Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 - Discussion Thread for 8th April launch

[emtbeast]

Wormed gears have a very low efficiency, not suitable to use them in a ebike motor...

He probably meant helical but it got lost in translation

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

I'm not too crazy about that. Much of our local riding is in the mountains next to wilderness areas. No services, few people, in the backcountry. If I ran out of main battery, or there's a power system failure, not being able to shift while pedaling out would not be fun.

Admittedly a worst case scenario, but for my use case, it's something to think about.

There will always be reserve battery to shift.

 

[emtbeast]

The Motor is all metal... I have seen the expanded drawings for it and its the move ppl were looking for as there is no belt anymore. They are wormed gears. As for pics let just say I cant share, but it will be on Specialized site on Tues for all to see.

U probably meant helical gears right?

Because worm gear is this:

 

[WatermanJim]

My concern isn't safety, but rather politics. It's already a constant fight to get ebikes allowed at all, and this is an arrow in the quiver of the gatekeepers.

Class 1 (no throttle and limited to 28mph ) Ebikes are regular bikes by law at the US federal level and every state has changed its laws accordingly. "land managers" can make their own rules but that is more of a request and not enforceable.

I think all cars should be limited to 100km/hr and have mandatory alcohol breath check before starting. If it saves one life it's worth it! sarc off hahaha.

 

[emtbeast]

A bike is a bike. Instead of being lighter, it is getting heavier. So far, it is average. I do not understand this excitement. Because they finally took the belt out of the engine? Bosch has had metal gears for a long time and is quite failure-free. We will wait and see.

Looking at most of the bike releases for the last few months, including some not released yet, if u put them side by side, except a few exceptions they all lookalike, which is quite boring to be honest. The Levo is just one among them all, it's design imo doesn't stand out a bit, like the 3 did with the side brace and slim design.
Also agree that instead going down with the weight(battery modularity), more efficient use of energy(better sensory hardware), better motor IP ratings, possiblity of easy repair and adaptability(29er), all this makes me feel like overall it's a hit in the dark.
For the reviews that will be released, I had to learn the hard way trusting a yt review to much and rushing into it, so now I always wait for at least a few months when the actual issues new products have arise.

 

[MarkE192]

A bike is a bike. Instead of being lighter, it is getting heavier. So far, it is average. I do not understand this excitement. Because they finally took the belt out of the engine? Bosch has had metal gears for a long time and is quite failure-free. We will wait and see.

Where I live in California the Levo is by far the most popular ebike around by a wide margin maybe 5 to 1. Although this new version is not ground breaking it is definitely an improvement in power and look(in my opinion) so I see why a lot of people who love there old Levos are excited. Especially if the motor is reliable.

 

[MonsterMX]

Is there anyone who can compare Float X Genie to the Float X or Float X2? Just want to know if it fits somewhere between them or its closer to X or X2.

 

[Aitrui]

Especially if the motor is reliable.

It's made by Brose, of course its reliable. They have done extended testing before release, they have so much faith in it, it comes with 10 000 crank rotation or 2 year warranty, whichever comes first.

 

[Ace Freely]

Class 1 (no throttle and limited to 28mph ) Ebikes are regular bikes by law at the US federal level and every state has changed its laws accordingly. "land managers" can make their own rules but that is more of a request and not enforceable.

I think all cars should be limited to 100km/hr and have mandatory alcohol breath check before starting. If it saves one life it's worth it! sarc off hahaha.

...point of clarification....

Class 1, Pedal assist to 20 mph

Class 2, Pedal and throttle assist to 20 mph

Class 3, Pedal assist to 28 mph

Ace

 

[DirkWisely]

Class 1 (no throttle and limited to 28mph ) Ebikes are regular bikes by law at the US federal level and every state has changed its laws accordingly. "land managers" can make their own rules but that is more of a request and not enforceable.

I think all cars should be limited to 100km/hr and have mandatory alcohol breath check before starting. If it saves one life it's worth it! sarc off hahaha.

Wtf are you talking about? It's absolutely enforceable, and not a request.

 

[emtbeast]

It's made by Brose, of course its reliable. They have done extended testing before release, they have so much faith in it, it comes with 10 000 crank rotation or 2 year warranty, whichever comes first.

10 000 is this a typo or where is this info from?

For example 30km/1000m altitude gain, 65rpm average ride gets me cca 5000 crank rotations(Garmin nifty stats feature).

 

[jgusta]

Respectfully, I've never understood the logic of not allowing a class 3 on trails if the only distinction between it an a class 1 is the maximum speed it will go. I completely understand and agree with not allowing motorized bikes with throttles on trails.

Not allowing a class 3 mountain bike on a trail because it is capable of going faster than 20mph is the same logic as not allowing a car to drive on a road that can go faster than the posted speed limit.

If your concern is people promising to go slow and not following rules, highly experienced analog riders often go much faster downhill and any e-bike rider can also go faster than the pedal assist limit when doing downhill. When I'm on paved roads going downhill, my bike often goes into the mid 30s.

I bought a Bulls Iconic specifically because it's a class 3 because the majority of my use is riding locally along the coast from my home. It's at least 1 hour round trip for me to drive to any trails. When I do ride on trails, I never go over 20mph and most of the time, much less than that.

If the concern is a bike that can go faster than the posted limit, I live in California and every time I see a posted speed limit on a trail, it is 15mph, so with this thinking, perhaps class 1 bikes shouldn't be allowed on these same trails either.

Yep, I am back on analog bike while Levo busted up and at shop for past 3 weeks. I am amazed how much faster and more responsive the lighter analog is in comparison on all the DH’s, especially if need to pedal a bit above 20mph on gradual declines. Good news, all the ebiking I have done in past 4 years has made me a more proficient descender. Climbs still suck however

 

[sethimus]

There should also be a solution for Android users ...

problem is how tthe android find my equivalent works. those android trackers are only exact if there is a cluster of android phones around, apple phones always send the latest coordinates of trackers they had contact with. so its basically useless to track things with android trackers

 

[Chiefworm]

Pink?? Is this a joke??

What is wrong with pink?

 

[JamesATX]

Where did you get it?

SF Bay Area

 

[salko]

Sure you can.

 

[TheMirrorVision]

Yes, according to SRAM’s installation guide you can either use the battery or extension cable as they both use the same interface. I don’t see any reason why you wouldn’t carry a spare AXS battery given how small and light they are. I also do this when riding my analog bike for emergencies.

 

[HandsomeDanNZ]

What is wrong with pink?

Pink is fine, but she's hardly close to being as good as Lady Gaga. I mean, Gaga and Metallica was awesome. Can't imagine Pink doing that collab.

 

[WatermanJim]

...point of clarification....

Class 1, Pedal assist to 20 mph

Class 2, Pedal and throttle assist to 20 mph

Class 3, Pedal assist to 28 mph

Ace

Last time i checked, in the usa class 2 is a throttle but still limited power, and class 3 is unlimited and requires a license and insurance like a regular motorcycle. i could be wrong but whatever if a gravel ebike is 28 then a MTB should be too.

 

[retrograde]

Does anyone know if the new motor has an inclination sensor (e.g., like latest Bosch CX gen5)?

 

[HandsomeDanNZ]

Last time i checked, in the usa class 2 is a throttle but still limited power, and class 3 is unlimited and requires a license and insurance like a regular motorcycle. i could be wrong but whatever if a gravel ebike is 28 then a MTB should be too.

This is a good explainer:
Class 1, 2, 3 Explained

 

[luna87824]

Last time i checked, in the usa class 2 is a throttle but still limited power, and class 3 is unlimited and requires a license and insurance like a regular motorcycle. i could be wrong but whatever if a gravel ebike is 28 then a MTB should be too.

You need to check again!

 

[singletrackminded]

Same here, I am fan of Manitou Mezzer+ Mara Pro + Dominion A4 brakes.
Build wheels with Duke etc ..

But unfortunately, the frame is also overpriced...

Have you gotten a price on the frameset only that you can share?

 

[MarkE192]

Is there anyone who can compare Float X Genie to the Float X or Float X2? Just want to know if it fits somewhere between them or its closer to X or X2.

The genie sits between the x and x2. The selling point is it has two adjustments for air volume. One is the main air can volume spacers and then a sperate spacers that can go in a different chamber that controls bottom out. I have one on my Levo SL and I have been really impressed with it so far.

 

[HandsomeDanNZ]

The genie sits between the x and x2. The selling point is it has two adjustments for air volume. One is the main air can volume spacers and then a sperate spacers that can go in a different chamber that controls bottom out. I have one on my Levo SL and I have been really impressed with it so far.

Sams Bikes did a good review and breakdown of the Genie shock on their YT channel.

 

[Pyr0]

What is wrong with pink?

It's not black

 

[singletrackminded]

The genie sits between the x and x2. The selling point is it has two adjustments for air volume. One is the main air can volume spacers and then a sperate spacers that can go in a different chamber that controls bottom out. I have one on my Levo SL and I have been really impressed with it so far.

I have the Genie on my SL2 also. For me, its a set it and forget it shock. Does everything well, works great. I would say it tends to ride higher in its travel than the X2 on My Gen 3 levo. Much lighter too!

 

[bayride]

Any pictures of the s works framesets please?

 

[ckkone]

You just can’t make a side loader look good and it’s definitely pink.

 

[winters3]

The bike totally convinces on the tech line, but the down tube is optically to fat and the showed engine cover is as well ... the DJI (sorry for again to compare) looks much nicer, even i don’t like the engine cover as well... DJI made a great job to fit 800wh so slim, they probably sacrificed a higher center of gravity.