Is the orbea Rise suspension progressive?

[jbrown15]

I would highly doubt Cascade will make a link for the rise unless it also works on other models. The business model has to be to make parts for bikes that A. there are enough out in the wild to justify it, and B. have an owner group likely to modify them. Considering there arent any Orbea links yet, i doubt this would be the first.

Sorry? Other models of different brands? The Rise is selling faster than they can make them. I've also had conversations with Cascade as they aren't very far from where I live. They are very much interested in making a link, it's not like its some huge investment to make one. They take a bike, do some measurements and do up a 3D printed model, test fit it and then if no changes are made they CNC one.

I've even offered to bring a bike there for them to use, I just have to drive across the border. They said they would need the bike for a week. If you look at the links they currently offer I see no reason they won't. Hell they offer links for Forbidden high pivot bikes, I can guarantee there's more carbon Rise's in the wild than there is Forbidden bikes and we're not even taking into account that they just releases the alloy version which are completely sold out for 2022. Dealers can't order anymore of this year.

I can totally see them offering a link for a Rise, and if and when they did it would make the suspension even more progressive. I'm not saying its a 100% for sure, but I have talked with them about it and they said that they'd love to get there hands on a Rise and Wild FS to look at making links for them. So there's that I guess.

 

[Snowrydr01]

Sorry? Other models of different brands? The Rise is selling faster than they can make them. I've also had conversations with Cascade as they aren't very far from where I live. They are very much interested in making a link, it's not like its some huge investment to make one. They take a bike, do some measurements and do up a 3D printed model, test fit it and then if no changes are made they CNC one.

I've even offered to bring a bike there for them to use, I just have to drive across the border. They said they would need the bike for a week. If you look at the links they currently offer I see no reason they won't. Hell they offer links for Forbidden high pivot bikes, I can guarantee there's more carbon Rise's in the wild than there is Forbidden bikes and we're not even taking into account that they just releases the alloy version which are completely sold out for 2022. Dealers can't order anymore of this year.

I can totally see them offering a link for a Rise, and if and when they did it would make the suspension even more progressive. I'm not saying its a 100% for sure, but I have talked with them about it and they said that they'd love to get there hands on a Rise and Wild FS to look at making links for them. So there's that I guess.

I would love to be wrong. Looking at the Rise leverage curve its pretty straight, there is definitely room for improvement (on paper) to try to steepen that first third and flatten the final third of travel.

In full disclosure I was considering getting their link for the Ripmo AF but did not since i wasnt sure how it was play with me over-shocking the rear already and tightening the clearance between the top pivot and the seat tube with the extra up travel.

Also in full disclosure, i havent gotten my Hydro rise yet so see how it feels with a Jade X, Topaz, DPX2, and Mara pro, to see if it even feels like it needs that modified curve. Typing that out makes me realize i have a suspension tinkering problem

 

[jbrown15]

I would love to be wrong. Looking at the Rise leverage curve its pretty straight, there is definitely room for improvement (on paper) to try to steepen that first third and flatten the final third of travel.

In full disclosure I was considering getting their link for the Ripmo AF but did not since i wasnt sure how it was play with me over-shocking the rear already and tightening the clearance between the top pivot and the seat tube with the extra up travel.

Also in full disclosure, i havent gotten my Hydro rise yet so see how it feels with a Jade X, Topaz, DPX2, and Mara pro, to see if it even feels like it needs that modified curve. Typing that out makes me realize i have a suspension tinkering problem

That's a good problem to have.....lol

That Crane Creek DB Kitsuma feels really good on my buddy's Rise.

 

[kotto25]

I would be interested in a Cascade link if they make one for the Hydro.

 

[Snowrydr01]

That's a good problem to have.....lol

That Crane Creek DB Kitsuma feels really good on my buddy's Rise.

Im VERY lazy about checking shock pressures so i run a coil in the winter and air in the summer when the temperatures are a bit more stable.

 

[fitek]

I registered with this forum just to see how this goes. I'm in Bellingham and the Rise is a pretty good match for most of the terrain but I took it to Whistler a few times and it seems like not quite enough suspension. My body is semi-accustomed to the arm pump but the bike definitely felt like it was getting beat up more than it probably should. I'm on the light weight end of the scale (maybe 65kg/150lbs in gear) so don't think I really need to upgrade wheels or anything. I have a 27.5 wheelset sitting around too.

It jumps beautifully on flow trails as is.

 

[jbrown15]

I registered with this forum just to see how this goes. I'm in Bellingham and the Rise is a pretty good match for most of the terrain but I took it to Whistler a few times and it seems like not quite enough suspension. My body is semi-accustomed to the arm pump but the bike definitely felt like it was getting beat up more than it probably should. I'm on the light weight end of the scale (maybe 65kg/150lbs in gear) so don't think I really need to upgrade wheels or anything. I have a 27.5 wheelset sitting around too.

It jumps beautifully on flow trails as is.

You rode it in the Whistler bike park? Or did some of the trails around Whistler like the trails over on Blackcomb mountain?

 

[fitek]

You rode it in the Whistler bike park? Or did some of the trails around Whistler like the trails over on Blackcomb mountain?

I rode it in the bike park. I haven't got another bike so it was that or wait in line to rent one (which I did very much consider since I wasn't crazy about potentially damaging the Rise-- but I am limited by skill not the bike so much, though after a few days of progression...). Putting it on the lift wasn't much fun but I don't suppose it's worse than a heavy DH rig.

 

[DanMcDan]

I would just be careful running a zeb at 160, the a2c is already above the maximum specified for the rise even in the shortest 150mm travel option.

 

[brewoz40]

I just spoke to Cascade links as well last week. They are very interested in making a link for the Rise and WILL be taking a look to see if they can make a link that would benefit the bike or not. And as already stated, the Rise is one of the top selling bikes out there, it would be in their best interest to make a link! I have one on my 21 Stumpy Evo and it absolutely transformed the bike. I'm hoping and crossing my fingers that they can come up with a link! As far as 160mm fork, the Orbea TEAM riders are using 160! Check out Orbeas Instagram, team riders are using 160 on the Rise. Dont see it as an issue at all!

 

[DanMcDan]

I just spoke to Cascade links as well last week. They are very interested in making a link for the Rise and WILL be taking a look to see if they can make a link that would benefit the bike or not. And as already stated, the Rise is one of the top selling bikes out there, it would be in their best interest to make a link! I have one on my 21 Stumpy Evo and it absolutely transformed the bike. I'm hoping and crossing my fingers that they can come up with a link! As far as 160mm fork, the Orbea TEAM riders are using 160! Check out Orbeas Instagram, team riders are using 160 on the Rise. Dont see it as an issue at all!

It’s not about the travel, the Zeb has a greater axle to crown distance than the 36s, therefore you can’t just state that 160 travel shouldn’t be an issue.

 

[Shjay]

Orbeas max Axle to crown is basically 150mm fox36! 561mm so the team are all over max A-C if running 160mm fox so I expect Orbea might change it!

 

[brewoz40]

Yes I get that, but were also talking 5mm difference between the Fox 36 2021/2022, which is 571, compared to the Zeb which is 576, if were talking about a 160mm. Yes its something to consider but I dont see it as an issue. Its a whole 5mm! Plenty of people running it without any issue. Plenty of people also running a Fox 38 160/170, which has axc of 573.7 at 160 and 583.7 at 170mm! Again..without any issues at all!

 

[Shjay]

I am running manitou Mezzer pro at 160mm think A-C 574mm

 

[faberle]

I have been trying to setup my Fox 36 Factory grip2 (stock M10) for several month now but I still can't get a good enough small bump compliance. My aim is "buttery smooth" and many say that this fork can be if well tuned. I watched many videos, tried all sorts of setups (LSC, HSC, air pressure, tokens out) I did lowers and air spring servicing as per the excellent video from the Lost co, ... still no huge improvement (if any) for me, it remains quite harsh on small bumps and affects performance, especially going up. I am not giving up and took it today to a suspension specialist / tuner.... one week without my Rise :-( but hopefully for the better.

 

[Jcolborn48]

I have been trying to setup my Fox 36 Factory grip2 (stock M10) for several month now but I still can't get a good enough small bump compliance. My aim is "buttery smooth" and many say that this fork can be if well tuned. I watched many videos, tried all sorts of setups (LSC, HSC, air pressure, tokens out) I did lowers and air spring servicing as per the excellent video from the Lost co, ... still no huge improvement (if any) for me, it remains quite harsh on small bumps and affects performance, especially going up. I am not giving up and took it today to a suspension specialist / tuner.... one week without my Rise :-( but hopefully for the better.

Was just complaining about the feel of my Fox 36 on small bumps yesterday. I've had 2 sets of these forks, one on an SL and now on my Rise and haven't been happy with the feel. Keep us posted on the outcome of taking it to the tuner.

 

[Gismo6303]

Hi mate, I've the same issue on my rise with the fox 36. Put some stanchion fluoro oil before every ride made it smoother. It seems you need to flip bike upside down for 30min sometime for bring the lower leg oil to the sponge under the seal

 

[Snowrydr01]

Was just complaining about the feel of my Fox 36 on small bumps yesterday. I've had 2 sets of these forks, one on an SL and now on my Rise and haven't been happy with the feel. Keep us posted on the outcome of taking it to the tuner.

My 36 performance and dvo diamond feels good, wanna trade

 

[Richridesmtb]

My 36 feels great on my Risw. My 38 is a bit more stiff on my enduro bike. Bur once the speed increases and the hits get a bit more harsh it is amazing. I have a pike on my trail bike that cannot keep up when things get rough. That said the fox bikes have alloy wheels and the trail bike carbon.

I do wonder if fox give away some of the small bump compliance for outright handling.

Other things to look out for. Make sure you setup the axle and clamping bolts correctly. Many folks say they need very little low speed compression damping, often running it fully open.

 

[Wild-Fins]

My friend converted his M10 Medium to mullet setup based on users feedback on this forum for a couple weeks now.
Front Fork Fox 36 160mm / Rear Shock Push Coil 160mm = 216x63mm (8.5x2.5) with one offset bushing (tail).

In the past couple rides, he started to hear some weird friction noise below the frame when going over some bumps - not all the time - and so did I when I took the bike for a ride. So we looked closer and found that the rear shock coil has come into contact with the frame when the rear triangle got compressed and has left some marks under the top tube. We are a bit concerned as wondering if it would cause any damage to the carbon frame.

Anybody has experienced with this issue and how would you resolve it?

 

[jbrown15]

My friend converted his M10 Medium to mullet setup based on users feedback on this forum for a couple weeks now.
Front Fork Fox 36 160mm / Rear Shock Plush Coil 160mm = 216x63mm (8.5x2.5) with one offset bushing (tail).

In the past couple rides, he started to hear some weird friction noise below the frame when going over some bumps - not all the time - and so did I when I took the bike for a ride. So we looked closer and found that the rear shock coil has come into contact with the frame when the rear frame triangle compresses and has left some marks under the top tube. We are a bit concerned as wondering if it would cause any damage to the carbon frame.

Anybody has experienced with this issue and how would you resolve it?

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Yeah that would definitely be a concern to me, what's worse is I don't think there's any chance Orbea will warranty that damage.
I don't think it will have structurally permanently damaged the frame, but I'd certainly take that shock off of the bike.

 

[Shjay]

As others said on fb Push Industry says only for L&XL frame on their website so I would remove shock or try a narrower spring than the DVO one
But won’t get any warranty as running longer shock than recommended

My friend converted his M10 Medium to mullet setup based on users feedback on this forum for a couple weeks now.
Front Fork Fox 36 160mm / Rear Shock Plush Coil 160mm = 216x63mm (8.5x2.5) with one offset bushing (tail).

In the past couple rides, he started to hear some weird friction noise below the frame when going over some bumps - not all the time - and so did I when I took the bike for a ride. So we looked closer and found that the rear shock coil has come into contact with the frame when the rear frame triangle compresses and has left some marks under the top tube. We are a bit concerned as wondering if it would cause any damage to the carbon frame.

Anybody has experienced with this issue and how would you resolve it?

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[DanMcDan]

I’ve tried quite a few springs and the fox metric sls ones are the only ones that clear my Med frame.

 

[Wild-Fins]

I’ve tried quite a few springs and the fox metric sls ones are the only ones that clear my Med frame.

Thanks, can you provide the FOX SLS Coil model #? which size? I check and there are many to choose from.

 

[Bencab]

FWIW on my medium rise - no coil rubbing issues using Storia V3 and Ohlins TTX 2M.

 

[faberle]

I have been trying to setup my Fox 36 Factory grip2 (stock M10) for several month now but I still can't get a good enough small bump compliance. My aim is "buttery smooth" and many say that this fork can be if well tuned. I watched many videos, tried all sorts of setups (LSC, HSC, air pressure, tokens out) I did lowers and air spring servicing as per the excellent video from the Lost co, ... still no huge improvement (if any) for me, it remains quite harsh on small bumps and affects performance, especially going up. I am not giving up and took it today to a suspension specialist / tuner.... one week without my Rise :-( but hopefully for the better.

Got my fork and shock back... well lubed and tuned. Result is promising on the parking slot, feels much smoother. Will do proper test this weekend. He said main problem was air in the wrong chamber + insufficient lube.

 

[Wild-Fins]

Thanks, can you provide the FOX SLS Coil model #? which size? I check and there are many to choose from.

So my friend added an offset bushing at the top along with a FOX SLS coil and the clearance (visually) seems to be better compared to before... see pic attached. Now let's see how it would perform on the trails...

 

[DanMcDan]

So my friend added an offset bushing at the top along with a FOX SLS coil and the clearance (visually) seems to be better compared to before... see pic attached. Now let's see how it would perform on the trails...

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Is that a 11/6 specifically for the rise?

 

[Wild-Fins]

Is that a 11/6 specifically for the rise?

No, just a regular 2nd hand Push 216x63 off Pinkbike. Push has no available model on its website for RISE Small/Medium

 

[DanMcDan]

No, just a regular 2nd hand Push 216x63 off Pinkbike. Push has no available model on its website for RISE Small/Medium

Yeah I have a 230x60 for a Rallon 11/6 and when I saw that they now supported the Rise I enquired about getting it reconfigured but they won’t do it with the v1 11/6