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Fuck me, they really are hopeless sometimes. It's probably a fat bike or something, don't get too excited just yet!

Live chat is probably your best bet to get some info from them

Will PM you address and phone number

Alright chaps, 3 of us on E-sommets in Worthing, regular Thursday night rides and then pub and the odd weekend locally, sometimes Whiteways and Surrey etc. More the merrier if anyone wants to meet up

On the one hand meh but on the other that's a good one!

Jog on peanut, you'd only try and cop a feel and I'm out of your league.

Christ. I'm not sure why you care enough to comment on me caring TBH but as, after as much of a charm offensive as you could manage, passive-aggressive expert on everything Gary is back in the house so I really can't be bothered to argue, not even with the ultimate forum try-hard.

Lllĺ How much do you think taking a few half decent photos and sticking them on the websites is going to add to the cost of each bike in the digital age? Yes they can sell them as fast as they can make them at the moment but it doesn't do their brand image any favours to be selling bikes that...

Yeah but the blue/jade would be a lot harder to cover over! Didn't dislike either colour, just not together Get some photos up when it arrives, can't believe neither CRC or Vitus have got more photos sorted. Piss poor really

Just noticed I put this post on the wrong thread, doh. Done a Gary (oh, the shame) and got rid of all the red. Think I will get some colour matched fork and shock graphics but I could go for neon pink....

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It's a fair cop guv, it does appear to be an old wive's tale. As you were. I still think the specific bike cleaners are pointless for Mtbs though. PS - @Gary - when are you going to give Rob his forum back?

Done a Gary (oh, the shame) and got rid of all the red. Think I will get some colour matched fork and shock graphics but I could go for neon pink....

It does look very old school and dated, not what I'd expect from Orbea

I doubt you'll be amazed or disappointed!

Fair enough, I don't doubt it. However you have the two extremes of the bike specific cleaners, which as you say in your review don't do anything amazing and are expensive, or cheap as chips washing up liquid which has the potential to do damage. For me car shampoo is the happy middle ground...

Salt is corrosive and will damage metals, ruin your disc brakes etc. How significant it is in washing up liquid I don't know but rather not find out. It might be irrelevant but as I said I'm happy to use car shampoo and not risk it

Maybe but I'd rather not put it on there in the first place and risk missing any. Car shampoo without wax is cheap enough

I reckon all these bike cleaners are snake oil TBH, there's no substitute for a brush/ cloth. That said I wouldn't use washing up liquid as it contains salt, or so I've read. I just buy a 5l container of car shampoo from Halfords for under a tenner, lasts me a year or so used for the cars as...

Yep that is all true, the Trek also has the offset seat tube design so for us lanky fellas it effectively becomes even slacker the higher your saddle is. I do like the steeper SA on the Vitus (75 from memory) so I'm sure the 76 on your bike works really well. R120 makes a good point on weight...