance, power and acceleration on anything technical, loose or steep isn’t going to end well. Plus your muscles will be doing almost nothing in Ludicrous mode and it will be killing the battery. It’s important to get the balance right on acceleration response as it applies across all modes, so It sould be the setting you give the most consideration and change before you ride different places or different disciplines XC, Trail, Enduro etc. Most of the above is more relevant to the full Levo or Kenevo and less so the SL. Hope my ramblings are of use.

Thanks that helps. I have the Sworks Turbo Levo 2019, I have raced a lot of motorcycles (dirt bikes) and I currently race XC mountain bikes, so I like to go fast. After the stick took out my derailleur, I did put the acceleration back to zero.
On my bike, you can adjust the acceleration and shuttle for each mode. I have seen a few posts that state that acceleration and shuttle are global but on my app I have different levels for each mode.

I would love to know which uses more power, Support, Shuttle, Acceleration.
 

Levo Laland

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Thanks that helps. I have the Sworks Turbo Levo 2019, I have raced a lot of motorcycles (dirt bikes) and I currently race XC mountain bikes, so I like to go fast. After the stick took out my derailleur, I did put the acceleration back to zero.
On my bike, you can adjust the acceleration and shuttle for each mode. I have seen a few posts that state that acceleration and shuttle are global but on my app I have different levels for each mode.

I would love to know which uses more power, Support, Shuttle, Acceleration.
Support as this is how much power the motor puts out relative to your own efforts. Acceleration is how quickly that power comes in and shuttle means more power is delivered at higher cadences. I almost had a mech written off by a twig, took the hanger and bent the cage up.
 

Levo Laland

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You might be interested in this post I made:

100 mile range from a Turbo Levo with 500w battery! Normal bike SIM settings. - EMTB Forums

It focused on maximising range, but these settings can be used fix the assistance at a defined wattage assistance which you might find useful for road or XC rides. Each 10% segment of Peak Power is approximately 56watts (100% = 560watts). Here support mode is 100% so power delivery is constantly and safe to max acceleration if restricting PP to sensible levels.
 

Careyj1

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You might be interested in this post I made:

100 mile range from a Turbo Levo with 500w battery! Normal bike SIM settings. - EMTB Forums

It focused on maximising range, but these settings can be used fix the assistance at a defined wattage assistance which you might find useful for road or XC rides. Each 10% segment of Peak Power is approximately 56watts (100% = 560watts). Here support mode is 100% so power delivery is constantly and safe to max acceleration if restricting PP to sensible levels.

I think I am going to test this today on a road ride, 40 to 50 miles, road. I will report back.
 

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