I like the decision to differentiate this way as well, although I don't think I'd go so far as to call building something more flexible "lame" - just a different goal. Fortunately there are plenty of options for folks who need 800Wh on the regular.In this podcast they explain the thought process was why ride around with 800 all the time, you want to do an epic all day ride use the range extender. I agree with them 600 is perfect and I’m glad it doesn’t had 800. Building a bike that can do it all like a Levo, Rail or Amflow is lame and wasn’t their goal.
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2026 Santa Cruz Bullit
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And Fox Float X2, slightly different linkage setup, plusher suspension, slightly slacker HTA, etc. But visually very similar, yes.
LautSprecher
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MX Wheelsetup?
shadowfacts
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I love my santa cruz bullit. It plows downhill like DH bike. It's also pretty bombproof. I have hucked it off drops that you wouldn't normally see an ebike on, and it hasn't broken yet.
If the rumors are true, and they are moving to a bosch system with a non-removable battery, that is a huge miss.
I use two 600wh batteries pretty much every time I ride. If I can't swap out the 600wh pack for a fresh battery, I won't be looking at the new bullit when it's time to pick a new ebike. :/
If the rumors are true, and they are moving to a bosch system with a non-removable battery, that is a huge miss.
I use two 600wh batteries pretty much every time I ride. If I can't swap out the 600wh pack for a fresh battery, I won't be looking at the new bullit when it's time to pick a new ebike. :/
Even if the new battery tech makes it more efficient and you can add a range extender for less total wh, but similar range?
It's definitely a huge flop for a lot of buyers to limit your full power eMTB to 600wh.
I'm sure the bike will ride amazing, but 800wh should be an option like every other enduro eMTB out there.
PDXRooster
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In agreement with this!!!Exactly. Go buy one of those.
Jor4s
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65mm stoke.
Jor4s
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I’ve just swapped the radials as they are terrible to DH casing conti’s (Argotal & Kryptotal) and with pedals is bang on 23kg or for our friends across the pond, 50.706lbs.
Jor4s
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No but I’ll get one tomorrow for you if you like.
Nah 600 is perfect, I’m glad they didn’t cater to the small percentage of people that only exist on the internet who use more than 600 on the daily. For those that need more go buy an ugly bike.
shadowfacts
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The range extender is 250wh, so that is 850wh total I could potentially use for a ride. For the rides I do on the weekends, this is not enough capacity. I also prefer not to have 850wh of battery on board, it's too heavy and you lose the ability to carry a water bottle.
I think Santa Cruz got it exactly right with the gen 1 bullit, with quickly swappable 630wh battery, so I'm disappointed to see them moving to a design that I have no interest in.
Crestline is doing it right. Multiple battery size options, and easily swappable batteries. Santa cruz is going backwards.
We all have different needs. I don't have big mountains, nor can I ever ride for more than 3 hours. It sounds like Santa Cruz was able to make a good calculation on what most of their customers needed.
I too like multiple battery size options, at least in the larger sizes. I'd order the 600 watt for sure and a RE for long days.
The weight difference is only 2#s between the battery packs; there is also a cost consideration but also where that 2#s is located. E-bikes can already start to feel very clumsy and adding 2#s up high and forward is notable. But also, I just don't need 800 watts for where I live and ride so why would I carry around, 2#s extra every day when I only need that extra range, maybe 1-2x per year.
I wonder if Crestline is going to dive into the DJI motor for their next batch as Troyden seems to be able to pivot quickly?
I too like multiple battery size options, at least in the larger sizes. I'd order the 600 watt for sure and a RE for long days.
The weight difference is only 2#s between the battery packs; there is also a cost consideration but also where that 2#s is located. E-bikes can already start to feel very clumsy and adding 2#s up high and forward is notable. But also, I just don't need 800 watts for where I live and ride so why would I carry around, 2#s extra every day when I only need that extra range, maybe 1-2x per year.
I wonder if Crestline is going to dive into the DJI motor for their next batch as Troyden seems to be able to pivot quickly?
Cool to see this one.
The issue is that when you overstroke the shock (same overall length shock) than add a taller fork it alters all other dimensions including: shorter reach, taller stack, higher BB, slacker STA & HTA. Also, if you continue to run 30% sag on the longer stroke shock, you can be operating in a different spot in the leverage curve effecting AS, etc.
Aside from the dropper insertion.
I love what Crestline is doing, except for that. I'll use that extra 30mm of drop way more than I'll use the interchangeable battery.
TheMirrorVision
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Agree with you here. The biggest day I've done so far was ~32.2 miles/51.8km with almost 6,800 ft/2,072m of climbing on a Trek Rail with 750Wh battery and I had ~13% battery left as a ~250lb rider. The Bosch 750Wh battery is actually only 723.6Wh (36V * 20.1 Ah) so the new 600Wh being ~17% lower capacity should cover 99% of my riding, and a PowerMore range extender should help with the other 1%.Aside from the dropper insertion.
Blownoutrides
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Tell us you’re small without telling us you’re small.
Blownoutrides
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6’4 x 240lbs. My Bosch 4th gen 750 only gets about 5,000’ of steep vert before it’s drained which is just under 2hrs of riding. I sure AF don’t need less. If the new bullit is actually 600 Crestline has out-Santa Cruzed Santa Cruz two times in a row.
Blownoutrides
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Highly doubt this. They wouldn’t have a full powered ebike in their lineup. That would be a dumb move.
My bet would be that 600 is standard but they’ve sized the downtube for an optional 800 (like Crestline).
Troyden is a big bloke and makes bikes that can work for folks his size but also other folks as well. It is interesting to see a one man band out design an established brand in their first effort.
Nah just old, few hours on the bike is all I need.
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