Orbea Rise M10 First Look at the lightweight rocket ship!

[Rob Rides EMTB]

17.9KG pocket rocket!

 

[mark.ai]

Looks good in the gloss! Surprised it's that light with that suspension actually, I thought it would be heavier.

 

[b33k34]

You can have it in any colour you like.

Black please.

 

[Stretch40]

Rob u say the motors punchy and other reviews say u could keep up with full power bikes on normal climbs is it like a full power but in trail ? And been that light did u have to recalculate a bit on jumps ? Thanks

 

[Loamranger]

Very surprised by that weight. Someone on this forum posted that the Rise is 1.5kg heavier than the SL with a comparative build. This puts that statement in doubt?

What’s the build spec. please?

 

[Bigtuna00]

EDIT: I screwed up the math! Sorry! I still think the weight looks a little off...

That weight is without pedals so it will be ~18.3kg with pedals depending on the pedals of course.

I still think Rob's scale may be off. My Large Rise LTD is 17.14 kg without pedals. But the spec is much lighter so that M10 looks too light:

• That DHF is 1010g (+110g)
• The DHR is 955g (+160g)
• The 36 adds ~200g over 34 (maybe more if it's GRIP2)
• Next R rims are 1765g vs 1555g for the SLs (+210g)
• I added a Specialized SWAT Conceal Carry tool to the head tube (-200g)
• EDIT: my saddle is 222g, I can't tell which one that is in the video but I'd be surprised if it was much lighter

That's already +480g over my build. And everything else on the LTD is lighter. Calipers, brake levers, rotors, cranks, derailleur, cassette, etc. 17.89kg still seems too light for that spec. Maybe Rob weighed it without sealant too...

@Rob Rides EMTB if you haven't already, I'd recommend getting some calibration weights to be sure. I found one of my scales was pretty far out. But the one I use to weigh bikes is spot-on.

EDIT: Here's an LTD with similar spec weighing in at 18.19 kg with pedals.

 

[dobbyhasfriends]

its a great looker, Orbea have really popped up on my radar lately, I was looking at the wild but this - depending on how some of your other tests go, could well be a contender.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

EDIT: I screwed up the math! Sorry! I still think the weight looks a little off...

That weight is without pedals so it will be ~18.3kg with pedals depending on the pedals of course.

I still think Rob's scale may be off. My Large Rise LTD is 17.14 kg without pedals. But the spec is much lighter so that M10 looks too light:

• That DHF is 1010g (+110g)
• The DHR is 955g (+160g)
• The 36 adds ~200g over 34 (maybe more if it's GRIP2)
• Next R rims are 1765g vs 1555g for the SLs (+210g)
• I added a Specialized SWAT Conceal Carry tool to the head tube (-200g)
• EDIT: my saddle is 222g, I can't tell which one that is in EDIT: I screwed up the math! Sorry! I still think the weight looks a little off...

That weight is without pedals so it will be ~18.3kg with pedals depending on the pedals of course.

I still think Rob's scale may be off. My Large Rise LTD is 17.14 kg without pedals. But the spec is much lighter so that M10 looks too light:

• That DHF is 1010g (+110g)
• The DHR is 955g (+160g)
• The 36 adds ~200g over 34 (maybe more if it's GRIP2)
• Next R rims are 1765g vs 1555g for the SLs (+210g)
• I added a Specialized SWAT Conceal Carry tool to the head tube (-200g)
• EDIT: my saddle is 222g, I can't tell which one that is in the video but I'd be surprised if it was much lighter

That's already +480g over my build. And everything else on the LTD is lighter. Calipers, brake levers, rotors, cranks, derailleur, cassette, etc. 17.89kg still seems too light for that spec. Maybe Rob weighed it without sealant too...

@Rob Rides EMTB if you haven't already, I'd recommend getting some calibration weights to be sure. I found one of my scales was pretty far out. But the one I use to weigh bikes is spot-on.

EDIT: Here's an LTD with similar spec weighing in at 18.19 kg with pedals.

hey mate, I’ll double check my scales. These are the same scales I use for all bike weights (and accessories like motors / batteries) so it’ll be interesting to check.
The Rise definitely had sealant in it. Maybe they sent me one filled with helium ?

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

@Bigtuna00 i just ordered some feedback sports scales, they will be here tomorrow.

 

[Tonybro]

Looks great, seems to perform great. Battery extender - how much will this be Rob?

I'll be considering this when I change...

 

[Bigtuna00]

@Bigtuna00 i just ordered some feedback sports scales, they will be here tomorrow.

I got some of these off Amazon, now I never have to wonder

 

[Bigtuna00]

Battery extender - how much will this be Rob?

Do you mean the cost? It's already listed for sale just not yet shipping that I know of: RS RANGE EXTENDER

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

OK, some weight weenie stuff and scale test... New scales arrived also the calibration weights..

So I have:

Park Tool Scales (that I weighed the Rise on)
Feedback Sports Scales (New)
Calibration weights

First, lets check the 500g calibrated weight:

I added it into a cup and zero'd it. Park Tool reading:

Feedback Sports Reading:

So far so good. Next up, the Bafang M500 Motor (Manufacturer Quoted Weight 3.4KG). Feedback Sports weighed bang on 3.4KG:

And on the Park Tool scale, weighs in 10g more... I weighed 3 times to check and moved position of the scales to account for angle discrepancy.. So 10g discrepancy at this weight.

Sadly I dont have the Rise in the Studio - but I have the Focus Jam 2 - Now this is actually over the stated scale weight for accuracy, but to give an idea...

And the Park Tool, it is actually coming in at 230 gramms less than the feedback scale

As we can see, the more weight the more inaccurate they become, but there's still not a huge amount in it... So I'd say that the Park Tool weight of 17.89KG of the rise is pretty darn close to the real actual weight of the bike... Maybe 100g out either way..

At the end of the day I'd say they are both pretty close... Both were spot on at 500g... The Feedback Sports scale actually weighed the Bafang Motor lighter than the Park Tool, but at the heaviest weight, it was 230g heavier when weighing the 25KG+ Focus Jam.

I'll update the thread with the actual bike in question when I have it here!!

 

[Zimmerframe]

At the end of the day I'd say they are both pretty close... Both were spot on at 500g... The Feedback Sports scale actually weighed the Bafang Motor lighter than the Park Tool, but at the heaviest weight, it was 230g heavier when weighing the 25KG+ Focus Jam.

It's a bit of a tricky one .

A objects mass will be the same WHEREVER it is ..

But - an objects weight will vary depending on where you weigh it. The Earth isn't a perfect Sphere, so depending on where you are the gravitational forces vary.

For any of you who aren't already very sad individuals, but could be :

Gravity of Earth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Likewise, the weight of an object will be less as you go higher in elevation. Though again, it's mass will be the same as mass is a constant (well, it actually increases with speed, but you'd have to be going a lot faster than any of us would for that to kick in).

You can only really do comparative weights in the same place.

Ideally you need to cough up and buy a Space Linear Acceleration Mass Measurement Device (SLAMMD) .. but for what we're talking about, it's probably not really worth it.

 

[Bigtuna00]

If the scale was off by 100-200g, that seems reasonable. My LTD at 17.14kg has 1 or 2 other bobs on it (phone holder, RideWrap) heavier grips, and heavier bars that I didn't factor in as well. I'm on a gram hunting mission with this bike so it was a little threatening to see a much heavier spec looking that light!

I am hoping to get mine down to ~16.7 kg with reasonable upgrades and still keeping the bike functional (given that the LTD is more "down-country" than "enduro-y" on the trail bike spectrum). This is without pedals, just to keep the numbers consistent with the rest of the thread.

You know what's crazy? The stock LTD tires. The front Rekon is a 29x2.6 that weighs 790g. It's a GIANT tire, measuring 65mm wide on the 25mm rims. The rear tire is a Rekon 29x2.4 that weighs 880g. Both are EXO, so the rear has no better sidewall protection and certainly worse pinch protection. They would have been better off in the weight weenie wars putting another 2.6 on the rear, plus then you could ride at lower pressures. For a bike where they seemed to sweat every gram (foam grips, composite brake levers, 125mm dropper, a 100g saddle!) they sure dropped the ball on tires. I suppose in the end it doesn't matter because these tires are terrible anyway

 

[p3eps]

I work for my family owned calibration company. I spent many years as a calibration tech both onshore and offshore before now being in the office. Calibrated everything from scales, pressure gauges, torque wrenches, multimeters... you name it!

If you want your scales calibrated Rob, then send them up and I can do a proper calibration and issue a certificate advising the errors through their range. It may be that (depending on the scales) that they can be adjusted to make them read better.

When I was checking the weights of my components, I had my kitchen scales calibrated to ensure the numbers I was posting were right!

 

[Pdoz]

Should we be reassured that Rob bought scales rated to 25 kg?

Fess up Rob, tell us you've been speaking to all the major brands and the future of emtb is lighter bikes!!!!

 

[jka]

That weight is right on the money with my large M10. Weight after cleaning all of the extra weight adding dust and grease off of the bike, WITH flat pedals is 18.301285 Kg. on my Space Linear Acceleration Mass Measurement Device. Actually, it was 18.31Kg on my Feedback Sports scale. I really just weighed it out of curiosity. I'm far from a weight weenie. I could lose a Kg or two off of my belly if I quit eating cheeseburgers and donuts....not gonna happen.

 

[Ymersmoelf]

Tested the Rise - never thought i would like it... i did.
Much more power from the motor than my guess an pretty poppy ride. It's like the lower weight compensates for the slightly lower power.
Hmmmmmmm is this the future?!? If it was more in the enduro category i would really really like it!

 

[BobR]

Tested the Rise - never thought i would like it... i did.
Much more power from the motor than my guess an pretty poppy ride. It's like the lower weight compensates for the slightly lower power.
Hmmmmmmm is this the future?!? If it was more in the enduro category i would really really like it!

Swap the rear to a 27.5 and put a longer rear shock and I have heard up to 160 travel and then change the inner spring on the 36 to 160...

 

[BobR]

And a slacker head tube and seat tube angle too

 

[Chicane]

Wow... I just ride my bike, it weighs what it weighs.

This is why I’m not buying a FF 52# Ebike, because I don’t want it to weigh what it weighs.

 

[Chicane]

FF 52# Ebike?

Isn’t 52 pounds about the average weight for a FF Ebike, or is it more?

 

[Bigtuna00]

Isn’t 52 pounds about the average weight for a FF Ebike, or is it more?

Levo S-Works was ~46lbs, but yes most are over 50.

Wow... I just ride my bike, it weighs what it weighs.

Good for you!

 

[Chicane]

Levo SL S-Works was ~46lbs, but yes most are over 50.


Good for you!

But in all honesty , the Levo SL isn’t a FF Ebike as I stated. That S-Works you mentioned at 46# isn’t an SL.

Any way , not to be a dead horse from someone’s DUMB comment. The reason we are ALL interested in the Rise or the SL for that matter is because we want the lightest Ebike we can get, and yes, the weight matters to all of us buying these type of bikes.

 

[BobR]

But in all honesty , the Levo SL isn’t a FF Ebike as I stated. That S-Works you mentioned at 46# isn’t an SL.

Any way , not to be a dead horse from someone’s DUMB comment. The reason we are ALL interested in the Rise or the SL for that matter is because we want the lightest Ebike we can get, and yes, the weight matters to all of us buying these type of bikes.

Just lift a FF on a bike rack and then one of these Rise... that is an example of the difference in the experience on the trail... the same time I bought mine my friend but a Levo... he plowed over or through everything and mine did not feel really any different then my enduro analog. I want assistance, not almost a different sport. I am not saying FF is not fun because it is... just not what I want.

 

[Bigtuna00]

But in all honesty , the Levo SL isn’t a FF Ebike as I stated. That S-Works you mentioned at 46# isn’t an SL.

I'm sorry, I meant Levo S-Works, not SL. Brain fart!

 

[Chicane]

I'm sorry, I meant Levo S-Works, not SL. Brain fart!

No worries, I read your mind and your comment wasn't what I was referring to as ...b.

 

[Labrador29]

If the scale was off by 100-200g, that seems reasonable. My LTD at 17.14kg has 1 or 2 other bobs on it (phone holder, RideWrap) heavier grips, and heavier bars that I didn't factor in as well. I'm on a gram hunting mission with this bike so it was a little threatening to see a much heavier spec looking that light!

I am hoping to get mine down to ~16.7 kg with reasonable upgrades and still keeping the bike functional (given that the LTD is more "down-country" than "enduro-y" on the trail bike spectrum). This is without pedals, just to keep the numbers consistent with the rest of the thread.

You know what's crazy? The stock LTD tires. The front Rekon is a 29x2.6 that weighs 790g. It's a GIANT tire, measuring 65mm wide on the 25mm rims. The rear tire is a Rekon 29x2.4 that weighs 880g. Both are EXO, so the rear has no better sidewall protection and certainly worse pinch protection. They would have been better off in the weight weenie wars putting another 2.6 on the rear, plus then you could ride at lower pressures. For a bike where they seemed to sweat every gram (foam grips, composite brake levers, 125mm dropper, a 100g saddle!) they sure dropped the ball on tires. I suppose in the end it doesn't matter because these tires are terrible anyway

I think you are being a little unfair with your final comment.
I prefer the Maxxis that came with my Giant Trance e-mtb +1 pro. It doesn't mean I slag off the competition. I have a Specialized Butcher on the rear at the moment, but I prefer the Maxxis that was on it. That is not to say the Butcher is inferior, I just prefer the original Maxxis for the type of trails I ride.

 

[Bigtuna00]

I think you are being a little unfair with your final comment.
I prefer the Maxxis that came with my Giant Trance e-mtb +1 pro. It doesn't mean I slag off the competition. I have a Specialized Butcher on the rear at the moment, but I prefer the Maxxis that was on it. That is not to say the Butcher is inferior, I just prefer the original Maxxis for the type of trails I ride.

I think you misunderstood my final comment. I wasn't speaking about Maxxis. I was speaking about the tires that come on the Rise LTD. Also, I rode the tires. They were terrible. Also multiple other reviewers have complained about the Rekons on the Rise, so to some extent I made an assumption about context, that's my bad. But they're really bad though to be fair it was mainly the front that I really disliked. I'll keep it for a rear tire on my Levo.

For the record I don't consider there to be any "competition" between the tires I choose. I choose to ride what works well, I don't give a rip whose logo is on the sidewall.