Levo Gen 3 Best coil shock - Poll

[Dave_B]

I watched a video from Ohlins about coil setup and they were guiding you to use a max of two full turns to get desired sag, any more, change the spring. I used this method on my Rail and it worked great.

 

[pontoon]

I watched a video from Ohlins about coil setup and they were guiding you to use a max of two full turns to get desired sag, any more, change the spring. I used this method on my Rail and it worked great.

I’m not saying more preload is good. But I would personally not feel comfortable disregarding the rockshox minimum of two rotations of preload. Now if we apply the Ohlins rule of max two, we’ve combined to create a rule called “don’t adjust preload” which I find makes no sense. A little preload to put the bike in balance and get the sag makes sense to me. Your bike won’t ride like absolute garbage with a touch extra preload, especially if that means the spring with preload is already a softer one than it would be otherwise. Such soft spring may also be beneficial, as it may be necessary to use the full travel.

I do agree to avoid excessive preload, but not that 2 turns should be a min and max and therefore we shouldn’t adjust it.

 

[Dave_B]

And I’ve just read the Rickshox manual which says to turn preload two full turns. Measure sag, add more turns if sag not correct, do not exceed more than 5 full turns.

 

[pontoon]

And I’ve just read the Rickshox manual which says to turn preload two full turns. Measure sag, add more turns if sag not correct, do not exceed more than 5 full turns.

Yeah that’s what I’m basing my starting point of two from

 

[Dave_B]

@pontoon I’m only quoting what I have seen/ read.

The RS manual agrees with you, ie, add two turns, add no more than 5 to get desired sag.

Im hoping that either the 550 or 525 spring I get between 25 and 30% with only 2 turns.

 

[pontoon]

@pontoon I’m only quoting what I have seen/ read.

The RS manual agrees with you, ie, add two turns, add no more than 5 to get desired sag.

Im hoping that either the 550 or 525 spring I get between 25 and 30% with only 2 turns.

Good luck! Seems like a good plan. My only suggestion would be to think about all aspects of bike performance, not just the number of turns. Like full use of travel, balance, turning, etc. I use sag as a starting point but usually play with it to change the feel. On a dirt bike sometimes I’ll actually use sag/preload changes to learn about the balance and then undo those changes and achieve the same effect with another method (raise or lower the forks in the triple clamps, or on our bike maybe alter the geometry/change air spring) if I like the balance changes but not the changes on traction

 

[irie]

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But I would personally not feel comfortable disregarding the rockshox minimum of two rotations of preload.
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Why do you think that Rockshox have a minimum of at least two turns of preload?

 

[pontoon]

Why do you think that Rockshox have a minimum of at least two turns of preload?

Multiple Sram manuals have the procedure listed as step 1, add two turns, then go up to 5, no more.

Also it’s even printed on the preload collar.

 

[irie]

Multiple Sram manuals have the procedure listed as step 1, add two turns, then go up to 5, no more.

Also it’s even printed on the preload collar. View attachment 117494

The question was: "Why do you think that Rockshox have a minimum of at least two turns of preload?"

 

[pontoon]

The question was: "Why do you think that Rockshox have a minimum of at least two turns of preload?"

I’m not going to dignify this with a response. Communicate more clearly if you want specific info.

This thread is getting a little too rude for me. Good luck with your suspension folks

 

[Suns_PSD]

I'd only buy the Avalanche Racing Bomber and very well might for my Relay.

 

[Heckler Sb130]

I don’t like faffing with rear shocks and want a fit and forget coil.

Avalanche Suspension. They will custom build your coil to your bike, riding weight, riding style and terrain. Pricing is competitive with buying a Fox or RockShox Coil of the shelf with WAAAAAAAY better performance! It's legit and won't be out the $$$$ that eStoria will cost you.

You can find them on Facebook or Avalanche Suspension

 

[Alexbn921]

Most compitant tuners don't care about sag.

When to Ignore Sag

It’s fairly well understood that setting up your sag appropriately is the first and most important step towards suspension performing as you want it to. Sag tells you how stiff your spring is, proportional to the load (ie your weight) it has to bear. In this regard, it's one of the best tools...

www.vorsprungsuspension.com

Suspension Setup | Shockcraft

www.shockcraft.co.nz

 

[Alexbn921]

Avalanche Suspension. They will custom build your coil to your bike, riding weight, riding style and terrain. Pricing is competitive with buying a Fox or RockShox Coil of the shelf with WAAAAAAAY better performance! It's legit and won't be out the $$$$ that eStoria will cost you.

You can find them on Facebook or Avalanche Suspension

This.
I have an avalanche Woodie shock and hybrid coil damper for my boxxer. It's the best suspension I've ever ridden.

 

[kombos]

Good luck! Seems like a good plan. My only suggestion would be to think about all aspects of bike performance, not just the number of turns. Like full use of travel, balance, turning, etc. I use sag as a starting point but usually play with it to change the feel. On a dirt bike sometimes I’ll actually use sag/preload changes to learn about the balance and then undo those changes and achieve the same effect with another method (raise or lower the forks in the triple clamps, or on our bike maybe alter the geometry/change air spring) if I like the balance changes but not the changes on traction

Curious if the same shock behavior from a dirt bike plays the same on an MTB? On a dirt bike you’re already into the shock travel with just the sprung weight of the bike, and that sag goes up with the rider on it. On an MTB the shock is near topped out as it sits and sag comes into play when the rider sits on it.

 

[kombos]

Why do you think that Rockshox have a minimum of at least two turns of preload?

Could this be if they are expecting the spring to settle in a bit and/or trying the get enough tension on the threaded collar so it doesn’t want to move under use? (RS has no collar retention?)

 

[Chicane]

@pontoon I’m only quoting what I have seen/ read.

The RS manual agrees with you, ie, add two turns, add no more than 5 to get desired sag.

Im hoping that either the 550 or 525 spring I get between 25 and 30% with only 2 turns.

I entered a serial number for this shock in the Rock Shox Trailhead App for a 190lb rider at 30% sag, Ebike and it recommends a 600lb spring for the starting point. 28% sag spring increases to a 650lb spring.
Download the app and enter this serial # and click on the tuning tab to see what I’m looking at. 44T26222483

 

[Shjay]

Avalanche Suspension. They will custom build your coil to your bike, riding weight, riding style and terrain. Pricing is competitive with buying a Fox or RockShox Coil of the shelf with WAAAAAAAY better performance! It's legit and won't be out the $$$$ that eStoria will cost you.

You can find them on Facebook or Avalanche Suspension

The EXT is also custom tuned to your weight, riding style, bike kinematics etc same as Ohlins can be

 

[irie]

I’m not going to dignify this with a response. Communicate more clearly if you want specific info.

This thread is getting a little too rude for me. Good luck with your suspension folks

I'm sorry that you find asking why is offensive, apologies.

 

[Dave_B]

This is what Trailhead recommends for me.

One thing missing from this app is the type of linkage.

 

[Chicane]

This is what Trailhead recommends for me.

One thing missing from this app is the type of linkage.

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True. Not that they want anyone changing the linkage. 550 is where I would start.

 

[RickS]

This is what Trailhead recommends for me.

One thing missing from this app is the type of linkage.

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For my gen 3 Levo I had the ext, that was worked out by MoJo @ 600 and 625 lbs.
Im the same riding weight and settled on a 575lbs (they swaped the 625 for 575) , the shock was here so you can see the spring rating.

https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/2021-ext-storia-v3-%C2%A3600-wrexham.32963/.

625lbs personally I felt was too harsh.

 

[kombos]

Yes….It seems that calculator does not take into account the leverage ratio of the rear suspension as you don’t enter bike type or shock stroke.

 

[Henrik]

This is what Trailhead recommends for me.

One thing missing from this app is the type of linkage.

View attachment 117504

Trust me as I already said. Had the RS Coil in: SC Nomad, Raaw Madonna, Commencal Meta Power 650, Nukeproof Megawatt, Kenevo Sl and Levo Gen3.
Start with 550 with your weight.

 

[Dave_B]

I am Starting with 550

 

[Mtb247]

The question was: "Why do you think that Rockshox have a minimum of at least two turns of preload?"

rattling/noise.

 

[Chicane]

rattling/noise.

1 turn max will take care of that.

 

[Dave_B]

Shock arrived today. Tftuned fitted a 600 spring which only gives me about 22% sag. Have ordered a 500 and 550 which will hopefully arrive on Saturday in time for a ride on Sunday.

 

[Shjay]

Shock arrived today. Tftuned fitted a 600 spring which only gives me about 22% sag. Have ordered a 500 and 550 which will hopefully arrive on Saturday in time for a ride on Sunday.

What’s your weight TF usually add weight of motor & battery to your weight to calculate spring, have you tired it with the 600 spring?

 

[Dave_B]

I’m 86kg.
Yes I tried it. Fitted it then tested sag. The 600 is way too stiff, I could tell as soon as I sat on the bike.