Covid 19 worries !

[Zimmerframe]

Large 29er

And I have no plans to sell it to you vultures!

SELL !! SELL !!!! We'll be taking it in exchange for your obscenely expensive burial plot ! It's supply and demand ! All the rich people will be buying the decent plots to die in.

Now that they're finally starting to think about maybe not building new housing estates on flood plain's, that frees the flood planes up to be new mass burial sites, ripe for selling off as individual expensive plots !

I've already started writing the script for next winters new AMC horror TV Series .. "The Floating Dead"..

 

[billwarwick]

Large 29er

And I have no plans to sell it to you vultures!

We weren’t thinking of paying for it . More of a bequest to a grateful forum so that your memory lives on.?

 

[Zimmerframe]

We weren’t thinking of paying for it . More of a bequest to a grateful forum so that your memory lives on.?

Do you think we can organise a Steve Sordy memorial bike drag ? Maybe get 1000 people with bike racks to lower their bikes "Sordy Style" with the bars on the road and all drive along together ?

We could possibly commercialise it with a bars and grips supplier providing replacements for free ?

And ? of course for the ebikers.

 

[CjP]

Do you think we can organise a Steve Sordy memorial bike drag ? Maybe get 1000 people with bike racks to lower their bikes "Sordy Style" with the bars on the road and all drive along together ?

We could possibly commercialise it with a bars and grips supplier providing replacements for free ?

And ? of course for the ebikers.

And beers

 

[Fivetones]

Appears to be a media frenzy about sweet FA.
More people dies daily from cancer - or heart disease - or diabetes - or AIDS - or suicides - or mosquito born diseases - or car crashes. Hell, over 600 people are murdered in Chicago annually.

Take a deep breath (not of somebodys sneezes) and nmake sure you wash your hands regularly.

Tell me it‘s about ‘sweet FA‘ when it takes someone you love (like your mum or dad, or even your partner). I think your pragmatic thinking is fine though to protect others even if you’re fine. Let’s think collectively, life is not always all about the individual. Something we forget these days.

 

[Mikerb]

Keep a sense of proportion mate...the same could be said for Flu, or many other daily hazzards we all encounter.

 

[#lazy]

Wait till brexit kicks in !

 

[Zimmerframe]

Keep a sense of proportion mate...the same could be said for Flu, or many other daily hazzards we all encounter.

I think the point people are trying to make is that in every day life there are risks and things which might end that life. We take steps to mitigate those risks.

This is a new additional risk. At the moment it looks like it's about 100 times more likely to kill you than what we think of as ordinary influenza.

So to you use your figures. If the plain old ordinary one kills 20000 a year in the UK, if the new one spreads in the same way and infects the same number of people - we don't know at the moment how badly it spreads but with the amount of large scale disinfecting of stations and whole cities, presumably more so, then the UK could expect 2,000,000 dead in a year. Hence the need to maybe be a bit more cautious on becoming infected or infecting others - as you may already have it and accidentally be spreading it.

 

[STATO]

Keep a sense of proportion mate...the same could be said for Flu, or many other daily hazzards we all encounter.

The confirmed infection-to-death ratio was at 3% the other day, out of the hundreds of people you probably know most will have had flu, mumps, measles etc. in their life and not had that level of risk of death. Certainly the spread is considerably less currently and the ability now to identify and manage any cases is now getting better, but still it is serious and people do need to protect themselves and others by acting appropriately. For most folks that just means wash their hands, for a lot it means the same but also reduce unnecessary work travel to prevent potential spread. For a few who are at high risk due to medical reasons it means actively avoiding people.

Everyone is subject to daily risk, especially as cyclists if you cycle on the road, but if you contract this it will likely be the biggest risk most people will face, even as a healthy person. Thankfully significantly reducing the chance of getting it is very easy.

EDIT: we've actually just had a confirmed case a mile or so away from my office, and it looks like they attended a kids party prior to being confirmed. Fingers crossed it was not passed on to anyone there.

 

[Fivetones]

Keep a sense of proportion mate...the same could be said for Flu, or many other daily hazzards we all encounter.

I’m asking you, and others in this thread, to treat this with the caution that is needed. This is serious - it’s not just another flu.

The evidence so far suggests that many will get this and it’s milder but more contagious than SARS, for example, but for those that do get it and are weakened it’s very serious and could take someone close to you. A little care to arm yourself with the facts (from reputable sources - not someone down the pub), along with those around you is the responsible thing to do. However, mass panic caused by misinformation is not the responsible thing to do. Simple pragmatic things are a small thing to incorporate into life and could make all the difference.

This is an interesting listen:
Covid-19: where in the body does it infect us? – Science Weekly Extra

 

[steve_sordy]

This is quite good, from the series of TED talks

 

[STATO]

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This is quite good, from the series of TED talks

All i know is that if Trump thinks 'its fine, like totally fine, better than fine, its something he had, many times, in the history he is ok, looney tunes, im a human carrot, trust me', then im really worried .

 

[Fivetones]

Train wreck of a man. (And yes I know I said I think we should keep politics out of this but....)

 

[AdrianWindo]

I was on the phone to Sky this morning, sorting out a Sky Q upgrade.
It's almost 2 months until they can install it. The reason - they are in short supply of the boxes, and they are made in China. Delays with staffing issues, and then they have to be quarantined when they come into the UK.

I'm supposed to be going to Dubai on holiday in about 4 weeks... but am starting to think my chances of getting are unlikely. Although they probably won't have Coronavirus over there (it can't survive above about 30°C?), having to go through airports and sit on a plane may be a real issue.

 

[Fivetones]

A good matter of fact article.

Has Covid-19 mutated into a more deadly strain? Busting the coronavirus myths

 

[Rusty]

I think your pragmatic thinking is fine though to protect others even if you’re fine. Let’s think collectively, life is not always all about the individual. Something we forget these days.

First world worries. Seriously, more kids are going to die of hunger this year in Africa than from Covid-19 I expect, but we don't see the media frenzy about that.

In New Zealand around 400-500 people die of Influenza related issues every year and yes I have lost a loved one that way. I myself am in the 'at risk' category but I don't go weak at the knees worrying about every new threat. I am of the opinion that when your time comes - it comes. Was in an induced coma for a month when I was 19 ..... my time had not come as I was not expected to survive.

I think in reality, a lot of the issues we worry about are really not that bad. If child mortality rates were in the 40% range like they were in the 1800s instead of the 2-4% of today, but still way high in Africa, then we would have something to worry about.
Then again, with the world 30-50% over-populated perhaps things aren't all that bad?

 

[Mikerb]

The confirmed infection-to-death ratio was at 3% the other day, out of the hundreds of people you probably know most will have had flu, mumps, measles etc. in their life and not had that level of risk of death. Certainly the spread is considerably less currently and the ability now to identify and manage any cases is now getting better, but still it is serious and people do need to protect themselves and others by acting appropriately. For most folks that just means wash their hands, for a lot it means the same but also reduce unnecessary work travel to prevent potential spread. For a few who are at high risk due to medical reasons it means actively avoiding people.

Everyone is subject to daily risk, especially as cyclists if you cycle on the road, but if you contract this it will likely be the biggest risk most people will face, even as a healthy person. Thankfully significantly reducing the chance of getting it is very easy.

EDIT: we've actually just had a confirmed case a mile or so away from my office, and it looks like they attended a kids party prior to being confirmed. Fingers crossed it was not passed on to anyone there.[/Q

I think the point people are trying to make is that in every day life there are risks and things which might end that life. We take steps to mitigate those risks.

This is a new additional risk. At the moment it looks like it's about 100 times more likely to kill you than what we think of as ordinary influenza.

So to you use your figures. If the plain old ordinary one kills 20000 a year in the UK, if the new one spreads in the same way and infects the same number of people - we don't know at the moment how badly it spreads but with the amount of large scale disinfecting of stations and whole cities, presumably more so, then the UK could expect 2,000,000 dead in a year. Hence the need to maybe be a bit more cautious on becoming infected or infecting others - as you may already have it and accidentally be spreading it.

I think your hypothesis is flawed old mate! The death rate of the proportion of those known to be infected takes no account of the numbers who may also be infected but the symptoms for them are so mild that they shrug it off as a cold etc and are not tested. So the death rate is a proportion of those TESTED AS POSITIVE..a very different stat. The current global death rate includes a significant number in China who were very close to the origins of the virus and it is known that the outbreak started there in dec 2019 but few if any precautions were taken until late January. Many of the deaths there were among health workers and others who had multiple exposure to the virus. To look at it from a very different perspective, take a country fore warned of the virus and with good medical care facilities and a strategy to deal with the virus. The UK has 115 known positive test infected people the majority of whom contracted the virus on ski trips to Italy. So at nearly 3 months into global spread of the virus the UK with a population of 65 million has 115 known cases. Out of that 115 there has been 1 death.....a person with pre existing medical conditions. Clearly the number infected will increase. Many will not be sick enough to report their illness or get tested. A smaller proportion will be worse affected for a couple of weeks but recover with some medical help. A much smaller proportion consisting those at risk even from the more common corona virus or flu will be at greater risk. That is the pattern for any such virus and appears little different with this one. That by the way is what the UKs Chief Medical Officer is saying...not FB!!

 

[Hitby]

We're about where China/Wuhan were in December. If you don't think it has already spread across the whole country you're deluded. Hopefully in 6 weeks you'll all bring this post back up and say I was nuts...I'd be extremely surprised if that happens though.

 

[Fivetones]

You can both keep denying the reality if you like. However, just wash your hands regularly please.

This is the link to the UK CMOs’ advice for us all in the UK:

Coronavirus (COVID-19)

 

[Changleen]

The best thing about Covid is that it might make a tiny dent in the amount of CO2 humanity shits into the environment every year. In terms of the lethality and impact vs. the media response I don’t know what to say.

As of now, by just March, three months into 2020, 2.35 million people have so far died from all communicable diseases. 80,000-odd have died of regular seasonal flu. 56,000 women have died in childbirth. I could go on and on. Covid is a tiny pimple of deaths.
So Tiny. All it has is the ‘new and scary’, but actually we already see the trends if we care to look, and it has the media going Blah! Boogah boogah!

It would be 1000x better if we focussed our energy on the fact that our fundamental way of organising work and life is destroying the planet. That seems a little more pressing than this one tiny pimple on our butt.

 

[#lazy]

The best thing about Covid is that it might make a tiny dent in the amount of CO2 humanity shits into the environment every year. In terms of the lethality and impact vs. the media response I don’t know what to say.

As of now, by just March, three months into 2020, 2.35 million people have so far died from all communicable diseases. 80,000-odd have died of regular seasonal flu. 56,000 women have died in childbirth. I could go on and on. Covid is a tiny pimple of deaths.
So Tiny. All it has is the ‘new and scary’, but actually we already see the trends if we care to look, and it has the media going Blah! Boogah boogah!

It would be 1000x better if we focussed our energy on the fact that our fundamental way of organising work and life is destroying the planet. That seems a little more pressing than this one tiny pimple on our butt.

So you and Rusty are putting your names on the Euthanasia list then ?

 

[Fivetones]

It would be 1000x better if we focussed our energy on the fact that our fundamental way of organising work and life is destroying the planet. That seems a little more pressing than this one tiny pimple on our butt.

How humanity deals with a pandemic viral outbreak (and I disagree as to how serious this is) might pave the way to dealing with other large scale emergencies like dealing with the climate. we can but hope.

Your attitude to deaths from Covid 19 is similar to the west’s view on climate. The developing world will be disproportionately affected by a changing climate so most governments are prepared to take the risk that voters don’t care enough. It’s just media hype, blah etc.

I’ve posted enough information please don’t be one of the ignorant ones.

 

[Mikerb]

Yep climate change is a fact of life...it has been happening for millions of years! Ps did you know the global temperature average went down in 2019....that despite a further increase in co2? Look it up youself on the NASA website. Broken down into the regions defined by NASA every region except Europe and Australia cooled considerably. Europe remained about constant whilst Australia warmed ....the rest of the world cooled.

 

[Fivetones]

Yep climate change is a fact of life...it has been happening for millions of years! Ps did you know the global temperature average went down in 2019....that despite a further increase in co2? Look it up youself on the NASA website. Broken down into the regions defined by NASA every region except Europe and Australia cooled considerably. Europe remained about constant whilst Australia warmed ....the rest of the world cooled.

Climate change denier too huh? I’m not going to grace this nonsense with any more response.

 

[Zimmerframe]

I've just been reading that in development with @steve_sordy , Cannondale are developing the "Lefty" handlebar !

Front and rear brakes will all be controlled using the left hand using an electro over hydraulic system and gear changes will be made using gestures.

The new system is Stiffer, lighter and offers modern riders more options when carrying their bikes, leaning their bikes, reduced damage when dragging their bikes along the road and completely frees the right hand for the modern e-biker for using the phone, taking selfies, holding your beer, eating your pizza.

Cannondale are also promising a 50% reduction in grip costs over the lifetime of the bar.

 

[Mikerb]

Climate change denier too huh? I’m not going to grace this nonsense with any more response.

I recognize the right of everyone to have their own opinions and have no interest in imposing what I consider to be the absolute irrefutable truth on anyone else.

 

[Fivetones]

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

 

[miPbiP]

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

wasting your time. don't, it's short.

 

[Changleen]

Great summary of stats about Covid:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 101,764 Cases and 3,461 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

 

[CjP]

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