commencal 2021

[noblige]

Unless you need a bike right away. Every bike with EP8 is on hold for undetermined amount of time right now.

 

[Woody12]

melmark woody12 no brainer for me - Commencal is better speced, does not have proprietary shock mount and costs less money. Especially if you going for blind purchase anyway.

Cheers, that’s what I was thinking as well.

 

[Woody12]

I'm in the same boat. Rail 9.8 vs Meta Team. Rail is carbon fiber and $1.5k more, meta better spec, Rail 5 lbs lighter.....also leaning Meta due to spec and looks

It’s a hard decision. The essential for $10k aussie or $12k for the signature which has the spec I would likely end up with down the track anyway.... in for a penny in for a pound may be the best way to approach this ?

 

[Matt_Rider]

Is it just me but is the SX a better bike than the 29 Essential? I want the

It’s a hard decision. The essential for $10k aussie or $12k for the signature which has the spec I would likely end up with down the track anyway.... in for a penny in for a pound may be the best way to approach this ?

I was ready to pull the trigger on a 29 Team at or around the old price. Now it's gone up by that much?

New motor looks the goods too apart from the noise when free wheeling. I thought the 29 team was a shoe in. Now i'm back looking at Levo's and Decoys...

 

[magnil]

I was ready to pull the trigger on a 29 Team at or around the old price. Now it's gone up by that much?

New motor looks the goods too apart from the noise when free wheeling. I thought the 29 team was a shoe in. Now i'm back looking at Levo's and Decoys...

Same here. Was pretty sure my new bike would be new Shimano and probably Commencal. With the pricing and sound it will probably be Levo again.

 

[Bogdan_CH]

Us prices are decent but euro ones went through the roof by 20% more (€1200 extra for team) . Pricing in Europe is just crazy :

 

[magnil]

Us prices are decent but euro ones went through the roof by 20% more (€1200 extra for team) . Pricing in Europe is just crazy :

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Old bike 9% more in USD, new bike 8% less in USD. Something is definitely wrong.

 

[Matt_Rider]

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Old bike 9% more in USD, new bike 8% less in USD. Something is definitely wrong.

Guess is US prices are exclusive of tax. They have a state based tax whereas here in Australia it's a flat 10% gst. Should buy one in America and get it sent here haha

 

[Woody12]

Just browsing the Merida site and The 2021 e160 8000, ep8, carbon frame with a nice build spec is listed at $8999 aud. Seems like a more realistic price point.

 

[nickfrog]

Us prices are decent but euro ones went through the roof by 20% more (€1200 extra for team) . Pricing in Europe is just crazy :

That was my reaction. The entry level bike is €1,000 more than the 2020 entry level bike although 38 instead of 36 but Deore chain and cassette plus still no DT Swiss wheels at that price, come on.
Will be interesting to see where other brands price their EP8 2021 bikes, and particularly YT.

 

[Duggan]

Just been having a skeet, the equivalent spec 27 SX to the last year is about £1000 more expensive ? it does have the Zeb ultimate’s and the new motor and battery etc....
But personally don’t think it has the wow ? factor of either of the 2020 models, both the Sx and Sx signature look incredible.

 

[Frirish]

That was my reaction. The entry level bike is €1,000 more than the 2020 entry level bike although 38 instead of 36 but Deore chain and cassette plus still no DT Swiss wheels at that price, come on.
Will be interesting to see where other brands price their EP8 2021 bikes, and particularly YT.

I can bet you the Decoy will get at least a €500 price increase ...
Was looking forward to Commencal new release, but I will be holding on YT, Propain next annoncement and still hope Nukeproof and Vitus will release something (they are usually well place price-wise)

 

[nickfrog]

Yes agreed they will align but if the increase is limited to €500 that should give YT quite an advantage.

 

[Zedaspedras]

That was my reaction. The entry level bike is €1,000 more than the 2020 entry level bike although 38 instead of 36 but Deore chain and cassette plus still no DT Swiss wheels at that price, come on.
Will be interesting to see where other brands price their EP8 2021 bikes, and particularly YT.

The difference in spec from a 36 and a 38 and lyrik to zeb can't ever justify the inflation. They cost about the same...

 

[Zedaspedras]

For 7k I'll buy a canyon spectral on and live happily with older engine

 

[Gw0175]

I have the YT Decoy elite ordered but the assembly/ dispatch time keeps going back (now mid October from mid August).

With the decoy having the older Shimano motor, I can't help but think about cancelling my order and getting a Commy with the newer motor..... Hmmm

 

[nickfrog]

The difference in spec from a 36 and a 38 and lyrik to zeb can't ever justify the inflation. They cost about the same...

Indeed, that was my point, probably not very well made.

 

[nickfrog]

I have the YT Decoy elite ordered but the assembly/ dispatch time keeps going back (now mid October from mid August).

With the decoy having the older Shimano motor, I can't help but think about cancelling my order and getting a Commy with the newer motor..... Hmmm

Or wait for the new YT

 

[shenchman]

propain ekano site with pricing is up fyi
forum thread at Propain Ekano - EMTB Forums

EKANO 2 AL | E-Mountainbike | E-Enduro | PROPAIN Bicycles North America

THE absolute fun machine, no matter in which direction. Full force with Shimano EP801, 85 Nm and 600 W peak power.

www.propain-bikes.com

27.5, mullet or 29er options
165mm rear travel, 170 front travel
**absolute dealbreaker for me would be 504Wh battery only, no 630Wh option

i added the 29er only to Geometry Geeks which is great to compare geometry between several bikes.
e.g. this url compares 2021 Trek Rail, 2021 Levo Expert, 2021 Propain 29er, 2021 Meta Power 29 in recommended sizes for 185cm height:

Geometry Geeks

The world's biggest open geometry database. Find bikes by name or numbers. Easily compare bike geometry side-by-side.

geometrygeeks.bike

in general metapower 29 has longer wheelbase, slacker HTA, much steeper STA, lower stack, higher BB height than Levo & Trek.
can't wait to ride the metapower & feel how the steep STA climbs/pedals, & how the seat position feels relative to the bars/reach.

the metapower's high BB & 160mm cranks are a selling point for me too, coming off a Nomad 3 27.5 which has a low BB & 175mm cranks, you basically have to skip/ratchet pedal through anything chunky & really mind your pedals on landings/descents.

 

[Bogdan_CH]

If the 630w battery is a deal breaker and if you don't want the supper aggressive, there is a new Centurion bike out there with coil and they look sick with the new motor.

 

[nickfrog]

I wonder if the Commy hasn't gone too far, what with 63 deg HA.

 

[Bogdan_CH]

I wonder if the Commy hasn't gone too far, what with 63 deg HA.

Norco Range is at 63.5 and nobody complained.

 

[magnil]

Damn, the Propain Ekano with possibility to choose components would be really nice if it only had 630 kWh battery.

 

[Bogdan_CH]

Damn, the Propain Ekano with possibility to choose components would be really nice if it only had 630 kWh battery.

You ride with people that do very long tracks? Or go on a lot of elevation gain? I've been using a while a Jam2 with 378w battery and while it's not the greatest on long trips but still managed 1200 meters of elevations or on decent climbing at least 50 km's out of the standard battery. People always want the biggest, but to they really need it?

 

[magnil]

You ride with people that do very long tracks? Or go on a lot of elevation gain? I've been using a while a Jam2 with 378w battery and while it's not the greatest on long trips but still managed 1200 meters of elevations or on decent climbing at least 50 km's out of the standard battery. People always want the biggest, but to they really need it?

Yes. Levo with 504 kWh now and would like more.

 

[gbarfoot]

New to ebikes coming from Moto. Not sure on the specs and $ difference. I'm in the US so privces seem ok. With this being my first bite ebike purchase what spec 29r would you go for based on components.....mostly what I see is the ability to adjust the fork and shock with comp instead of only spring rate and rebound. In CO so Commencal is 15-20 min away and that is greatly influencing my brand decision.

 

[rb.]

New to ebikes coming from Moto. Not sure on the specs and $ difference. I'm in the US so privces seem ok. With this being my first bite ebike purchase what spec 29r would you go for based on components.....mostly what I see is the ability to adjust the fork and shock with comp instead of only spring rate and rebound. In CO so Commencal is 15-20 min away and that is greatly influencing my brand decision.

The Essential is lower end components but all decent. Nothing I would say you need to replace right away. If you love it, you can upgrade suspension and other parts down the road.

The Team is mostly all top of the line SRAM stuff. At least brakes and suspension are, which is the important part for me. This is most likely the model I would buy if doing so.

The Signature is top of the line fox with XT shimano. Only thing that really stands out as better over the Team is the dropper post. The suspension/brakes/drivetrain are all personal preference of what brand and ride qualities you want.

 

[rb.]

You ride with people that do very long tracks? Or go on a lot of elevation gain? I've been using a while a Jam2 with 378w battery and while it's not the greatest on long trips but still managed 1200 meters of elevations or on decent climbing at least 50 km's out of the standard battery. People always want the biggest, but to they really need it?

I do. Nearly every weekend I go on a ride 25+ miles (40km) and 5k’+ (1525m) elevation gain and have to use eco mode the majority of the time; whereas with a slightly bigger battery I think I could do a good portion of that in trail mode.

Not sure how you are getting so much out of a 378wh battery, but that's impressive.

 

[nickfrog]

Norco Range is at 63.5 and nobody complained.

Or didn't buy it because that's perhaps going a bit too far?

 

[R120]

I am disappointed there isn't a shorter travel bike available, the original 29'r Meta Power was a great bike.