Orbea Rise EMTB - 16.2KG Superlight

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Motorbike is much more complicated ,....true emtb is for robbing people. I have cube stereo for 3.5k and lets be honest.. its pretty crap. Not worth that kind of a money.
Motorcycles rob people of there lifes . I think high end e bikes are awesome . People love to compare the price of cars or motorcycles to eebs . Its a bit old and ignorant. What $ 30000 for a shit corolla . That's a lot of money . If u want a decent car. Like a brand new Patrol or Landcruser . U need like $ 100000 . So I reckon my 8000 $ carbon levo was cheap . And my hardtail cube 2000$ was a steal .
 

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36v system too. For those wanting an XC bike this would be good competition for the SL. Someone said to take this to a bike park tho.....for the family trails I’m assuming.

Not necessarily. I've hit most stuff at the parks (not monster drops, which I've outgrown anyway) on my Hightower with 135mm rear travel.

I think the Orbea would be fine for a park day, though I'd still probably bring my Santa Cruz instead.
 

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Motorbike is much more complicated... true emtb is for robbing people. I have cube stereo for 3.5k and lets be honest.. its pretty crap. Not worth that kind of a money.
And yet you bought it - which kinda undermines your position..!

:sneaky:

"Worth" is rarely directly aligned to material value. We buy eMTBs primarily for what they can do for us, not for the monetary value of their constituent parts.

See how much of the Mona Lisa you'll get if you're only prepared to pay for the value of the canvas and the paints used..!

:cool:

(Complexity per se isn't that important either - a mobile phone is a monstrously complicated thing technologically, and you can get them for next to nothing.)

It's just the same for motor bikes: for many (most?) riders, a Honda Cub will do the job of getting them down the road: so why buy a - say - a Ducati V4 Superleggera?

Because of what it can do for the rider that the Cub can't... And that is what makes it "worth" the astronomical (£86k UK) price of the thing.

We're paying for the pleasure of an eMTB, even when that price handily outweighs the simple material cost.

I've got some friends who will happily pay a lot more than I paid for my SL, to go skiing for a few weeks; or to spend time cruising around the Caribbean.

I think they're nuts, they think I'm nuts. And each of us think we're getting the best bang for our buck.

Funny thing, "value"...
 
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Motorbike is much more complicated ,....true emtb is for robbing people. I have cube stereo for 3.5k and lets be honest.. its pretty crap. Not worth that kind of a money.

The thing about motorbikes is that engineering weight out isn't as huge an issue (when you have a 35,000-120,000 watt motor to power it). That can lead to a lot of cost savings versus a bike, where more exotic materials and production technologies are needed to deal with the strong/light/cheap paradox. I'm amazed sometimes how inexpensive replacement parts for my KTM are versus parts for a bicycle...
 

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I wonder if its the same battery as the Rotwild 375? Another bike that has gone under the radar on here, similar to Orbea but with the full fat EP8 and circa 18kg, though quite a bit burlier build


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That's more like it!

Can't see a range extender though.
 

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The Rotty does seems pretty sorted but I'm not entirely convinced a 63.5deg head angle is "bang on" for the sort of rider you're likely to see riding one of these in the Surrey Hills or at Glentress.
 

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It's not a Santa Cruz so you're not likely to see one at Surrey Hills...
 

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The thing about motorbikes is that engineering weight out isn't as huge an issue (when you have a 35,000-120,000 watt motor to power it). That can lead to a lot of cost savings versus a bike, where more exotic materials and production technologies are needed to deal with the strong/light/cheap paradox. I'm amazed sometimes how inexpensive replacement parts for my KTM are versus parts for a bicycle...
Yes and no... and do understand what you mean.

The law of diminishing returns obviously plays a big part. It only cost a little to improve and transform a bad racing car into a good one. It costs millions of dollars to improve an exceptionally fast racing car into one that is only fractionally faster in order to win at the top end of the field. This cost comes from thousands of hours of R&D and innovative re-thinking, plus what usually involves true bespoke manufacturing.

The same thing can be applied when it comes to weight/strength.

But then there's market value, and by that I mean the price that people are willing to (or have been accustomed to) pay for any given item. Branding and marketing comes into play here, where validation-by-association is deliberately seeded into the user culture. This is true for any commodity, be it sunglasses, food, or rare comic books. If you can increase the desirability (inherently or artificially) you can increase the retail value - regardless of how cheap it is to manufacture, or acquire. No manufacturer is going to disclose how cheap it is to manufacture a bicycle part in large quantities by CNC automation, especially if nobody questions its market value no matter how exorbitant. An equivalent replacement part in the motorcycle industry has no bearing on this.
 

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Santa Cruz Bunker 2021

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Motorcycles rob people of there lifes . I think high end e bikes are awesome . People love to compare the price of cars or motorcycles to eebs . Its a bit old and ignorant. What $ 30000 for a shit corolla . That's a lot of money . If u want a decent car. Like a brand new Patrol or Landcruser . U need like $ 100000 . So I reckon my 8000 $ carbon levo was cheap . And my hardtail cube 2000$ was a steal .
this post pretty much shows how the world and we are f...d up
 

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....I don't really know how to spell this out to you bud but 5kg alters how a bike rides (and can be ridden) quite considerably.....

I do because I have three eBikes that span a 5 1/2 kilo weight difference. I just think that a 140/140 bike specced with cross country parts to keep the weight down for marketing isn't entirely honest when 99% of buyers won't buy it that way. 16.2kg is a lost leader. You can't even replace some of those consumable parts, like for like at you LBS. They had the chainring and tyres specially made for them (or bought exclusivity. Orbea use that to suck you in and then sell you something a bit different. Especially when they could have gotten the same result with the 17.5kg spec.

I know everybody does it. It just rubs me the wrong way.

Gordon
 

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Really guys joke aside, these bikes really cost almost like new cars? Car weight a ton of material. I won't participate in this madness any more but of course you still can. I just read that Alutech Releases €16,000 eMTB cmon ... Madness .. I bought new Yaris Hybrid car for that money and can't accept fact that those at Alutech think their bike is worth that money. It's a bike not rocket science. I'm out good bye. :) It was nice but it's too expensive for me, it makes me cry.

You make the mistake of thinking sale price is based on something tangeable. It's what ever people will pay. New bike. Headline grabbing specs. Worldwide bike shortage......

Lots of things cost more than a new Yaris. Even bikes without a motor.

Gordon
 

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I do because I have three eBikes that span a 5 1/2 kilo weight difference. I just think that a 140/140 bike specced with cross country parts to keep the weight down for marketing isn't entirely honest when 99% of buyers won't buy it that way. 16.2kg is a lost leader. You can't even replace some of those consumable parts, like for like at you LBS. They had the chainring and tyres specially made for them (or bought exclusivity. Orbea use that to suck you in and then sell you something a bit different. Especially when they could have gotten the same result with the 17.5kg spec.

I know everybody does it. It just rubs me the wrong way.

Gordon
I guess an exceptional rider running higher pressure in the condoms could probably use the bike like that quite effectively.

Ok, for most of us it would be a disaster. But is that the point ? We all would like our EMTB's to be a bit lighter, this is pushing the boundaries of what you can buy - though again, for most of us, pushing the levels of usability/Machability beyond what would work as a day to day precision hammer.

I'd probably bring it back in a bag .. this is what we do on a normal emtb if you come off trail at speed and hit an oak ... you just wouldn't be able to ride like that with the Orbea. :)

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You're 100% correct, it attracts peoples attention .. only earlier today someone said to me "did you see Orbea's new 16kg emtb" and they're not an EMTBer ..

Ultimately, it's going in the right direction, even though it's not Revolution or Evolution .. but it's certainly not revulsion.
 

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I do because I have three eBikes that span a 5 1/2 kilo weight difference.
Then you "should" understand the demand for an emtb such as the rise.

I just think that a 140/140 bike specced with cross country parts to keep the weight down for marketing isn't entirely honest when 99% of buyers won't buy it that way.
What? what way will they buy it then?
Oh.. .and I don't see any XC parts, just lightweight trail parts
16.2kg is a lost leader.
it's LOSS leader, but I still have no idea what you are on about. A loss leader is a product sold at no profit to entice customers in to your store to spend a little more money on profitable items. or better still start shopping in your shop instead of another. How on earth does this have any relevance to this bike?

You can't even replace some of those consumable parts, like for like at you LBS.
Like what?
No LBS keeps specific high end parts in stock on the off chance a punter has an issue with a particular component on their ultra high end bike . They order them in. No different to any high end normal bike. an LBS would go bust if it was fully stocked with high end components and spares

They had the chainring and tyres specially made for them
The chainring is an E-13 item, as are the cranks. Many brands use shitty E-13 components to keep costs and weight down. They truely are fucking awful products but E-13 are actually a great company to deal with when the inevitable happens or you need spares.
I agree with you about the tyres being a bit gash but it's something that manufacturers have and always will do as a cheap way to reduce printed weight in their catalog/website. Same with weighing bikes without pedals or in size small. Where did you read that the tyres were specifically made for this bike? Seems unlikely with Orbea hardly being the largest bike manufacturer in the world and seeing as an EXO 2.4 Rekon is an off the shelf product.
Orbea use that to suck you in and then sell you something a bit different. Especially when they could have gotten the same result with the 17.5kg spec.
Use what? If you're going to spend £9k on a bike and you don't realise the tyres are a little light for your riding you're not being sucked in. You're just clueless. But many Emtb owners are. Way more Emtb owners seem happy to spend a shit load on a bike they know very little about than you find with normal bikes.

I know everybody does it. It just rubs me the wrong way.
Yeah. I'm not sure why you care. you're clearly not in the market for one.
 
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.. this is what we do on a normal emtb if you come off trail at speed and hit an oak ... :)
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My 2 year old grandson is already following in the tradition of using trees for deceleration... when he wandered down a steep slope by mistake (obviously with no brakes) and hit this one yesterday afternoon. The wooden posts were meant to protect the poor sapling in the middle. His walkie-bike was unscathed and he's not the least bit deterred! ?

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Ps. The Rekons on this bike will be somewhere around 800g. and will be absolutely fine for dry hardpack trail riding.
I'm a 210lb ex DH rider and run a 780g rear tyre all year round to ride Scottish DH/Enduro tracks.
 
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My 2 year old grandson is already following in the tradition of using trees for deceleration... when he wandered down a steep slope by mistake (obviously with no brakes) and hit this one yesterday afternoon. The wooden posts were meant to protect the poor sapling in the middle. His walkie-bike was unscathed and he's not the least bit deterred! ?

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I bet that bike makes the Orbea look like it's made from depleted uranium !
 

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I dont think Orbea are really taking the piss with the weight of the headline model - it hasn't got the burliest parts on it, but it hasn't exactly got the lightest either - you could probably drop a kg off the bike pretty easily if you went full XC on it, maybe even more - its specced no differently to a lot of similar normal trail bikes, and given the weight, riding its designed for and with 140mm both ends it doesn't need any burlier components. If you are riding it somewhere where you think it does, you've probably got the wrong bike.

As with normal bikes if you want burlier kit you pay a weight penalty, but I am guessing if most people on here rode the top end model they wouldnt come away thinking anything was wrong with it.

Hell it was only 2 years ago that every other 22kg EMTB had 34's specced on it out the box.

Their marketing speil is a load of gumpf though.
 

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And as for the comparison to motorbikes and cars, that Kawasaki is the equivalent of a crappy hybrid bike for 500quid in the motorcycle world, does the job safely and get you from A to B but about as exciting as a pair of y-fronts.

With anything in life you can spend a lot or a little and the choice is yours, spending more doesn't guarantee anything but if it makes you happy and you can afford it good for you.
 

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