Vivid worth the swap?Rider weight without gear is about 75 kg. Bike as built up (DH tires, Vivid shock, but otherwise light components) is ~44 lbs / 20 kg.
Vivid worth the swap?Rider weight without gear is about 75 kg. Bike as built up (DH tires, Vivid shock, but otherwise light components) is ~44 lbs / 20 kg.
I'm a pretty big fan of it. It's a solid midpoint between a coil and an air shock. The initial sensitivity/grip is very good, much more than the stock SDU, but has very tuneable bottom out support between bands and HBO. It's 200g more than the SDU, but it's not noticeably reducing range for me.Vivid worth the swap?
Hey Andeh,I'm a pretty big fan of it. It's a solid midpoint between a coil and an air shock. The initial sensitivity/grip is very good, much more than the stock SDU, but has very tuneable bottom out support between bands and HBO. It's 200g more than the SDU, but it's not noticeably reducing range for me.
C37 tune, that's what SC specs for the Nomad/Megatower/Bullit. I had one on my Nomad already (with that tune) and got along with it right away.Hey Andeh,
What tune did you go with on the vivid ?
I'm looking to replace the stock fox dps.
amazing ! thank you for the info. these are perfect number for when I ride with my analog buddies.. cheers from CanadaA few rides on mine from the past week. I'm ~170lbs with ~220W FTP on an indoor trainer. According to the Fazua data my "all day Zone 2 power" in the real world MTB situation is somewhere around 160W.
- 19 mi / 3600 ft / 88% used / Rocket
- 24 mi / 4150 ft / 99% used / Rocket + some in a custom, boosted River profile. I think forced-Eco hits at 5%
- 18.7 mi / 4230 ft / 51% used / Eco (a custom acoustic-group profile)
- 9 mi / 2750 ft / 55% used / Rocket with 300 to 400 ft hike-a-bike
For those first two rides ^ I rode with a buddy on the same bike who is about my weight but significantly more fit. I think he finished the first with 30% left (I had 12%) and the second with somewhere in the 20% range.
haha thank you. that's a great ride on a SL. more than what I need. time to get one. cheers!I'll represent the metric system here
I've done about 40km and 1200m vertical with a mix of all three modes. I'm 81kg without gear.
Thanks for this! I was surprised to see the stock SD select+ feels a bit harsh (quite poppy though) and doesn't give a lot of options with such a low bb already. I have another VPP bike with a much more linear SDU and that feels great in the rough.I'm a pretty big fan of it. It's a solid midpoint between a coil and an air shock. The initial sensitivity/grip is very good, much more than the stock SDU, but has very tuneable bottom out support between bands and HBO. It's 200g more than the SDU, but it's not noticeably reducing range for me.
The problem with the Select+ is that it doesn't have adjustable HSC. I ran mine for a few days and noticed it tended to get hung up. I then pulled apart the SDU that I had on my old Levo and moved the reservoir assembly over to get the adjustments (but keep the HBO & roller bearing eyelet, plus the SC spec'd damper tune assembly). I opened HSC all the way (which is what SC suggests on the models that get the Ultimate), and it felt much better.Thanks for this! I was surprised to see the stock SD select+ feels a bit harsh and doesn't give a lot of options with such a low bb already. I have another VPP bike with a much more linear SDU and that feels great in the rough.
Might start thinking about that Vivid.
Yeah I saw the reservoir upgrade is available and actually considered it. Seems a much cheaper option if it really releases the compression damping a bit (I tend to run it fully open on the other VPP bike btw).The problem with the Select+ is that it doesn't have adjustable HSC. I ran mine for a few days and noticed it tended to get hung up. I then pulled apart the SDU that I had on my old Levo and moved the reservoir assembly over to get the adjustments (but keep the HBO & roller bearing eyelet, plus the SC spec'd damper tune assembly). I opened HSC all the way (which is what SC suggests on the models that get the Ultimate), and it felt much better.
In the recent '25 releases, RS started selling that same Reservoir as an upgrade kit, for $230. RS was telling me that the Linear XL air can would help a little with small bump also (I think that's ~$90). If you've got a competent suspension service guy nearby, that could be a cheaper option than a whole new shock. I haven't tried it myself back to back with the Vivid though.
Do you know off the top of your head what the geo numbers are stock at 160/150? I'd be interesting to compare them. I def know that with out adding more travel to the rear the over forking will be more pronounced correct? The bike actually feels pretty good at the HTA it's currently at. 63 Degrees is as steep as my V10. The Nomad is 63.5/8.Every 10mm more fork travel slackens HTA & STA by about 0.4 degrees, and raises BB by 4mm. If you're going from a fork like a 36 or Lyrik to a 38/Zeb which has slightly longer A:C distance for the same travel, it will be a tad more. My guess is a 180/180 version would be around 63* HTA, 66* STA, 350 BB height. It almost certainly will require going to a 230x60/62.5/65 shock, up from the stock 210x55.
I'm definitely interested in the link also, but won't go that far. For my trails I like the poppy nature of the Lyrik 160, so likely will just bump up to 160 rear to match. Maybe I'll do 170/170... I have a Nomad also and when I ride that bike after riding my Heckler a lot, it feels super squishy.
64.0 HT, 76.9 ST, 341 BB.Do you know off the top of your head what the geo numbers are stock at 160/150? I'd be interesting to compare them. I def know that with out adding more travel to the rear the over forking will be more pronounced correct? The bike actually feels pretty good at the HTA it's currently at.
I'm in SoCal so I ride a variety of stuff. Lots of chunk and steeps but also a lot of flatter stuff in between. Really depends on the sessions but I'd rather be over biked on flatter stuff than under biked on more technical steeper trails. I get you though. I ride flats too but also ride clipless sometimes just to get more comfortable on them when I wanna use them. The good thing with SC and VPP is that it's pretty responsive and requires a 22-25% rear sag even at longer travel.64.0 HT, 76.9 ST, 341 BB.
The reason why a lot of designers run 10-20mm less rear travel in rear is because the rear travel number is axle travel, and fork travel gets reduced by a bit when you factor in HTA (I want to say fork axle travel is usually -15mm from linear travel). Actual travel balance depends a lot on rider style and trails. I ride flats, so always feel like my bikes feel better when rear travel matches front, regardless of what the numbers say. But I could see someone riding really steep, chunky trails with clips preferring to run +20mm fork to soak up the hits and letting the rear skip over rocks. The most important thing is to set it up for what rides well for the trails you actually ride, not the ones you wish you rode.
One deciding factor for me is I actually prefer how the Lyrik feels to the Zeb, but you can't run the Lyrik as 170 anymore. So I'll be taking fork feel more than travel numbers.
I'm in SoCal so I ride a variety of stuff. Lots of chunk and steeps but also a lot of flatter stuff in between. Really depends on the sessions but I'd rather be over biked on flatter stuff than under biked on more technical steeper trails. I get you though. I ride flats too but also ride clipless sometimes just to get more comfortable on them when I wanna use them. The good thing with SC and VPP is that it's pretty responsive and requires a 22-25% rear sag even at longer travel.
Yeah that's what I'm running on the SL. I run 22% of the V10. I just meant the platform feels very progressive. Not sure on the exact leverage rate but VPP always feels like it runs pretty stiff.Only the V10 requires such low sag which is actually 21-24%.
Pretty much all other trail/enduro/eMTB from Santa Cruz are 29-32% recommended sag, including Heckler SL.
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