Levo Gen 2 I can't afford a new 22 Carbon Levo

[EME]

I can afford the new 22 carbon Levo but I don't want to because of I saw too many bad things were reported about this brand on this forum.

Shame , for you, is, that you have not read the stuff by those of us who think we have wonderful bikes that have behaved faultlessly despite the pilots.

 

[jbrown15]

There's more Spesh people than all the others put together - check the forum thread numbers as a guide.

You really think that's the case just based off of forum threads? I see the occasional Levo and Kenevo out when riding but not more than all of the other brands combined.

 

[Bigtuna00]

The group I ride with (5-15 people depending on the day) is 95% Specialized. We have a Rail...and I think that's it. On the flip side I think every single one of them has had the motor replaced except maybe the guy on a 2018 Levo.

 

[EebStrider]

Irrelevant. As long as the bike allows me to ride at MY full potential then I'm fine. I don't need AXS but I can appreciate it and I can feel the difference over a cheaper group set. It does nothing to my riding. I still want it on my bike. And if there weren't people prepared to spend the big bucks there's be no trickle down. All the people about to buy AXS GX should write me a thank you letter.

It's a public service, I tell ya......

Gordon

p.s. I've worked really hard. I like nice things.

You’re doing good work, take a bow! ?

No idea what price has to do with skill level.

DO AXS droppers and drivetrain require greater skills?
Carbon vs Alu frame -- the same I
etc etc ..

I cant ride any e-MTB to its full potential. Doesn't stop me wanting the nicest around though ..

But why get the most expensive bike if you can’t realise its full potential? Vanity? Bragging rights?

Seems strange to me, especially when there are many bikes for half the price that’ll be as good as a large percentage of riders will ever be able to realise. And with less reported issues.

At the end of the day, it’s your money, so as long as folk pay the prices being charged, prices will keep going up. Paying more for a bicycle than a motorbike, no thanks.

 

[Four Flusher]

I've been watching this for a few days, and I finally figured out what I could add. For me and I think a lot of folks are just disappointed, but It's not really the price that's the issue. It's that specialized is only releasing top spec models. Plenty of people could afford these glam rigs but without some lower spec models it kind of an insult to their loyal fans. My local dealer told me that he was told that a lower a spec New Levo may not come for a very long time if at all.

 

[jbrown15]

The group I ride with (5-15 people depending on the day) is 95% Specialized. We have a Rail...and I think that's it. On the flip side I think every single one of them has had the motor replaced except maybe the guy on a 2018 Levo.

Seriously? You have 14 friends that all rider Specialized? I don't think I've ever seen more than two at once on a ride in my area.

 

[Jimbo Vills]

You’re doing good work, take a bow! ?



But why get the most expensive bike if you can’t realise its full potential? Vanity? Bragging rights?

Seems strange to me, especially when there are many bikes for half the price that’ll be as good as a large percentage of riders will ever be able to realise.

At the end of the day, it’s your money, so as long as folk pay the prices being charged, prices will keep going up. Paying more for a bicycle than a motorbike, no thanks.

why buy any top spec luxury item when a ‘lesser’ product does ‘the same’ for a fraction of the cost.

simple answer is because you might be in a fortunate position to and it floats your boat.

why does it matter. We all have our own justification on what we feel our hard earned is acceptably disposed on.

 

[Jimbo Vills]

Seriously? You have 14 friends that all rider Specialized? I don't think I've ever seen more than two at once on a ride in my area.

I know, it’s hard to believe anyone with an e bike could have 14 friends...

that surely is a geographical thing then, in the uk where I ride, I’d say you’d see the majority on specialised

my bro in law just got a Scott, it’s lovely. Don’t see many. But very popular in Italy and Spain I believe ??‍

he’s half Italian so guess it’s in his genes ?

 

[jbrown15]

I know, it’s hard to believe anyone with an e bike could have 14 friends...

that surely is a geographical thing then, in the uk where I ride, I’d say you’d see the majority on specialised

my bro in law just got a Scott, it’s lovely. Don’t see many. But very popular in Italy and Spain I believe ??‍

he’s half Italian so guess it’s in his genes ?

Wow ok, I'm out in the PNW on the Canadian border side and I just don't see that many Specialized bikes. I have three buddies with them but more friends with different brands.

 

[Jimbo Vills]

Wow ok, I'm out in the PNW on the Canadian border side and I just don't see that many Specialized bikes. I have three buddies with them but more friends with different brands.

certainly from what I’ve noticed it’s prob 50% - 60% spesh to other brands?
Just an observation... be interested to hear what others think on it

 

[EebStrider]

why buy any top spec luxury item when a ‘lesser’ product does ‘the same’ for a fraction of the cost.

simple answer is because you might be in a fortunate position to and it floats your boat.

why does it matter. We all have our own justification on what we feel our hard earned is acceptably disposed on.

It makes no odds to me how people choose to spend their money, but as long as people keep paying extortionate prices, those prices will keep going up. Is a bike that’s cheaper actually “lesser” if that cheaper bike is more reliable, with the same components?

It’s been mentioned all over this forum about the reliability of specialized bikes, so I find it a bit strange that people keep paying for unreliability.

If I was going to drop £13k on a bicycle, I’d want more peace of mind than what I’m reading on here and hearing about from owners on the trails.

 

[DanMcDan]

Got 1 wife .. problems .. Got 10 wives - 10 times as many problems !

Are Mormons allowed ebikes?

 

[Jimbo Vills]

It makes no odds to me how people choose to spend their money, but as long as people keep paying extortionate prices, those prices will keep going up. Is a bike that’s cheaper actually “lesser” if that cheaper bike is more reliable, with the same components?

It’s been mentioned all over this forum about the reliability of specialized bikes, so I find it a bit strange that people keep paying for unreliability.

If I was going to drop £13k on a bicycle, I’d want more peace of mind than what I’m reading on here and hearing about from owners on the trails.

it didn’t appear that you was comparing brands though mate, spec for spec.

seemed you was saying that high spec bikes are wasted on people and bought for their own vanity if they don’t posses pro level skills.

It’s mentioned all over the forum because the majority of ‘traffic’ on the forum is about specialised. And people generally only post about issues. Don’t see many threads titled ‘just had another great ride on my kenevo’ do you ?

just look at that thread and post count. Not surprising you hear more spesh problems than trek is it?

 

[Rosemount]

I've been watching this for a few days, and I finally figured out what I could add. For me and I think a lot of folks are just disappointed, but It's not really the price that's the issue. It's that specialized is only releasing top spec models. Plenty of people could afford these glam rigs but without some lower spec models it kind of an insult to their loyal fans. My local dealer told me that he was told that a lower a spec New Levo may not come for a very long time if at all.

New spec is more " specialised " ie more suited to down hills and high speeds .
Steeper STA will mean more weight on your hands when pedaling seated . The slacker head tube angle will mean you have to ride in a much more aggressive stance to weight the front tyre to stop it from washing out . And slower steering .

The old school Levos will probably suit the majority better than the Levo Evo . Judging by the demographic of the posters on this forum . Middle aged or older . Prolly less need for the enduro style geometry .

 

[EME]

You’re doing good work, take a bow! ?



But why get the most expensive bike if you can’t realise its full potential? Vanity? Bragging rights?

Seems strange to me, especially when there are many bikes for half the price that’ll be as good as a large percentage of riders will ever be able to realise. And with less reported issues.

At the end of the day, it’s your money, so as long as folk pay the prices being charged, prices will keep going up. Paying more for a bicycle than a motorbike, no thanks.

No, I update what I like for comfort and fun and because I can .... your logic would suggest I shouldn't buy a bike at all. I cant use any of them to their 'full potential".

What car do you drive ? I guarantee that you cant drive that to its 'full potential' either and if its anything other than a base model ... why? You can do what you like.

A bicycle isnt a motorbike. You might as well say you'd prefer a Rolex watch.

 

[EME]

I've been watching this for a few days, and I finally figured out what I could add. For me and I think a lot of folks are just disappointed, but It's not really the price that's the issue. It's that specialized is only releasing top spec models. Plenty of people could afford these glam rigs but without some lower spec models it kind of an insult to their loyal fans. My local dealer told me that he was told that a lower a spec New Levo may not come for a very long time if at all.

I'm no expert , nor do have inside information like some, but 'a top-end models only' policy makes a lot of sense at the moment for all manufacturers.

We all know there are worldwide parts shortages in many industries. It is clear the bike manufacturers are suffering as well in this respect. It makes sense to then focus on your most expensive ( and presumably profitable ) models if you can. This maximises your return when you may have to decrease total volumes. I am assuming that parts availability is consistent across ranges .

This approach wont be limited to Specialized of course.

 

[EebStrider]

it didn’t appear that you was comparing brands though mate, spec for spec.

seemed you was saying that high spec bikes are wasted on people and bought for their own vanity if they don’t posses pro level skills.

It’s mentioned all over the forum because the majority of ‘traffic’ on the forum is about specialised. And people generally only post about issues. Don’t see many threads titled ‘just had another great ride on my kenevo’ do you ?

just look at that thread and post count. Not surprising you hear more spesh problems than trek is it?

Good point about forum traffic, and you’re right, not many people post good positive stuff, theres always more focus on negative on forums.

Forum aside, most owners that I’ve chatted to when our and about seem to have had issues though, so I can’t get my head around a company charging premium prices for non premium products.

As we’ve already agreed, people can spend their money how they want. Specialized obviously know their target market for these bikes, and that people will pay whatever they want to charge, regardless of reliability. I’ll continue to be baffled.

 

[Pdoz]

Imagine being that guy who decided a green frame ducati or mk 1 lemans was a few hundred too expensive so you bought a Honda and still have it.

The mortgage is paid, you have lost count of how much your significant other spent on shoes last year, and it's more interesting swinging a gold club than being at home.

A base model levo is probably twice as much bike as you need, but life is too short to think about needs

 

[Bruce_in_TO]

I cannot afford it and I do NOT care:

I am getting one.

 

[Zimmerframe]

I cannot afford it and I do NOT care:

I am getting one.

You know, if you really can't afford it, then you probably can't afford 2 either ?? I'll PM you my address

 

[High Rock Ruti]

Roll up Roll up !

Can't afford one, but like the idea .. this is the thread for you ..

Don't like it, but have nothing better to do than share with everyone that you're not going to buy one .. this is the thread for you ..

Don't own a mobile phone and upset they didn't squeeze a 48" widescreen tv into the frame .. this is the thread for you ..

Have absolutely no interest in it at all .. and just want to moan about something .. like house prices, boat prices, the prices of super cars, that $4000 they want for a bamboo fishing rod. Or even something which isn't a choice, like the prices of medication you need to keep yourself alive .. this is the thread for you .. Actually, if you're in the medication bracket, don't post here, this is just for people who want to complain about not buying something they have the choice not to buy.

High Rock Ruti

Zimm come to Boston I'll buy you the new Levo, we only have so much time left buddy, which is why I ordered mine last week, but I'm not extravagant bought the cheap one....$13,000 USD

Warm Regards

Ruti

 

[Zimmerframe]

High Rock Ruti

Zimm come to Boston I'll buy you the new Levo, we only have so much time left buddy, which is why I ordered mine last week, but I'm not extravagant bought the cheap one....$13,000 USD

Warm Regards

Ruti

Cool !! Should be amazing ! Looking forward to hear how you get on with it and with your history as part of the "Superhero group" (serial motor destroyers) if all the motor updates hold upto your abuse !! Fingers,toes & testicles crossed for good luck !

Any idea on delivery dates ?

 

[High Rock Ruti]

Cool !! Should be amazing ! Looking forward to hear how you get on with it and with your history as part of the "Superhero group" (serial motor destroyers) if all the motor updates hold upto your abuse !! Fingers,toes & testicles crossed for good luck !

Any idea on delivery dates ?

High Rock Ruti

There was talk of June, don't believe it though. I'm just jaded, got the supply chain blues. "Woke up this morning, both cars were gone I feel so low down, I threw my drink across the lawn" Martin Mull late seventies the lake Michigan delta blues.

Warm Regards Ruti

 

[Moe Ped]

I bought the pro, I cant ride it to its max and don’t care.

I actually cant ride it at all as I injured my back last month.

 

[Mina08]

until i ride an ebike that feels better than my gen 1 levo i ain't buying

 

[Norange]

Not getting the logic at all here. More expensive bikes *should* have better suspension, better handling, better brakes and more power/range. Or at least a combination of some of those things. An unfit biffer with questionable skills HAS to benefit more from those than a svelte riding god.

Fortunately for me, I've earned all my bikes

 

[Jeff McD]

Rosemont said: "The slacker head tube angle will mean you have to ride in a much more aggressive stance to weight the front tyre to stop it from washing out . And slower steering"

If you go back and listen to Rob's initial eval you'll find this isn't true. The shorter 44 mm offset of the fork makes it very nimble and quick steering, compared to older models. Just thought I would point that out. Don't know about more pressure on the hands either