Vitus E-Mythique LT Enduro EMTB - Bargain of the year

[Dado]

Hello Zimmerframe​

Seeing more and more M510 now.

What catched my eyes is the graph. I can imagine guys in Vitus had hard times to tune it with Bafang. But thumbs up for this job.

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Edit: Pman power for PAS1 and 2 is wrongly calculated in this grapf. Should be 266 and 294W - so different incline. With PASS 4 and 5 it match: 550W/3.4=161W

If somebody interested - these are Bafang FC2.0 factory defaults:
Support level: 140% 140% 140% 230% 340%
Max power: 50% 75% 100% 100% 100%
And Acceleration : 4 (out of 8) for all PASS.

So this will be the graph - looks Vitus is more power saving on PAS 1 and 2 - which will extend range.

 

[Shjay]

See they have already sold out of the top spec VRX & L & XL of VRS all the cheap ones still in stock. The VR would be my choice & upgrade.

 

[mike425]

I built a hardtail commuter bike around a bafang mid drive motor a few years ago. The motor was bombproof even at 160nm!

Bafang need to make this motor fit existing shimano EP8 Frames and sell the swap kit for the out of warranty bikes

 

[Dado]

I built a hardtail commuter bike around a bafang mid drive motor a few years ago. The motor was bombproof even at 160nm!

Bafang need to make this motor fit existing shimano EP8 Frames and sell the swap kit for the out of warranty bikes

Mate, why would bafang do same fit as Shimano? That does not make sense.

 

[jimbob]

Mate, why would bafang do same fit as Shimano? That does not make sense.

Because it opens up a massive market.

I'd certainly go for it!

 

[mike425]

Mate, why would bafang do same fit as Shimano? That does not make sense.

There are literally tens of thousands of Shimano bikes out there. Once they are out of warranty if I had a choice of something more reliable I would be buying that to replace the shimano. Why would I spend £1k on another shimano motor knowing its probably only going to last a limited time? Thats even before you factor in the potential lead times for the shimano part.

There is a company already working on this concept, but their reliability wont be proven when it comes out.....

 

[Dado]

No guys, that does not make sense and also Shimano would be against if you gonna use their mounting and would spoil their business. You can try with dyi adapter. Some people also selling it.

 

[monty1991]

@Rob Rides EMTB having rode both bikes.
Gen 2 trek rail and new Vitus. Which would you take?

I'm in 2 minds to buy a basic spec Vitus and swap all my parts from the rail then sell the rail as a frame motor/battery bundle.

 

[Mr-EPIC-3]

Mail order e bike with an off brand drive motor, what could go wrong?

Bafang started developing and manufacturing eBike motors back 2003, so they are not new to the eBike motor game.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Bafang started developing and manufacturing eBike motors back 2003, so they are not new to the eBike motor game.

I think they also make more motors, by an order of magnitude, than anyone else - so not a small operation !

In fairness, it's only in very recent history that their mid drive motors have really started to mature into what you want on an EMTB, with better torque sensors and more relevant firmwares. But the EMTB market has always been tiny compared to the overall E-bike scene.

 

[B1rdie]

To me, this bike looks more like a cheap option than a real bargain. I got curious to know if they chose to use such gross looking welding in purpose, to make the bike seem really brutal.

 

[Zimmerframe]

To me, this bike looks more like a cheap option than a real bargain. I got curious to know if they chose to use such gross looking welding in purpose, to make the bike seem really brutal.

If you read the press release they say "We developed a new welding technique to embody the masculinity of the bike, too often bikes now use welds which are machined back too far and create weak points in an attempt to make aluminium frames appear like carbon Frames. The E-Mythique welds are like huge testicles with massive veins, it's proud of itself"

I believe a lot of sections like round the motor, were welded instead of cast in order to reduce costs. With the E-mythique, they've tried to make something as capable as other main stream bikes, but for less cost. Presumably, they have spent less time smoothing and filling welds (like Orbeas) - because this is a bike for people who don't really care and just want to get on their bike and ride it rather than talk about it

(the press release isn't real .. yet ... )

It doesn't look that dissimilar to everything else, just less time spent on cosmetics .

 

[Mr-EPIC-3]

To me, this bike looks more like a cheap option than a real bargain. I got curious to know if they chose to use such gross looking welding in purpose, to make the bike seem really brutal.

The welding on all of Vitus's alu frames looks the same, but the e-Sommet and e-Mythique frames do look like they can take a beating

 

[irie]

If it's welded and you can see the welds I really don't see the problem, it's welded, right? Sell me a strong budget frame (for which I can buy a motor) which works really well with all my functional shite bolted on and I'll be happy, these are tools to do a job. Function before fashion, but if you want pretty then buy pretty.

Edit: "(for which I can buy a motor)"

 

[jimbob]

Have to say I can't see anything wrong with those welds.

As others say, I'd prefer to be able to see the welds and not have to worry about the frame cracking. As long as they're neat (not done by the apprentice on his first go, or by me for that matter), I'm happy.

 

[Tooks]

I’ve got a Vitus Sommet bike (not the E version), it’s got some lovely welds, obviously welds, but very competent welds nonetheless.

One thing though that could be better on my Vitus is the paintwork, beautifully finished but seems very thin and prone to chips (unlike me who is not so thin but also drawn to chips!) but the paintwork on my 2020 model might be different to this new e-Mythique, so not necessarily an indicator.

 

[Sgarth42]

Had this been available earlier in the year, I would probably have bought this instead of my Trek Rail 5. Bafang excelent motors and make spares available for the mechanically adept owner to self fix/service/repair. Hopefully this will makes the other manufacturers take note. Already had a replacement motor in my Rail after just 250mls and had to make a long round trip to the retailer for a warranty repair.

 

[Tooks]

Had this been available earlier in the year, I would probably have bought this instead of my Trek Rail 5. Bafang excelent motors and make spares available for the mechanically adept owner to self fix/service/repair. Hopefully this will makes the other manufacturers take note. Already had a replacement motor in my Rail after just 250mls and had to make a long round trip to the retailer for a warranty repair.

That’s got me thinking what the warranty position is with a Vitus EMTB? I’m presuming there isn’t a National dealer network, one of the reasons costs are lower I guess?

I suspect it’s swings and roundabouts, you’ll have to box it up and return it to CRC/Wiggle if there’s a problem, assuming you want a warranty repair, as opposed to driving to the supplying LBS.

It’s great that people perceive that Bafang will supply spares, batteries and motors so DIY repairs/maintenance are possible, but you wouldn’t be doing that inside warranty, or would people?

 

[Tubby G]

Agreed ... and this is the simplified version ..

I was getting to the point I was more concerned about getting a head injury trying to find answers than from riding !

It was more painful than that time I fell through the roof of the International Museum of Sharp Pointy Objects.

Looks like an exciting bike, which spec did you go for and have you got any upgrades planned already ?

 

[Zimmerframe]

Looks like an exciting bike, which spec did you go for and have you got any upgrades planned already ?

Went for the VR. Quite fancied the VRS but on the first day only bikester.fr had it listed in France and they only had the VR (Chain Reaction FR does now, but I wanted to purchase in country in case it needed to go back for any reason).

Plus, for some reason they had it with 29% off - so it was crazy not to ! Will be interesting to see how it rides !!! It's a just get on it and ride type bike so plan to do that out of the box.

The display is the DP C244 (no bluetooth). So will get a DP C245 3.0 (you need the 3.0 for Bluetooth 5.1) then I can mess with the Go+ app and things (though if it seems great out of the box, that will be fairly pointless)

Never tried the Microshift, but it has good reviews. Brakes are maybe a concern, but going in open minded - can't be any worse than Code R's. Forks .. I'm feeling confident/hopeful !!

 

[Zimmerframe]

I think Vitus could have the slogan "The Worlds Fastest Bike Company" ...

I wrote with some questions and they replied in 5 minutes - with ANSWERS !!

I tried that with Focus with a really simple question and they wrote back and said "Ask a dealer" .. Which took more words than the actual answer would have.

4 years later and I still haven't heard back from Specialized France and never did get my warranty problems sorted.

 

[Tubby G]

Went for the VR. Quite fancied the VRS but on the first day only bikester.fr had it listed in France and they only had the VR (Chain Reaction FR does now, but I wanted to purchase in country in case it needed to go back for any reason).

Plus, for some reason they had it with 29% off - so it was crazy not to ! Will be interesting to see how it rides !!! It's a just get on it and ride type bike so plan to do that out of the box.

The display is the DP C244 (no bluetooth). So will get a DP C245 3.0 (you need the 3.0 for Bluetooth 5.1) then I can mess with the Go+ app and things (though if it seems great out of the box, that will be fairly pointless)

Never tried the Microshift, but it has good reviews. Brakes are maybe a concern, but going in open minded - can't be any worse than Code R's. Forks .. I'm feeling confident/hopeful !!

The VR makes the most sense if you’re going to be changing components and building up a custom bike. I’d go for a Lyric Ultimate (in red), XT brakes, Nukeproof Horizon carbon bars, and see how I’d get on with the drivetrain, wheels, tyres etc

Exciting

Have you got a delivery date yet ?

 

[captaintomo]

Majorly tempted by one of these. It would have to be the base spec as for around £4000 you can get some amazing deals on bougie Bosch powered bikes at the moment. I was actually about to place an order for a Merida E160 700 which I found for £3600 but even with the it's amazing spec and the cracking price I just don't know if I can stomach a Shimano motor.

If the bike it's self is strong and the motor is more easily repairable than the competition I think this bike could be the way to go. I like the idea of upgrading parts as you go but the agricultural spec microshift drivetrain will be staying! It just makes sense for an ebike!

Please update us with your thoughts on the bike when you guys start receiving your new bikes!

 

[Zimmerframe]

The VR makes the most sense if you’re going to be changing components and building up a custom bike. I’d go for a Lyric Ultimate (in red), XT brakes, Nukeproof Horizon carbon bars, and see how I’d get on with the drivetrain, wheels, tyres etc

Exciting

Have you got a delivery date yet ?

No date yet, it said 6-8 days but haven't had any updates. I guess we're only on the 4th working day ...

I do like my XT brakes ... We will see !!!

 

[Zimmerframe]

If anyone's looking to get one and struggling to find stock, they're sold through :

• Chain Reaction
• Wiggle
• Probikeshop
• fahrrad.de
• Brugelmann
• Bikester

 

[CarolinaCrawler]

I was dead set on getting a YT Decoy, but after seeing this it makes me reconsider. I really like the idea of getting to build up the bike as you see fit. I also like the part availability.

We are going to a YT demo next month, that will tell the tale. If I fall in love with the Decoy then that'll settle it. If not I'll probably wind up with the E-Mythique.

 

[mustclime]

If by "off brand" you mean unknown, or unpopular, or inferior, Befang is none of those things.

If that is not what you meant, then exactly what did you mean?

Motors made in main land china, batteries made in main land China. Slave labor does not equal quality imo.

 

[irie]

Motors made in main land china, batteries made in main land China. Slave labor does not equal quality imo.

Made in China does not necessarily mean poor quality nor does it necessarily mean made by slave labour. hth.

 

[mustclime]

Made in China does not necessarily mean poor quality nor does it necessarily mean made by slave labour. hth.

Keep telling yourself that, I am old enough know better. China is a country of slaves, the government can snatch anyone anywhere and put them in jail at anytime. I was there 10 years ago working for a manufacturing company when we were getting some sub assembly’s made in China. I worked closely with several factories and saw more than enough to understand how things are done there. Things have only gotten worse since I was there.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Mail order e bike with an off brand drive motor, what could go wrong?

Motors made in main land china, batteries made in main land China. Slave labor does not equal quality imo.

I'm confused.

OK, so clearly you don't like the bike. Fine, no ones asking you to. At the same time we try to keep politics off the forum.

Meanwhile, you might not have noticed, but a huge amount of the things around you are manufactured in "main land China".

However if it carries the name of a Chinese Brand, that's bad. But if it doesn't you'll buy it ?

I hope you're as outspoken when you see anyone with an iPhone.