New Santa Cruz model

[ehfour]

I missed it- this is to replace the Heckler? or to add to the line up? is this also an SL or FF?

 

[Dirtnvert]

Nice adjustability, it's not VPP but at least they didn't put the shock horizontaly with toptube because those bikes look dead ugly

The shock along the toptube makes more sense and the bike will ride better. Shock weight is much less than a battery extender or a bottle of water so i'd prefer to have that heavier weight towards the center and lower

 

[Mukkiman]

I missed it- this is to replace the Heckler? or to add to the line up? is this also an SL or FF?

if it will geplace anything, i dont know, but its a FF

 

[RSG]

Hoping they bring out a 180/170 or a 170/170 model with same shape and layout - there's definitely room in there for a longer shock without it impacting standover/frame shape or having to have the shock at some weird angle like Pivot's Shuttle LT - maybe at the cost of that tool/accessory mount.

I think it looks nice and low slung - like a more refined shape version of the repeater.

 

[franciscoasismm]

Hoping they bring out a 180/170 or a 170/170 model with same shape and layout - there's definitely room in there for a longer shock without it impacting standover/frame shape or having to have the shock at some weird angle like Pivot's Shuttle LT - maybe at the cost of that tool/accessory mount.

I think it looks nice and low slung - like a more refined shape version of the repeater.

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[jbrown15]

So... it seems like you have the scoop on the new Wild.

Can you atleast give us a rough time frame for reveal?

Early next week.

 

[Bndit]

The shock along the toptube makes more sense and the bike will ride better. Shock weight is much less than a battery extender or a bottle of water so i'd prefer to have that heavier weight towards the center and lower

Yeah but it looks ugly and I really ever have understood the concept of range extender.

 

[Dirtnvert]

Yeah but it looks ugly and I really ever have understood the concept of range extender.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say. Winning and popularity will influence that though so eventually correct function will look better. Win on sunday, sell on monday they say as well
I'd like a bosch with a 600w battery with an extender option because 60% of my days a lighter bike with just a 600w battery is the best ride quality and all the power ill need. The other 40% iis a longer ride and ill need the extender. Generally i know what type of ride ill be doing but some i end up doing more than planned and have to use a lower power mode to get home. Bosch 600w will get me a longer ride than my current 540w battery on a shimano and more flexibility. With the extender and 850w i could do anything i want to do any day all in boost

 

[Dax]

I missed it- this is to replace the Heckler? or to add to the line up? is this also an SL or FF?

I’m guessing somewhere between, 20-21kg with full fat motor? Maybe we need a new category between SL and FF - Dad Bod

 

[irie]

I’m guessing somewhere between, 20-21kg with full fat motor? Maybe we need a new category between SL and FF - Dad Bod

As said before, for many riders the eMTB "sweet spot" is a well equipped 20-21kg bike with a full fat motor.

 

[Dax]

As said before, for many riders the eMTB "sweet spot" is a well equipped 20-21kg bike with a full fat motor.

You mean a dad bod is inevitable?

 

[Lightme]

santa cruz has lost there way, they got rid of the one thing that made there bike unique apart from crestline, now it just looks like say a lightcarbon bike! the shimano motor was killing there brand before, the ep801 is actually pretty sound apart from being able to service it and now they've done this, madness!

Wow. Take a breath. I think it looks great, and I’m sure the engineers know what they’re doing!

 

[TurdFarmer]

Wow. Take a breath. I think it looks great, and I’m sure the engineers know what they’re doing!

They've been doing VPP for so long that going back to a more traditional linkage is probably pretty foreign to them.

They would need to knock it out of the park, not just be on par with the rest.

 

[RSG]

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Not really what I was getting at but it’s still a nice bike. Not available in the UK either sadly so would be hard to get hold of and demo beforehand.

Maybe that’ll change one day, be interesting to see if they give it the next gen Bosch too.

I like the shape of this new SC, it’s low slung. Also way easier to clean and keep running sweet when you don’t have the shock running through a hole in your front triangle.

 

[Lightme]

They've been doing VPP for so long that going back to a more traditional linkage is probably pretty foreign to them.

They would need to knock it out of the park, not just be on par with the rest.

I really don’t think that’s the case - I’m sure they know what they’re doing. If Crestline can nail a VPP, then I’m sure SC can make this platform work.

 

[Richwall]

 

[Richwall]

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[FirulaisPanzon]

No VPP

 

[Biano44]

Massive SC fan but just under £9k for basic bike…….nah.

 

[leroy]

Massive SC fan but just under £9k for basic bike…….nah.

have the prices been released? got a link?

 

[sluette]

Massive SC fan but just under £9k for basic bike…….nah.

Any prices released?

 

[mustclime]

It’s about time, vpp was just a gimmick to get around the specialized fsr patten that is now over. I am wondering how progressive suspension curves are.

 

[franciscoasismm]

Massive SC fan but just under £9k for basic bike…….nah.

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[ZXR_Power]

Scor 6080 Z Bosch Gen4 190mm 3999€

And again. A very heavy bike beyond 25kg. Aluminium. And only gen 4.
This is not a real competitor to Santa’s Vala. Although great value for the money.

Wihout any discount it‘s about 6999€. Can‘t compare apples with pears.

 

[dumpy]

i know its not great in the eu, but in the usa the transition relay is a great 170/170 four bars light ebike with a ride60 and its been on sale for a while now, making the price fairly decent.

note that another advantage of this design is that you can put any dropper in most sizes bikes, so like 210mm on medium or large, no problem.

id say that a disadvantage vs vpp is that bearings are exposed. you literally tape vpp bearings and nearly never replace them but four bar designs mean external bearings and a lot of spaces and gap for dust to go in. still the better tradeoff on ebikes imo but not always on pedal bikes.

 

[TurdFarmer]

It’s about time, vpp was just a gimmick to get around the specialized fsr patten that is now over. I am wondering how progressive suspension curves are.

It was hardly a gimmick. Have you ever owned a virtual pivot style bike? They definitely work.

 

[mustclime]

It was hardly a gimmick. Have you ever owned a virtual pivot style bike? They definitely work.

Broke two hight towers, one of the reasons I don’t ride plastic anymore. VPP and DW link bikes are what I call double triangle bikes. That is when you take the frames apart you have a a front triangle and a rear triangle. A 4 bar link ( Hurst link) has a front triangle and a seat stay and chain stay. A hurst link bike will alway be lighter than a double triangle bike. With the low shock design you also limit dropper posts. Out of meat powered bikes, I would say the best designs out there is the Transition bikes, the Sentinel, Patrol and the Spire are dam near perfect. The only company that comes close is Knolly, I just dislike superboost.

 

[Mukkiman]

how you manage to break two hightowers? i got an old megatower and ride it hard. I could not imagine how to break this thing... But i broke multiple AL bikes.

 

[TurdFarmer]

Broke two hight towers, one of the reasons I don’t ride plastic anymore. VPP and DW link bikes are what I call double triangle bikes. That is when you take the frames apart you have a a front triangle and a rear triangle. A 4 bar link ( Hurst link) has a front triangle and a seat stay and chain stay. A hurst link bike will alway be lighter than a double triangle bike. With the low shock design you also limit dropper posts. Out of meat powered bikes, I would say the best designs out there is the Transition bikes, the Sentinel, Patrol and the Spire are dam near perfect. The only company that comes close is Knolly, I just dislike superboost.

Dude... The extra carbon used to make up the rear triangle would weigh next to nothing when stacked up against a 4 bar.

You breaking 2 Hightowers and talking about a minuscule amount of extra weight is not a justification for calling a virtual pivot bike a gimmick... that's not what virtual pivot was ever about.

 

[franciscoasismm]

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