Endevo or Lenuro I reckonThe 2021 Enlevo ?
Endevo or Lenuro I reckonThe 2021 Enlevo ?
The question is where do you ride a e-DH bike? Utah? The alps? Wiltshire?
Anywhere you like.
I will never understand this so I beg to differ.I love my kenevo and have no plans to change, but it's arguably unnecessary in most cases,
The Specialized eBikes are wonderful bikes, but I can't live with the motors that continue to fail. I ride with a large group of guys, most on Levos and some on Kenevos. Some ride the older Levo but most are on the latest and whenever I talk to somebody they tell me that they had their motor replaced. Some of the guys had 6 motor replacements. They brag about te great service from Specialized and how the motors are replaced without issues and yet the motors keep failing.
I've got nothing against the Levo. My brother's first eBike was a Turbo Levo that he sold to a friend of mine when he emigrated. He since purchased two Meridas with Shimano Motors, myself and two friends purchased Giant Trance-E's. None of us had any issues with our bikes. Also when you read the forums, you keep on seeing people praising the Levos but at the same time you read about their failures and motor replacements. Despite claims that the issues have been sorted, we see the evidence of the motors failing all the time.
So I would really like to hear if anybody who is using one of these bikes on a frequent basis has not had a motor failure and conversely why people keep on buying a bike that keeps on failing. Even when EMBN did the race on a Levo, it had to be replaced because it died.
When I meet people on the trails and they show interest in eBikes I refer them to my Giant Dealer or one of the dealers that sell Merida or Scott, but they usually respond by telling me they are going to buy a Levo. Well good for them then. If they are prepared to suffer the inconvenience of frequent breakdowns for the love of a Levo, I'm happy. Meanwhile I am just curious what makes the Levo fanboys keep on singing the praises and buying these bikes while they keep silent on the obvious issues that come with it. If my bike has a fault or breaks down, I'm honest about it. I want people to buy a product with their eyes open, knowing what to expect. Please help me understand this phenomenon.
And just to make a point. If it was reliable, I would have bought it. The motor is very silent and the bike is beautiful and it rides lovely. I did actually consider it. I decided against it for two reasons:
1. Reliability
2. Value for money
Your comments are fair. I have a guy that's had six motor replacements. Every other guy that I talk to in our group of approximately 25 guys are telling me they had their motors replaced. Even the people I meet out on my local trails tell met that. There is one guy that runs a rental fleet of Levos and he hasn't told me of any replacements, but he is also an authorized repairer and he has replaced motors for at least two of the guys I mentioned.I don't have any allegiance with Specialized (company) and don't care either way which brand bikes people buy and ride. There are a lot of fun bikes out there. I do however work in a bike store where we sell many Levo along with hire fleet of ebikes across two stores - all Levo - that take a beating.
I agree for sure spec for spec the Specialized bikes don't offer the same value for money as brands you mention, Giant and Merida. That's been the case across MTB generally for a long time, nothing new.
One interesting thing I have observed interacting with riders looking at buying an ebike is that some will demo a Levo, go away and demo other brands - in our city typically Merida and Giant - and despite knowing they are paying a premium for the Levo will come back and buy it based on the riding experience it provides. Everyone has their own take on what 'value for money' means I guess.
Regarding motor reliability, our Levo customers and rental fleet have had very few problems overall, surprisingly few IMO. There have been occasional glitches, some caused by customer behaviour/misuse, some bike company. But in the scheme of things not that many.
Personally I purposely neglected my staff Levo for over 4000km, rode through a lot of snow, ice, mud, slush, tech trail to see how the bikes would deal with abuse at the hands of customers. FWIW the motor never missed a beat. It'll be interesting to see how my new 2020 staff bike goes.
TBH your post seems a little exaggerated here and there for the purposes of trying to make a point. e.g.
'whenever I talk to somebody they tell me that they had their motor replaced'
So 100% of the people you meet riding Levo have all had motor failures? Having dealt with Levo customers first hand the last couple of years along with our own rental fleet that seems a bit of a stretch to me.
For sure there is over promise, over pricing and less than perfect tech across the board in MTB, especially eMTB. Can't think of a brand that isn't guilty of those things. It's relatively early days for ebiking, things are less than perfect, but across the brands the bikes are ready enough now to be fun.
Just don't google problems with(insert any brand e.g. Giant) ebikes hey!
Cheers,
I also wanted to mention that we have an interesting situation in South Africa. We have a fairly limited choice with Scott, Giant and Specialized the only mainstream manufactured eBikes available here. Merida only started importing this month and the only reason we had access to the previous Merida e160's was because my brother imported two for himself at a huge cost with the restrictions on transport of batteries. The 900e with DI2 is awesome.I don't have any allegiance with Specialized (company) and don't care either way which brand bikes people buy and ride. There are a lot of fun bikes out there. I do however work in a bike store where we sell many Levo along with hire fleet of ebikes across two stores - all Levo - that take a beating.
I agree for sure spec for spec the Specialized bikes don't offer the same value for money as brands you mention, Giant and Merida. That's been the case across MTB generally for a long time, nothing new.
One interesting thing I have observed interacting with riders looking at buying an ebike is that some will demo a Levo, go away and demo other brands - in our city typically Merida and Giant - and despite knowing they are paying a premium for the Levo will come back and buy it based on the riding experience it provides. Everyone has their own take on what 'value for money' means I guess.
Regarding motor reliability, our Levo customers and rental fleet have had very few problems overall, surprisingly few IMO. There have been occasional glitches, some caused by customer behaviour/misuse, some bike company. But in the scheme of things not that many.
Personally I purposely neglected my staff Levo for over 4000km, rode through a lot of snow, ice, mud, slush, tech trail to see how the bikes would deal with abuse at the hands of customers. FWIW the motor never missed a beat. It'll be interesting to see how my new 2020 staff bike goes.
TBH your post seems a little exaggerated here and there for the purposes of trying to make a point. e.g.
'whenever I talk to somebody they tell me that they had their motor replaced'
So 100% of the people you meet riding Levo have all had motor failures? Having dealt with Levo customers first hand the last couple of years along with our own rental fleet that seems a bit of a stretch to me.
For sure there is over promise, over pricing and less than perfect tech across the board in MTB, especially eMTB. Can't think of a brand that isn't guilty of those things. It's relatively early days for ebiking, things are less than perfect, but across the brands the bikes are ready enough now to be fun.
Just don't google problems with(insert any brand e.g. Giant) ebikes hey!
Cheers,
How big is the new Kenevo really? 1* equals ~10mm at 60cm. Stack is just over 600mm on all bikes. That's pretty low btw.
Seat angle is 77* on the new and 74.5* on the old. That's ~25mm. Reach for the new Kenevo in size L (S4) is 495mm, the old one was 455mm. If we consider the distance between the seat and the handlebars then the seattube angle moves the seat 25mm closer to the handlebars for the new Kenevo. So the difference in "effective reach" (with the seat rails in the same position) is just 15mm. And that's not a lot considering the old Kenevo was on the short side. With the seat in a higher position, the difference decreases.
The difference in wheelbase is pretty significant though. 1293mm for the new on in size L and 1233mm for the old one, you will notice a 60mm difference!
Old Kenevo: Bundle of fun everywhere even the tamest trails & jumps, thanks to its small and playfull nature. I don't think travel stops a bike being playful, I think it's other aspect of the geometry that count more.I will never understand this so I beg to differ.
I think the Kenevo both new or old are the perfect bikes. They can literally be ridden anywhere! Sure they wouldn’t be the best bike in all scenarios but I know for sure that you can not comfortably ride small travel bikes on proper gravity trails.
Change my mind, I dare you.
The 2021 Enlevo ?
I think the next 18-24 months are going to be really interesting. Specialized would have had the 2019 model signed off years ago.. who knows what's been cooking in their Swiss lab since then.Excited to see what 2021 models are going to look like, especially with Specialized seeming to lean into their new power system architecture. Until then.. probably going to be happy with my "trail-bike" 2019 kenevo
It's always funny to look double crown bike riding on trail. Turning radius so huge. What's the point.
It's always funny to look double crown bike riding on trail. Turning radius so huge. What's the point.
The 2021 Enlevo ?
You must ride the most boring trails in the world if you can’t see the benefit of a dual crown fork.It's always funny to look double crown bike riding on trail. Turning radius so huge. What's the point.
Pretty happy with mine. 18 months and 6800km riding through a deep creek 2-3 times a month. Just a slight bit of bearing roughness when back pedaling. Got the motor replaced under warranty in under 3 days, just for shits and giggles. Probs would of done another 6800km without issue tbh.The Specialized eBikes are wonderful bikes, but I can't live with the motors that continue to fail. I ride with a large group of guys, most on Levos and some on Kenevos. Some ride the older Levo but most are on the latest and whenever I talk to somebody they tell me that they had their motor replaced. Some of the guys had 6 motor replacements. They brag about te great service from Specialized and how the motors are replaced without issues and yet the motors keep failing.
I've got nothing against the Levo. My brother's first eBike was a Turbo Levo that he sold to a friend of mine when he emigrated. He since purchased two Meridas with Shimano Motors, myself and two friends purchased Giant Trance-E's. None of us had any issues with our bikes. Also when you read the forums, you keep on seeing people praising the Levos but at the same time you read about their failures and motor replacements. Despite claims that the issues have been sorted, we see the evidence of the motors failing all the time.
So I would really like to hear if anybody who is using one of these bikes on a frequent basis has not had a motor failure and conversely why people keep on buying a bike that keeps on failing. Even when EMBN did the race on a Levo, it had to be replaced because it died.
When I meet people on the trails and they show interest in eBikes I refer them to my Giant Dealer or one of the dealers that sell Merida or Scott, but they usually respond by telling me they are going to buy a Levo. Well good for them then. If they are prepared to suffer the inconvenience of frequent breakdowns for the love of a Levo, I'm happy. Meanwhile I am just curious what makes the Levo fanboys keep on singing the praises and buying these bikes while they keep silent on the obvious issues that come with it. If my bike has a fault or breaks down, I'm honest about it. I want people to buy a product with their eyes open, knowing what to expect. Please help me understand this phenomenon.
And just to make a point. If it was reliable, I would have bought it. The motor is very silent and the bike is beautiful and it rides lovely. I did actually consider it. I decided against it for two reasons:
1. Reliability
2. Value for money
I have a Kenevo, my wife has a Levo and i ride with two buddies with Levos. No one has had their motor replaced. The problem with making conclusions without proper statistical evidence is that it they are likely to be wrong. I believe that Levos outsell all other EMTBs by a significant margin, so failure rate might be same as everyone else but there are far more failures because there are far more bikes. Secondly, people who have bought Levos are probably quite serious and maybe more likely to post about their failures. All of these reports worried me but when I asked my LBS who sell loads of Levos, they said they have had one motor failure. I’m not defending Specialized - my bike’s Walk mode did not work from the off and the handlebar switch had to be replaced. It should not have failed and should have been noticed before it was sold.The Specialized eBikes are wonderful bikes, but I can't live with the motors that continue to fail. I ride with a large group of guys, most on Levos and some on Kenevos. Some ride the older Levo but most are on the latest and whenever I talk to somebody they tell me that they had their motor replaced. Some of the guys had 6 motor replacements. They brag about te great service from Specialized and how the motors are replaced without issues and yet the motors keep failing.
I've got nothing against the Levo. My brother's first eBike was a Turbo Levo that he sold to a friend of mine when he emigrated. He since purchased two Meridas with Shimano Motors, myself and two friends purchased Giant Trance-E's. None of us had any issues with our bikes. Also when you read the forums, you keep on seeing people praising the Levos but at the same time you read about their failures and motor replacements. Despite claims that the issues have been sorted, we see the evidence of the motors failing all the time.
So I would really like to hear if anybody who is using one of these bikes on a frequent basis has not had a motor failure and conversely why people keep on buying a bike that keeps on failing. Even when EMBN did the race on a Levo, it had to be replaced because it died.
When I meet people on the trails and they show interest in eBikes I refer them to my Giant Dealer or one of the dealers that sell Merida or Scott, but they usually respond by telling me they are going to buy a Levo. Well good for them then. If they are prepared to suffer the inconvenience of frequent breakdowns for the love of a Levo, I'm happy. Meanwhile I am just curious what makes the Levo fanboys keep on singing the praises and buying these bikes while they keep silent on the obvious issues that come with it. If my bike has a fault or breaks down, I'm honest about it. I want people to buy a product with their eyes open, knowing what to expect. Please help me understand this phenomenon.
And just to make a point. If it was reliable, I would have bought it. The motor is very silent and the bike is beautiful and it rides lovely. I did actually consider it. I decided against it for two reasons:
1. Reliability
2. Value for money
Your comments are fair. I have a guy that's had six motor replacements. Every other guy that I talk to in our group of approximately 25 guys are telling me they had their motors replaced. Even the people I meet out on my local trails tell met that. There is one guy that runs a rental fleet of Levos and he hasn't told me of any replacements, but he is also an authorized repairer and he has replaced motors for at least two of the guys I mentioned.
I remain a sceptic until proven wrong. Let's just say, I'm not convinced. When EMBN then does a race with a Levo and the motor fails, they don't have to say anything. I believe it is really a fantastic bike and I love how it rides and feel. It is light and more playful than my Giant for instance. The Merida is probably the most playful and I'd like to see the new carbon version.
I have seen everything fail. I have owned bikes with Brose, Shimano and Bosch.The Specialized eBikes are wonderful bikes, but I can't live with the motors that continue to fail. I ride with a large group of guys, most on Levos and some on Kenevos. Some ride the older Levo but most are on the latest and whenever I talk to somebody they tell me that they had their motor replaced. Some of the guys had 6 motor replacements. They brag about te great service from Specialized and how the motors are replaced without issues and yet the motors keep failing.
I've got nothing against the Levo. My brother's first eBike was a Turbo Levo that he sold to a friend of mine when he emigrated. He since purchased two Meridas with Shimano Motors, myself and two friends purchased Giant Trance-E's. None of us had any issues with our bikes. Also when you read the forums, you keep on seeing people praising the Levos but at the same time you read about their failures and motor replacements. Despite claims that the issues have been sorted, we see the evidence of the motors failing all the time.
So I would really like to hear if anybody who is using one of these bikes on a frequent basis has not had a motor failure and conversely why people keep on buying a bike that keeps on failing. Even when EMBN did the race on a Levo, it had to be replaced because it died.
When I meet people on the trails and they show interest in eBikes I refer them to my Giant Dealer or one of the dealers that sell Merida or Scott, but they usually respond by telling me they are going to buy a Levo. Well good for them then. If they are prepared to suffer the inconvenience of frequent breakdowns for the love of a Levo, I'm happy. Meanwhile I am just curious what makes the Levo fanboys keep on singing the praises and buying these bikes while they keep silent on the obvious issues that come with it. If my bike has a fault or breaks down, I'm honest about it. I want people to buy a product with their eyes open, knowing what to expect. Please help me understand this phenomenon.
And just to make a point. If it was reliable, I would have bought it. The motor is very silent and the bike is beautiful and it rides lovely. I did actually consider it. I decided against it for two reasons:
1. Reliability
2. Value for money
What made me say that was the fact that they are not even in the same category.What makes you say that? The Decoy with a 170 or 180 mm fork is a very capable machine. As far as downhill capability concerns, 27.5 front wheels are a relict from the past. There is a reason why all DH WC riders are on 29er or mullet bikes.
I hope soWonder if they are making space for a 170 / 160 more enduro based ebike?
What category would you have each of them in?What made me say that was the fact that they are not even in the same category.
I cant see that much difference in spec apart from boxxers, battery & one group higher derailleur.
I have the Decoy pro. Great components and bike.Same price as the comp. I ordered the CF Pro
I have the Decoy pro. Great components and bike.
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