I think this might be him with his mask and hood removed:
Looks like a one armed bandit ?
Is that a wave ? or is he just cramped after a long session on the decision making machine ?
SAS-TEC makes 3D viscoelastic foam in a soft, malleable form and their range of protectors made of viscoelastic foam are specially notable for surpassing all CE standards set for body armor. Many of their knee and elbow protectors surpass the EN 1621-1:2012 in both Level 1 and Level 2 (Level 2 being the highest standard), and the SAS-TEC 1/02 protector is one of the knee/elbow protectors that surpasses the Level-2 standard with flying colors.
SAS-TEC 1/02 Protector Specifications
Here’s what’s claimed by SAS-TEC with regards to their 1/02 armor protectors:
- Level-2 certified as per the EN 1621-1:2012 standard.
- Suitable as knee, elbow and shoulder protection.
- Weighs 72 grams approximately.
- Measures 25 centimeters long, 16 centimeters wide and 1.1 centimeters thick.
- Two protector pads are sold as a set and they’re both symmetrical (i.e. both share the exact same shape).
In terms of how big the 1/02 protector is compared to the competition, it is definitively big and is the same overall size as the D3O T5 Evo Pro-K knee protector D3O Evo X Pro Knee Armour Protector Inserts For Motorcycle Trousers [Pair] (CE Level 2)
How Much Impact Energy Is Required To Break Ribs Or Vertebrae?
It is estimated that a lowly 5 kilonewtons of force is enough to break ribs and even vertebrae. Moreover, the medical community in Europe has been pushing for a new certified level for back protectors that limits the transferred energy to just 5 kilonewtons (that or to update the current Level-2 limit). This is why you should wear back armor that is certified as Level 2 and which yields an impact-absorbing performance that’s a good bit less than the 9-kN limit for Level-2 certification.
Bones and joints in the limbs can sustain higher-energy impacts, but you will be doing yourself a big favor by only wearing Level-2 certified limb armor and not Level-1 certified armor.
Why is it so many new Emtb riders compare what they're doing to riding motorcycles?
It actually confuses me why reletive newcomers to mtb seem to think they *need* a high level of body armour to ride.
Yeah, you'll make mistakes and fall/crash as a beginner but most falls are generally fairly unlikely to be serious unless you're really pushing the skills curve past your comfort zone. Risk assessment and protective gear are a good idea but it's the former that makes most difference of the two. No armour is genuinely comfortable to ride a pushbike in and heavy duty full body coverage armour is actually pretty hot, restrictive and uncomfortable in that respect.
What sort of riding are you doing that you feel you need motorcycle level 2 armour and spine protection?
Not sure who "they" are. But if you genuinely want to learn by "others" mistakes. You're on the right track with "prevention". But prevention would include not pushing yourself past your comfort zone too quickly or before you have the required skill and making the same mistakes that injured them. This would be learning by their mistakes as much as buying a ton of armour from day 2 would.Best cure is prevention... I try to learn by others mistakes and they all start with how they broke something then armoured up
Over the years riding singletrack at high speeds I've been thankful once or twice for wearing quality armour. Also a few times I wished I had it on.Best cure is prevention...I try to learn by others mistakes and they all start with how they broke something then armoured up...no brainer to me. Ironically I hear all the time ribs or collar bones are the ones that get broken yet I’ve zero coverage here!
I wonder about that too. I've badly broken an ankle / foot and had stitches in a knee in the last few years - but a long time between those injuries. I've come off a lot, mostly due to pedal problems with limited ankle / foot use, but nothing major. Nothing I could wear, and ride in, would have saved my ankle / foot. I can understand zimmerframe because he has a thing for trees and broken ribs are very sobering. Then I see dudes ride outrageous stuff with minimal gear - other than a helmet though, I'm not sure anything else would help them much. For me if it was too much bother I probably wouldn't ride; but that has nothing to do with anything. Wear what you're comfortable with.Why is it so many new Emtb riders compare what they're doing to riding motorcycles?
It actually confuses me why reletive newcomers to mtb seem to think they *need* a high level of body armour to ride.
Yeah, you'll make mistakes and fall/crash as a beginner but most falls are generally fairly unlikely to be serious unless you're really pushing the skills curve past your comfort zone. Risk assessment and protective gear are a good idea but it's the former that makes most difference of the two. No armour is genuinely comfortable to ride a pushbike in and heavy duty full body coverage armour is actually pretty hot, restrictive and uncomfortable in that respect.
What sort of riding are you doing that you feel you need motorcycle level 2 armour and spine protection?
Not sure who "they" are. But if you genuinely want to learn by "others" mistakes. You're on the right track with "prevention". But prevention would include not pushing yourself past your comfort zone too quickly or before you have the required skill and making the same mistakes that injured them. This would be learning by their mistakes as much as buying a ton of armour from day 2 would.
By all means do "armour up" but.don't expect LEVELING UP on it to make you invincible like playing a computer game and thinking any armour is able to stop rib or collar bone breaks from happening is quite naive
Chill a little on worrying about having to have all the "best" gear and enjoy the learning process of biking, the skills that come with it and gradual improvements as they come. The learning curve has peaks and troughs and along the way you'll definitely have a few offs. Talking of which, crashing/bailing safely is actually an important skill to learn too.
Leeds bike park looks an ideal place to gain experience and skills.
Enjoy
Over the years riding singletrack at high speeds I've been thankful once or twice for wearing quality armour. Also a few times I wished I had it on.
The Demon with SAS-tech is chunky but will protect important bits.
Your clavical is a sacrificial bone and generally breaks when a rider falls and outstretches an arm in panic and the force is transmitted through the arm to the collar bone. So yes. I can say type2 armour won't change that type of injury .
Ribs form a protective cage for the more important organs beneath. And ribs on their own are actually fairly weak. Hence why armour can't stop you from breaking them in a direct impact. It may help protect them slightly from smaller impacts though.
I'm not sure where you're getting the 24% ? Are you sure this isn't just different sizes ? If you look at my Forcefield review, the Size Small Bakc is larger than the Racer Size Medium back - though if you tried a small forcefield and a large racer, the racer back might be longer.I measured my level 1 D30 pads and they seemed to be 24% shorter than lvl2 although similar widths so not only do they protect adequately but also offer better coverage. I love my racer motion 2 top but the more I ride the more I realise the wrong type of air time is coming my way and the smaller lvl 1 pads are just going to give me 24% less protection....
I'm not sure where you're getting the 24% ? Are you sure this isn't just different sizes ? If you look at my Forcefield review, the Size Small Bakc is larger than the Racer Size Medium back - though if you tried a small forcefield and a large racer, the racer back might be longer.
Theoretically, the BP4 backs are the same size if they're CE1 or CE2 :
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I'm not sure which one Scott is using, as their CE2 back is a different shape to their CE1 back.
There's some comparison photo's of the two on the Forcefield review. The Forcefield shoulders are definitely larger, the picture oddly doesn't do the size difference justice. The D3O ones sit inside them quite easily.I think it was the shoulder pads I'd measured, I think you have both the pro motion 2 and the Forcefield, you should find the CE2 pads are bigger, I'd also read that part of being CE2 meant they also had to be larger in size, if you check the thickness the CE2 is quite abit thicker 16mm vs 21mm regarding the back protection but interesting to see the other dimensions are the same, I didn't realise the back was that much smaller when I just ordered.....
Where is the place selling these for £43 ?Incidentally I’ve found a place selling these for £43 Scott Scott Softcon 2 Knee Guards | Motocross, Enduro, Trail, Trial | GreenlandMX but turns out I’m oddly proportioned.....my thigh is 41 and my calf is 42 so would anyone know is it better to aim for the correct calf or thigh size? Im a large in thigh but XL in calf
Scrotal anomalies have been reported to account for 45- 46% of injured cases
Scrotal anomalies have been reported to account for 45- 46% of injured cases
???? Well Gary will be part of the 15% I think! Honestly I see it coming, I was zipping down a trail and there were multiple occasions where any split second error could end badly! The small trees I noticed come close to you and I’m like, ah this half egg shell on my head will do sweet fk all to stop me looking like Sam Pilgrim if I don’t level some of this shiz up!Most accidents are part of a balls up !
Another quote :
It is reported that 85% of mountain bike riders will experience some sort of trauma during a season
I feel so much more normal all of a sudden .. it won't last ...
But my goodness, has the world gone mad? I can’t buy the Lazer Evo FF Large anywhere
No scrotal injuries there for sure!! Cheers for the link, I took the Forcefield back in the end, the elbow pads are the size of knee pads but the ’freefit’ system I’m not sure whether they mould over time but they slip further down my arm then I’m happy with. The Racer is perfectly central on me but after trying them all the CE1 pads are token gesture when you compare.....such a shame the racer top chest is stitched up! I would have just upgraded to CE2 sas-tech or SAS-TEC SC-1/02 Elbow/Knee Protectors - buy cheap ▷ FC-Moto and the back maybe then the front.Gary's balls are so big they're like two giant sperm filled Zorbs capable of deflecting anything which may cause injury.
There's been a few FF threads which might help you out ..
Selfishly, I can only immediately remember this one ..
Which Enduro Full face ? Fox ProFrame or Endura MT500 Full - Other ?
As someone who rides faster than their ability (anything above 0kph) I fall off a lot. After a nasty crash and concussion last year I bought a Smiths Forefront 2 with Koroyd - as I wanted something with a crumple zone. I have an automatic monthly purchase for these on Amazon to keep me in...www.emtbforums.com
I think I can speak for everyone - after the 007 photo poses you can't hold back on the video !!! (unless you delve into how the tops don't suitably prevent scrotal injuries )ps I did a video review, I need to just check I don’t look like someone with special needs and then I may post it of the 3 tops...it’s a very rushed on the spot jobbie before I went to school but if anyone’s interested then I’ll post
I think I can speak for everyone - after the 007 photo poses you can't hold back on the video !!! (unless you delve into how the tops don't suitably prevent scrotal injuries )
Just remember, don't worry, however bad you think you might look - we WILL judge you and it will be worse !
Make sure you do it as a "review" then it might get upgrade to "article" and you'll be on the Front page - which is better than page 3....
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