why is there no Santa Cruz section to this forum?

[luna87824]

It looks like the 2021 Heckler still has 504 WH battery and no 29er option........

12 HECKLER Frame Carbon CC 27.5 150mm Travel VPP™ Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Select Fork RockShox Yari RC, 160mm, 27.5" R. Derailleur SRAM NX Eagle, 12spd Shifters SRAM NX Eagle Single Click, 12spd Cassette SRAM PG1210, 12spd, 11-50t Chain SRAM NX Eagle, 12spd Chainguide E13 E-Spec+ AL Headset Cane Creek 10 IS Integrated Rear Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Hub SRAM MTH 716, 15x110, Torque Cap, 32h Rims WTB ST i30 TCS 2.0 27.5" Spokes Sapim Race Rear Hub SRAM MTH 746, 12x148, 32h Rotors Avid Centerline 200mm Brakes SRAM Guide RE Crankset Shimano M8000 Crank Arms, 165mm Handlebar e13 TRS Base Stem e.13 Base Saddle WTB Silverado Race Seatpost SDG Tellis Grips/Bar Tape Santa Cruz Palmdale Battery Shimano 504Wh Integrated Drive Unit Shimano Drive Unit DU-E7000 Display Shimano Display Unit SC-E7000



Frame Carbon CC 27.5 150mm Travel VPP™ Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Select+ Fork FOX 36 Float Performance, 160mm, 27.5" R. Derailleur SRAM GX Eagle, 12spd Shifters SRAM GX Eagle Single Click, 12spd Cassette SRAM XG1275 Eagle, 12spd, 10-50t Chain SRAM GX Eagle, 12spd Chainguide E13 E-Spec+ AL Headset Cane Creek 40 IS Integrated Rear Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Hub DT Swiss 370, 15x110, 32h Rims RaceFace ARC HD 30 27.5" Spokes Sapim Race Rear Hub DT Swiss 370, 12x148, XD, 32h Rotors Avid Centerline 200mm Brakes SRAM Code R Crankset Shimano EM600 Crank Arms, 165mm Handlebar Santa Cruz Bicycles Carbon Di2 Riser Stem Burgtec Enduro MK3 Saddle WTB Silverado Pro Seatpost SDG Tellis Grips/Bar Tape Santa Cruz Palmdale Battery Shimano 504Wh Integrated Drive Unit Shimano Drive Unit DU-EP800 Display Shimano Display Unit SC-E7000



Frame Carbon CC 27.5 150mm Travel VPP™ Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Select+ Fork FOX 36 Float Performance Elite, 160mm, 27.5" R. Derailleur Shimano XT M8100, 12spd Shifters Shimano XT M8100, 12spd Cassette Shimano XT M8100, 12spd, 10-51t Chain Shimano XT, 12spd Chainguide E13 E-Spec+ AL Headset Cane Creek 40 IS Integrated Rear Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Hub DT Swiss 350, 15x110, Centerlock, 32h Rims RaceFace ARC HD 30 27.5" Spokes Sapim Race Rear Hub DT 350, 12x148, MicroSpline, 32h Rotors Shimano XT, Ice Tech, Centerlock, 203mm Brakes Shimano XT 8120 Crankset Shimano XT M8150 Crank Arms, 165mm Handlebar Santa Cruz Bicycles Carbon Di2 Riser Stem Burgtec Enduro MK3 Saddle WTB Silverado Team Seatpost Fox Transfer Performance Elite Grips/Bar Tape Santa Cruz Palmdale Battery Shimano 504Wh Integrated Drive Unit Shimano Drive Unit DU-EP800 Display Shimano Display Unit SC-EM800



Frame Carbon CC 27.5 150mm Travel VPP™ Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Select Ultimate Fork FOX 36 Float Factory, 160mm, 27.5" R. Derailleur SRAM X01 Eagle, 12spd Shifters SRAM X01 Eagle Single Click, 12spd Cassette SRAM XG1295 Eagle, 12spd, 10-52t Chain SRAM X01 Eagle, 12spd Chainguide E13 E-Spec+ AL Headset Cane Creek 40 IS Integrated Rear Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Hub DT Swiss 350, 15x110, 28h Rims Reserve 30 27.5" Carbon Spokes Sapim D-Light Rear Hub DT Swiss 350, 12x148, XD, 32h Rotors Avid Centerline 200mm Brakes SRAM Code RSC Crankset Shimano EM900 HollowTech Crank Arms, 165mm Handlebar Santa Cruz Bicycles Carbon Di2 Riser Stem Burgtec Enduro MK3 Saddle WTB Silverado Team Seatpost Fox Transfer Factory Grips/Bar Tape Santa Cruz Palmdale Battery Shimano 504Wh Integrated Drive Unit Shimano Drive Unit DU-EP800 Display Shimano Display Unit SC-EM800 H

 

[luna87824]

41.5 with 2.8s.....

 

[R120]

But thats not a Santa Cruz !

 

[Gary]

TBF Rob there are only really 2 types of Santa cruz owners.
Santa cruz fanboys
And Santa cruz supported riders.
Santa cruz don't really need to pay for reviews to sell bikes. The presence of their supported riders created their market/image via race results/coverage (SYNDICATE etc. ) and social media (Cut media, Danny Mac, EWS, 50to01 etc.)

 

[Gary]

But thats not a Santa Cruz !

Lovely Egravel bike all the same though. ?

 

[damo]

TBF Rob there are only really 2 types of Santa cruz owners.
Santa cruz fanboys
And Santa cruz supported riders.
Santa cruz don't really need to pay for reviews to sell bikes. The presence of their supported riders created their market/image via race results/coverage (SYNDICATE etc. ) and social media (Cut media, Danny Mac, EWS, 50to01 etc.)

Surely anyone who buys a bike is a fan of that bike or bike company. Who buys a bike they don't like? In the first three lines of your text, "Santa Cruz" could be substituted by any bike brand name. Should buyers avoid companies with good/clever/well funded marketting campaigns? Perhaps the advertising industry have been doing it wrong all this time..

Buy the bike that works for you. Haters gonna hate.

 

[AZRickD]

If you like the Santa Cruz Bronson, chances are you’ll like the SC “eBronson” Heckler.

If you don’t like the Bronson, look elsewhere.

I had heard about the rumored SC eBike many months ago. But my experiences with earlier versions of SC were middle of the road. I didn’t like the rear suspension. It had been years since I bought anything but a Specialized, but strangely I didn’t warm up to the Turbo Levo. I liked the SL, tho.

Personally, I was leaning toward ebike or analog versions of Ibis, Pivot or Norco or Rocky Mountain.

Then I hopped on a new Bronson with the new rear shock configuration and it was a different bike. Much better pedal platform. And I like how it handled and hammered over chunk.

I test rode many different bikes. But I got the Heckler (at a smokin’ my-LBS-Loves-Me price).

I like it just fine. But I don’t tell inquisitive people to necessarily buy one. I ask them what they want from a bike. I have recommended YT, Norco, Spesh, Haibike, and some of the others. I have only recommended the Heckler to one person because he wanted the stuff (and shop support) that comes with it. He bought it. He likes it too.

 

[cole_inman]

Why is there no Norco section?

 

[MPJ]

Normally when there’s more than 1 bike / a lot of different threads then there’s a specific manufacturer section ?

Like Decathlon?

 

[lamerecycles]

Because the BB height is so low you hit your pedals on everything constantly? Oh that was snarky..... why is there no LaMere section?

 

[ccwilli3]

A 911 S, on the surface seems like an overpriced car where they ding you for every option you add. Not the most powerful or fast in a straight line but gets it done on the backroads. Why buy it when you can get a Mazda Miata, a Used Honda S2000 or a new Corvette all of which are better deals at far less cash outlay and allow you to go too fast around too fun corners. You don’t buy a 911 for perceived value, you buy it because of its craftsmanship, attention to details and next level features (I mean leather on the AC vents, come on!!) and you like it, can afford it and want to.

I feel that way about my Heckler. Everyone that sees it loves it, yells at me ‘Nice Santa Cruz!’ As I go by, it oozes quality at every detail and it rides so so nice on fox fork, RS shock and carbon fiber hoops (lifetime warranty btw) with butter X01 shifting. Does it have the biggest engine? No. Does it have the largest fuel tank? No. Is it the lightest FF bike? Maybe.

Is it what I wanted at any price, 100% yes.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Like Decathlon?

But if you add up the cost of their whole emtb range, it's still cheaper than anyone else's bike - so they don't count

 

[Gary]

Surely anyone who buys a bike is a fan of that bike or bike company.

Nope.

In the first three lines of your text, "Santa Cruz" could be substituted by any bike brand name.

Nope

Should buyers avoid companies with good/clever/well funded marketting campaigns?

Nope.

Buy the bike that works for you.

You're taking to someone who's "owned" Well over 250 bikes from pretty much all of the major brands over the years.
I have no allegiance to any brand. And yeah. All 10 of my current bikes work very well for their purposes for me.

Haters gonna hate.

I’m a 50yr old guy who still rides a BMX, I really couldn't GAF what other folk think.
#NotHatinJustSayin

 

[Dave_B]

It looks like the 2021 Heckler still has 504 WH battery and no 29er option........

12 HECKLER Frame Carbon CC 27.5 150mm Travel VPP™ Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Select Fork RockShox Yari RC, 160mm, 27.5" R. Derailleur SRAM NX Eagle, 12spd Shifters SRAM NX Eagle Single Click, 12spd Cassette SRAM PG1210, 12spd, 11-50t Chain SRAM NX Eagle, 12spd Chainguide E13 E-Spec+ AL Headset Cane Creek 10 IS Integrated Rear Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Hub SRAM MTH 716, 15x110, Torque Cap, 32h Rims WTB ST i30 TCS 2.0 27.5" Spokes Sapim Race Rear Hub SRAM MTH 746, 12x148, 32h Rotors Avid Centerline 200mm Brakes SRAM Guide RE Crankset Shimano M8000 Crank Arms, 165mm Handlebar e13 TRS Base Stem e.13 Base Saddle WTB Silverado Race Seatpost SDG Tellis Grips/Bar Tape Santa Cruz Palmdale Battery Shimano 504Wh Integrated Drive Unit Shimano Drive Unit DU-E7000 Display Shimano Display Unit SC-E7000



Frame Carbon CC 27.5 150mm Travel VPP™ Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Select+ Fork FOX 36 Float Performance, 160mm, 27.5" R. Derailleur SRAM GX Eagle, 12spd Shifters SRAM GX Eagle Single Click, 12spd Cassette SRAM XG1275 Eagle, 12spd, 10-50t Chain SRAM GX Eagle, 12spd Chainguide E13 E-Spec+ AL Headset Cane Creek 40 IS Integrated Rear Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Hub DT Swiss 370, 15x110, 32h Rims RaceFace ARC HD 30 27.5" Spokes Sapim Race Rear Hub DT Swiss 370, 12x148, XD, 32h Rotors Avid Centerline 200mm Brakes SRAM Code R Crankset Shimano EM600 Crank Arms, 165mm Handlebar Santa Cruz Bicycles Carbon Di2 Riser Stem Burgtec Enduro MK3 Saddle WTB Silverado Pro Seatpost SDG Tellis Grips/Bar Tape Santa Cruz Palmdale Battery Shimano 504Wh Integrated Drive Unit Shimano Drive Unit DU-EP800 Display Shimano Display Unit SC-E7000



Frame Carbon CC 27.5 150mm Travel VPP™ Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Select+ Fork FOX 36 Float Performance Elite, 160mm, 27.5" R. Derailleur Shimano XT M8100, 12spd Shifters Shimano XT M8100, 12spd Cassette Shimano XT M8100, 12spd, 10-51t Chain Shimano XT, 12spd Chainguide E13 E-Spec+ AL Headset Cane Creek 40 IS Integrated Rear Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Hub DT Swiss 350, 15x110, Centerlock, 32h Rims RaceFace ARC HD 30 27.5" Spokes Sapim Race Rear Hub DT 350, 12x148, MicroSpline, 32h Rotors Shimano XT, Ice Tech, Centerlock, 203mm Brakes Shimano XT 8120 Crankset Shimano XT M8150 Crank Arms, 165mm Handlebar Santa Cruz Bicycles Carbon Di2 Riser Stem Burgtec Enduro MK3 Saddle WTB Silverado Team Seatpost Fox Transfer Performance Elite Grips/Bar Tape Santa Cruz Palmdale Battery Shimano 504Wh Integrated Drive Unit Shimano Drive Unit DU-EP800 Display Shimano Display Unit SC-EM800



Frame Carbon CC 27.5 150mm Travel VPP™ Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Select Ultimate Fork FOX 36 Float Factory, 160mm, 27.5" R. Derailleur SRAM X01 Eagle, 12spd Shifters SRAM X01 Eagle Single Click, 12spd Cassette SRAM XG1295 Eagle, 12spd, 10-52t Chain SRAM X01 Eagle, 12spd Chainguide E13 E-Spec+ AL Headset Cane Creek 40 IS Integrated Rear Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Tire Maxxis Minion DHR II 27.5"x2.6", 3C, EXO+, TR Front Hub DT Swiss 350, 15x110, 28h Rims Reserve 30 27.5" Carbon Spokes Sapim D-Light Rear Hub DT Swiss 350, 12x148, XD, 32h Rotors Avid Centerline 200mm Brakes SRAM Code RSC Crankset Shimano EM900 HollowTech Crank Arms, 165mm Handlebar Santa Cruz Bicycles Carbon Di2 Riser Stem Burgtec Enduro MK3 Saddle WTB Silverado Team Seatpost Fox Transfer Factory Grips/Bar Tape Santa Cruz Palmdale Battery Shimano 504Wh Integrated Drive Unit Shimano Drive Unit DU-EP800 Display Shimano Display Unit SC-EM800 H

this suggests to me that the frame is identical (can't fit the longer 630 battery), but it can fit the ep8, so potentially good news for existing heckler owners?

 

[Dave_B]

this is highlights of my heckler demo earlier this year.


I now own the same bike, bought it as ex demo, but upgraded it last week to all my existing parts. it is a cracking bike to ride.
I was getting a decoy, but got fed up waiting after three weeks of them having my money and not delivering the bike that was in stock at the time of ordering.
I think it was a good thing the decoy did not get delivered, the heckler just rocks.

 

[Forever Wild]

All of my Filipino friends have them, It’s not a political or racial statement, just an observation.

@JetSedgwick I expected more from Santa Cruz if I am being honest. They had all the the time in the world to come up something truly groundbreaking since they were late to the party. It reminds me of a first gen Carbon Levo. It looks dated and it’s brand new. I will stand by my statement that the E8000 is mediocre motor. 53lbs and it’s carbon?

what is even more mind boggling to me is that Focus and Santa Cruz are owned by the same parent company, couldn’t they have pooled their resources together? The Focus bikes bury the Heckler.

Dude! I’m Filipino and I don’t know how to take that. I ride a Trek and a Specialized. Should I buy a Santa Cruz? ?

 

[MPJ]

But if you add up the cost of their whole emtb range, it's still cheaper than anyone else's bike - so they don't count

Fair point

 

[Zimmerframe]

Fair point

In fairness .. as the sites owner actually has one, we can't say he's bias in any way on what brands end up with their own sections.

But where do you draw the line ... Halfords Own ?? ... XYZ supermarket ... Penelope Cruz ?

 

[MPJ]

In fairness .. as the sites owner actually has one, we can't say he's bias in any way on what brands end up with their own sections.

But where do you draw the line ... Halfords Own ?? ... XYZ supermarket ... Penelope Cruz ?

I would like to try a Penelope Cruz (L) where can I find a demo?
Strong motor?

 

[ccwilli3]

this suggests to me that the frame is identical (can't fit the longer 630 battery), but it can fit the ep8, so potentially good news for existing heckler owners?

I recall when the Heckler came out, some reviewers commented that SC has invested in CC molds only for the Heckler which would lead me to believe the frame will largely go unchanged for some time. I can see SC updating the Heckler with EP8 without any other changes in the future.

But what do I know? I think the Heckler won't be the only e-Bike from SC for long.

 

[Dave_B]

In fairness .. as the sites owner actually has one, we can't say he's bias in any way on what brands end up with their own sections.

But where do you draw the line ... Halfords Own ?? ... XYZ supermarket ... Penelope Cruz ?

thought Rob owned a levo?

 

[Al Boneta]

Dude! I’m Filipino and I don’t know how to take that. I ride a Trek and a Specialized. Should I buy a Santa Cruz? ?

Dude, I don’t know what it is but all of my Filipino friends ride Santa Cruz

 

[Forever Wild]

Dude, I don’t know what it is but all of my Filipino friends ride Santa Cruz

Haha. Maybe their LBS has a Filipino discount on Santa Cruz bikes.

 

[KeithR]

thought Rob owned a levo?

As well.

 

[KeithR]

Because the BB height is so low you hit your pedals on everything constantly?

Doesn't seem to trouble that Macaskill fella...

 

[Al Boneta]

Haha. Maybe their LBS has a Filipino discount on Santa Cruz bikes.

Hope they do, when I was in the Philippines I had some of my best experiences traveling abroad. A most hospitable people.

 

[luna87824]

this suggests to me that the frame is identical (can't fit the longer 630 battery), but it can fit the ep8, so potentially good news for existing heckler owners?

Or just maybe its the new 504Wh battery same size as the new 630Wh battery to save money and weight. I don't think it would be that hard to mod the frame to make it fit....