Nope. I had family fighting on both sides and the one thing my elders constantly hammered into me as a child was to stand up for what I believe in. If people did that our world would be a vastly different place - and by standing up for what you believe in, that is NOT the bullshit the greenies and the left are currently doing that involves destruction of property, but constructing well thought out arguments, engaging with your area and letting those that are elected know that they are YOUR employees and unless they work for their constituents they are on borrowed time.
Sadly, the EU is a completely undemocratic body that needs to be squashed ASAP.
I do feel however that the damage is already done and we can only hope that Brexit leads to other countries pulling the plug on that bloated beauracracy.
At last somebody that's not a sheep following the herd. ?Nope. I had family fighting on both sides and the one thing my elders constantly hammered into me as a child was to stand up for what I believe in. If people did that our world would be a vastly different place - and by standing up for what you believe in, that is NOT the bullshit the greenies and the left are currently doing that involves destruction of property, but constructing well thought out arguments, engaging with your area and letting those that are elected know that they are YOUR employees and unless they work for their constituents they are on borrowed time.
Sadly, the EU is a completely undemocratic body that needs to be squashed ASAP.
I do feel however that the damage is already done and we can only hope that Brexit leads to other countries pulling the plug on that bloated beauracracy.
Exactly. The random restriction figures are something some so-called Expert came up with.
Completely arbitrary and in my mind unrealistic - just like limiting an automobile to whatever speed limit your country has.
While I agree to some extent I am then even more grateful that I can ride my bike anywhere I want with assistance to 32km/h legally. When I ride in places where there is a chance that I can hit someone or something I have the common sense to back off. My government trust me and I'm thankful.While I think 25km restriction is rediculous, I am forever grateful that (in Australia and a Europe) I can ride my ebike where ever I like!
I would rather have the freedom to ride my bike with assistance up to 25km than to have to ride a non assigned bike.
Be great full people!
That is just plain wrong. Do your research please. A reduction in speed limit from 30mph to 20mph results in a reduction of casualties by 40-60%. (Google it if you don't believe me, but here's a BMJ article of a properly conducted study to assist you.)
At last somebody that's not a sheep following the herd. ?
?He lives in New Zealand .. he's normally following the herd - but for different reasons ...
And your point is? If my bike is limited to 25 and I ride it at 40 by pedaling it past 25? The impact at 32 or 40 is the same whether I have restricted the bike or not.
If we go that route, we could reduct casualities by 100% if we ban all motored vehicles. Is that the goal?
My point was:
1) Arguing that a speed of 32kph is no different to a speed of 25kph, because any technical evaluation can show that is just not the case. You are actually making just the opposite case.
--- limiting the support is not going to lower the speed because people will still power past the support level. The accident at an unsupported 32 km/h is going to be just as big as the one at a supported 32 km/h.
2) There is NO speed limit at 25kph. There is a support level limit. You can pedal up to the actual speed limit (if on the road) or as fast as your little legs will take you.
-- Exactly! But raising the support level to 32 km/h will stop people from restricting their bikes because they won't have to and it doesn't mean people are going to necessarily ride faster. Common sense should prevail just as with a car where you can drive at insane speeds but people stick to speed restrictions which I am not against.
3) In Europe the major market for eBikes is not mountain biking. It is commuter road bikes. It's been a long time since I lived in South Africa, but I do not remember much any commuter cycling. (But I do remember having to have a 357 strapped very obviously to my leg to convince the idiots not to knock me off in the very few attempts at road biking.) The priorities are different to just a bit of riding between trails.
-- Correct on both points. We are built tough here and I lived on a farm until just more than a year ago where we were an even greater target for just being there.
Most of the unrestriction solutions like Blueped, Greenped etc. has that functionality. On the Giant you can decide which button on the controller you want to use. Must people use either the walk assist button or the light button for that purpose. The problem is if you have it installed whether you use it or not, France proposes to fine and impound despite the fact that it didn't limit your speed but merely makes it sightly more difficult to ride at the higher speed. So leave your bike unrestricted, switch your support off completely and ride at 40 km/h killing a pedestrian and to be okay. Just don't have a device installed on your bike capable of supporting your pedaling over 25km/h. This is how ridiculous the whole kneejerk proposed legislation is. And remember France is part of the Euro Union so what are the test of the European Countries going to do? Surely they'll resist out am I naive?It would be nice if there was a switch that we could use to easily switch between street legal (25kph) and trail legal (xxkph). Then we could easily obey laws where needed and have fun in the woods.
Most of the unrestriction solutions like Blueped, Greenped etc. has that functionality. On the Giant you can decide which button on the controller you want to use. Must people use either the walk assist button or the light button for that purpose. The problem is if you have it installed whether you use it or not, France proposes to fine and impound despite the fact that it didn't limit your speed but merely makes it sightly more difficult to ride at the higher speed. So leave your bike unrestricted, switch your support off completely and ride at 40 km/h killing a pedestrian and to be okay. Just don't have a device installed on your bike capable of supporting your pedaling over 25km/h. This is how ridiculous the whole kneejerk proposed legislation is. And remember France is part of the Euro Union so what are the test of the European Countries going to do? Surely they'll resist out am I naive?
For Shimano there is software (don't know the name, that my brother uses on his Meridas that you can use to set everything completely configurable. His bikes were imported to SA from Europe, so he bought the US spec software and can now change between the different restrictions. For the older Levos there was a crowd that provided software where you could change the wheel size and then it would take the limit off. On the Giant and other Yamaha motored bikes you need a plug in dongle which activates the software and implement the changes, but that would be instantly recognizable if you inspect the bike. Blueped, Redped, Greenpad and Blackped are the most well know.I don't know STunlocker and what motors it covers.How about if I use STunlocker or similar app to change the speed limit only to higher speeds when I am in forest and use 25kph limit otherwise? Is it legal according to France?
It would depend on if the forest was privately owned or public land. I have several thousand hectares of private forest on the doorstep.. but that links to some public sections.How about if I use STunlocker or similar app to change the speed limit only to higher speeds when I am in forest and use 25kph limit otherwise? Is it legal according to France?
That is just plain wrong. Do your research please. A reduction in speed limit from 30mph to 20mph results in a reduction of casualties by 40-60%. (Google it if you don't believe me, but here's a BMJ article of a properly conducted study to assist you.)
That is why I had to move to a remote place in south west Wales as he was taking all my hot blonde girlfriends away from meHe lives in New Zealand .. he's normally following the herd - but for different reasons ...
Now please let's move on to nicer topics and go for a nice ride on our restricted and unrestricted eMtb's ?
So your wife is the reason you now only ride at 25 km/h ??. We fortunately don't have the level of crime that you experienced here in paradise.Wernher, I think we agree on more points than we disagree. And those on which we disagree, probably more on semantics than substance.
I'd love to take you up on the visit... but there's the small matter of my wife's outstanding 30 days in jail for all her unpaid traffic fines.
(She left SA well before me - took fright when someone dumped a body on our drive and then tried to strangle our housekeeper. She took our son and flew out immediately. I stayed to clear up and sell up. I found out about the fines when the arresting officer turned up ).
So your wife is the reason you now only ride at 25 km/h ??. We fortunately don't have the level of crime that you experienced here in paradise.
Well if you do happen to land here some day you're welcome. eMTb's have been a bit slow to come into SA with initially only Spec and a couple of Chinese hub motor models but now the dam wall has burst and there is no stopping it. Here in the Eastern Cape we have a very healthy eMtb community.
Keep the death off the roads. Ride on the pavements ?
Reality is that I've always said these hyper cars and bikes make no sense at all as there is only a short stretch of autobahn where you can give them free reign and the truth is that this is probably as you say very true short-lived.Nah... I've had to slow down a bit from increasing age causing decreasing reaction times. Going from a (fraction under) 300km/hr bike to a 255km/hr car (limited by German car manufacturers) to a 25km/hr bike has been a big change
BTW, I spent the last 15 years in Germany before moving to Spain. Those limitless parts of the Autobahn have all but disappeared. Mostly because of the now very international traffic the Autobahns carry. Too many people pull out into the outside lane not expecting anything to be approaching at the speed of light. Too many idiots towing caravans/trailers also pulling out into that lane, and trucks too, just expecting the folks already there to be able to slow down to their snail's crawl. All illegal but unstoppable, so the speed limits came in.
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