Hybridizer Sann Bafang M500 series Aluminum FS

[Who’s There]

Cef49 (M560) - 22kg, Cef50 (M820) - 18,5kg, e10, M600 - 25kg. I'm tired of the noise of the M820 and M560 engines. Therefore, I decided to assemble the E82 with the M510 engine. I used to have an M510 v1.0 engine and it was very quiet. Do you think the CEF50 frame weighing 2.7 kg is a good frame? Why can't we make a 2.7 kg frame for the M510 motor?

I’m waiting on a cef50 with M510 mounting plus some sort of flip chip to run mullet retaining the nice geometry! If it was possible to get Shimano ep801 complete packages at a decent price I would just get a CEF52 (Also waiting on selling anything I have in my garage to free up space) (Also considering CEF49 if no new frames crop up) Hybridizer is almost perfect too, depends on which way my mood is once I sell off obstacles!

 

[EFEEVO]

Only if you use XC tires can you save 1 kg or more. However, I believe a proper 160+ mm enduro bike requires heavy-duty components and quality equipment. If you shave your legs to save watts, then every gram counts.

 

[EFEEVO]

Yesterday I weighed my Hybridizer.
The total weight is 24.8kg.
The components are:

Fox38 Factory Kashima Grip 2 fork, 170mm
SuperDeluxe Ultimate rear shock
Fox Transfer dropper, 150mm
Seat from AliExpress with titanium rails
29" Syncros Revelstoke 1.5 rims
Continental tires with DH casing
Hayes Dominion A4 brakes
Burgtec Ride High Josh Bryceland Signature Alloy Enduro 35mm handlebars
Funn Equalizer 35mm stem
Sram GX 11-speed derailleur with shifter
Sram XG1175 10/42 cassette
ZTTO pedals
ZTTO dropper lever
And other small staf

 

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Hybridizer Sann in either MX setup or 29er
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Personally, I do prefer it as a full 29er. Note the none-driveside crank position per each image to guage bb height change

Hi, do you know by any chance if they make it in carbon?

 

[kaaskopf]

Yesterday I weighed my Hybridizer.
The total weight is 24.8kg.
The components are:

Fox38 Factory Kashima Grip 2 fork, 170mm
SuperDeluxe Ultimate rear shock
Fox Transfer dropper, 150mm
Seat from AliExpress with titanium rails
29" Syncros Revelstoke 1.5 rims
Continental tires with DH casing
Hayes Dominion A4 brakes
Burgtec Ride High Josh Bryceland Signature Alloy Enduro 35mm handlebars
Funn Equalizer 35mm stem
Sram GX 11-speed derailleur with shifter
Sram XG1175 10/42 cassette
ZTTO pedals
ZTTO dropper lever
And other small staf

got pics?

 

[Alessio77]

Hi, do you know by any chance if they make it in carbon?

only aluminum alloy frames

 

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only aluminum alloy frames

ok thank you, too bad I would have liked it

 

[EFEEVO]

Hybridizer posted new, longer rear fender for 3d print.
How do you like your Hybridizer Sunn?

 

[Tjhell]

Incase anyone was interested,
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this is the stock tune on the M560 which comes with the Hybridizer Sann

Hey Neeko, can you update the firmware on the SANN with Besst pro? I’ve been told by K1 I have an early beta FW on my M560 SANN and Hybridizer said I need to ship it back to them for FW updates, which is insane!

 

[freextr]

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Hybridizer posted new, longer rear fender for 3d print.
How do you like your Hybridizer Sunn? View attachment 154489

Im from slovenija too (kanal ob soči). How much was the price for frame if I may ask?

 

[Neeko DeVinchi]

Hey Neeko, can you update the firmware on the SANN with Besst pro? I’ve been told by K1 I have an early beta FW on my M560 SANN and Hybridizer said I need to ship it back to them for FW updates, which is insane!

Hi Tom,
Yes you can connect Besst with the Sann.

Although the display doesn't register because it's not a official Bafang display, the motor will. Mine came with the M560, which is can freely update the firmware between 500w - 750w.

Amending parameters remains the same (like M510, M820 etc).

What difficulties are you encountering?

 

[Tjhell]

Hi Tom,
Yes you can connect Besst with the Sann.
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Although the display doesn't register because it's not a official Bafang display, the motor will. Mine came with the M560, which is can freely update the firmware between 500w - 750w.
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Amending parameters remains the same (like M510, M820 etc).

What difficulties are you encountering?

Thanks for the info. I just ordered the Besst from Ali so I should have it to try in a week or so.

How’s the motor noise on your M560? Mine is very high pitched compared to other motors I’ve heard, although after 300km it’s either gotten a bit quieter or I’m now so used it that it’s not really a problem. I’m still envious of my friends silent M600 though. So much that I even considered buying one.

 

[ATXZJ]

120 day ownership update

Anyone else having issues with the rubber charging port cover on the 2nd gen Sann? It was extremely difficult to get back into place since day one. So much so, I ended up distorting the rubber o-ring that goes inside the port to the point that it no longer worked correctly. The plastic bash guard actually overhung the rubber charging port cover causing me to tuck and bend it under the guard and that was causing the misalignment with the o-ring and port. I contacted Hybridizer and they acknowledged there was an interference issue with the battery/frame/guard that made it difficult to secure the cover. They recommended loosening and readjusting the battery position. That did not work as the battery was already so tight in the downtube that there was no adjustment left. I ended up cutting down the guard around the charging port so it would fit straight on without having to tuck it under the guard and bend it. However, the cover is already so far gone it barely stays on.

At this point, I dread having to charge this bike.

 

[EFEEVO]

120 day ownership update

Anyone else having issues with the rubber charging port cover on the 2nd gen Sann? It was extremely difficult to get back into place since day one. So much so, I ended up distorting the rubber o-ring that goes inside the port to the point that it no longer worked correctly. The plastic bash guard actually overhung the rubber charging port cover causing me to tuck and bend it under the guard and that was causing the misalignment with the o-ring and port. I contacted Hybridizer and they acknowledged there was an interference issue with the battery/frame/guard that made it difficult to secure the cover. They recommended loosening and readjusting the battery position. That did not work as the battery was already so tight in the downtube that there was no adjustment left. I ended up cutting down the guard around the charging port so it would fit straight on without having to tuck it under the guard and bend it. However, the cover is already so far gone it barely stays on.

At this point, I dread having to charge this bike.

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I have a first-generation 720 Wh battery. I have no issues with closing, but I did have a problem with water entering through the charging port, which corroded the Bluetooth module. I recommend contacting Hybridizer; otherwise, you might face water issues in the battery.

Klemen

 

[Tjhell]

120 day ownership update

Anyone else having issues with the rubber charging port cover on the 2nd gen Sann? It was extremely difficult to get back into place since day one. So much so, I ended up distorting the rubber o-ring that goes inside the port to the point that it no longer worked correctly. The plastic bash guard actually overhung the rubber charging port cover causing me to tuck and bend it under the guard and that was causing the misalignment with the o-ring and port. I contacted Hybridizer and they acknowledged there was an interference issue with the battery/frame/guard that made it difficult to secure the cover. They recommended loosening and readjusting the battery position. That did not work as the battery was already so tight in the downtube that there was no adjustment left. I ended up cutting down the guard around the charging port so it would fit straight on without having to tuck it under the guard and bend it. However, the cover is already so far gone it barely stays on.

At this point, I dread having to charge this bike.

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The design has definitely been improved on the most recent models with M560. I think Hybridizer should be sending you a replacement cover.

I use an airline on mine after washing to keep it clean and dry.

 

[Tomblarom]

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[EFEEVO]

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ROCKSHOX Rear Shock SUPER DELUXE COIL SELECT 205x60mm (00.4118.332.013) / 69.99€ instead of 599.00€ ROCKSHOX Amortisseur SUPER DELUXE COIL SELECT R 205x60mm (350lbs) (00.4118.332.013) ROCKSHOX Rear Shock SUPER DELUXE COIL SELECT 205x60mm (00.4118.332.013)

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Wrong size shox, hybridizer needs 210x55

 

[Tomblarom]

Wrong size shox, hybridizer needs 210x55

My bad! It has been a while since I looked into the datasheet. Sorry for misleading!

 

[Dino24]

What would be best suited motor and size for a person 180cm 86kg?
I'm looking for size L with m560 but the m510 isn't bad...