Fuel EXe Trek Fuel EXe Megathread!

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Seeing as the EXe is looking pretty popular, here's the megathread!

Link to "grinding noise" thread :

TQ HPR50 Grinding Noise

OK, I''ve just now figured the factors that produce the grind sound, for me. Any time, and for me every time, the pedal rate and force i apply on the crank fall below what's needed to activate the motor, the grind sound occurs. For example this will occur while riding on a level surface in a...

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[Loamranger]

What would be your ideal choice of suspension for the EXe?

 

[Moe Ped]

Great bike I love mine

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

What would be your ideal choice of suspension for the EXe?

The stock rear setup is pretty sweet to be honest, but I'd like to try a coil out back. Fox 36 Grip 2 would be a good one to try. I'm not the biggest fan of this new Lyrik to be completely honest (contrary to pretty much everyone else out there!!).

 

[Moe Ped]

Cool feature on the handle bar remote, if you press and hold the down button it disconnects the battery so when going downhill there is no drain.

Its a very well thought out bike, this is what i wanted my Levo SL to be but alas with the crap standard components and geometry it was not a keeper.

This one is looking like a keeper.

 

[towzer]

Hi

boring, practical person here who used to own a shimano engine.

any chance you can get trek to detail out of warranty support for the engine and battery. Will they be rebuildable, will there be spares, will they assist 3rd party repair shops with technical help/spares etc etc. I *think* the TQ 120s motor is non rebuildable by 3rd parties, and I don’t seem able to find any for sale so have no idea on replacement price.

also can you get trek to clarify re the TQ motor spec
Operating temperature - -5 °C to +40 °C / 23 °F to 104 °F
Storage temperature - 0 °C to +40 °C / -4 °F to 104 °F
i’d say that in a bad winter or if the bike was in an unheated shed/car that those could be exceeded in the uk,

ah hang on in the same manual, a bit further down
“Observe the permissible operating temperature (-10 °C to +40 °C / 14 °F to 104 °F) and storage temperature (-20 °C to +60 °C / -4 °F to 140 °F) during transport and storage.”

”All service, repair or maintenance work performed by a TQ authorized bicycle dealer” - do we have a list of uk TQ dealers

 

[Dave_B]

Are you going to do an Enduro build @Rob Rides EMTB ?

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Are you going to do an Enduro build @Rob Rides EMTB ?

Definitely! Some cool experiments coming with this bike

 

[Dave_B]

I like the idea of a coil shock…

 

[thewrx]

Ha thats every day since spring started here in TX 100*F+

and yes that new trek is sweet looking, probably gon a trade my brand new rise hydra for one.

Hi

boring, practical person here who used to own a shimano engine.

any chance you can get trek to detail out of warranty support for the engine and battery. Will they be rebuildable, will there be spares, will they assist 3rd party repair shops with technical help/spares etc etc. I *think* the TQ 120s motor is non rebuildable by 3rd parties, and I don’t seem able to find any for sale so have no idea on replacement price.

also can you get trek to clarify re the TQ motor spec
Operating temperature - -5 °C to +40 °C / 23 °F to 104 °F
Storage temperature - 0 °C to +40 °C / -4 °F to 104 °F
i’d say that in a bad winter or if the bike was in an unheated shed/car that those could be exceeded in the uk,

ah hang on in the same manual, a bit further down
“Observe the permissible operating temperature (-10 °C to +40 °C / 14 °F to 104 °F) and storage temperature (-20 °C to +60 °C / -4 °F to 140 °F) during transport and storage.”

”All service, repair or maintenance work performed by a TQ authorized bicycle dealer” - do we have a list of uk TQ dealers

 

[Durrti]

As a guy that does a ton of group rides, do these SL e-bikes keep up with the full fat e-bikes uphill?

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

As a guy that does a ton of group rides, do these SL e-bikes keep up with the full fat e-bikes uphill?

Are you sub 85 KG and fit? If you have a decent FTP W/kg then it’s possible, depending on the hills. For example, Surrey Hills would be ok, where there’s not a huge amount of elevation, but some 100m vertical ascents. You’ll just be pushing harder than a full fat rider for short blasts.

Anything longer, like 300m (1000ft) plus and you’re going to need to be pushing hard.

A full fat can push out 700w of electrical power, the EXe closer to 300w.

 

[irie]

Are you sub 85 KG and fit? If you have a decent FTP W/kg then it’s possible, depending on the hills. For example, Surrey Hills would be ok, where there’s not a huge amount of elevation, but some 100m vertical ascents. You’ll just be pushing harder than a full fat rider for short blasts.

Anything longer, like 300m (1000ft) plus and you’re going to need to be pushing hard.

A full fat can push out 700w of electrical power, the EXe closer to 300w.

For that reason, as said elsewhere.

I'll wait for the V2 to arrive with V1 bugs sorted and hopefully 400Wh battery and >60 Nm motor but <20kg.

 

[Loamranger]

Hi

boring, practical person here who used to own a shimano engine.

any chance you can get trek to detail out of warranty support for the engine and battery. Will they be rebuildable, will there be spares, will they assist 3rd party repair shops with technical help/spares etc etc. I *think* the TQ 120s motor is non rebuildable by 3rd parties, and I don’t seem able to find any for sale so have no idea on replacement price.

also can you get trek to clarify re the TQ motor spec
Operating temperature - -5 °C to +40 °C / 23 °F to 104 °F
Storage temperature - 0 °C to +40 °C / -4 °F to 104 °F
i’d say that in a bad winter or if the bike was in an unheated shed/car that those could be exceeded in the uk,

ah hang on in the same manual, a bit further down
“Observe the permissible operating temperature (-10 °C to +40 °C / 14 °F to 104 °F) and storage temperature (-20 °C to +60 °C / -4 °F to 140 °F) during transport and storage.”

”All service, repair or maintenance work performed by a TQ authorized bicycle dealer” - do we have a list of uk TQ dealers

The right practical questions to ask imo, would be good to get clarity. I’m going to put these points to my Trek dealer and see what they say and report back.

 

[TCFlowClyde]

Are you sub 85 KG and fit? If you have a decent FTP W/kg then it’s possible, depending on the hills. For example, Surrey Hills would be ok, where there’s not a huge amount of elevation, but some 100m vertical ascents. You’ll just be pushing harder than a full fat rider for short blasts.

Anything longer, like 300m (1000ft) plus and you’re going to need to be pushing hard.

A full fat can push out 700w of electrical power, the EXe closer to 300w.

Good reality check...gracias

 

[galaga187]

Good FTP W/kg is code for “Do you enjoy drinking beer and eating pies or Kombucha and salads”

 

[Dave_B]

As a guy that does a ton of group rides, do these SL e-bikes keep up with the full fat e-bikes uphill?

short answer is no they don’t. I’ve ridden an SL on solo rides and group rides and there is no way it will keep up with a full fat if the rider of the full fat is intent on going quickly.

ive ridden the SL in smaller groups of mates who were on full fats and we had great rides, we plodded up the climbs and smashed it down the hills.

If your sole Purpose is to keep up with full fats, buy a full fat.

I’ve gone for the EXe because I will Mostly ride on my own, but when I’m with full fats I know we are not smashing it uphill all the time, I also know from owning both full fats and SL’s that for me, the SL gives me what I need, ie, distance, fun solo rides, great handling and keeps some emphasis on fitness.

 

[Nato]

I have the grey 9.5 coming in three weeks. The suspension, bars, stem, wheels, brakes and drive train will all be going in the bin, and I’ll build it up to what I want.
The bike will have 2022 orange Fox factory 36 grip 2 160mm travel forks, Fox factory float x shock, xtr brakes, same wheels as the 9.8xt, GX AXS drive train, Raceface Turbine R 40mm stem, Deity sky wire carbon bars,Deity supracrush grips and probably a few other things I cant think of at the moment.
should look pretty good with the orange forks. It will cost a bit more than a 9.8XT but will be much better spec.

 

[Loamranger]

NATO, that’s what I’m doing but different components, not decided what yet. I wasn’t sure if it was black or dark grey until you confirmed. Even better. Keep us posted.

 

[Moe Ped]

I have the grey 9.5 coming in three weeks. The suspension, bars, stem, wheels, brakes and drive train will all be going in the bin, and I’ll build it up to what I want.
The bike will have 2022 orange Fox factory 36 grip 2 160mm travel forks, Fox factory float x shock, xtr brakes, same wheels as the 9.8xt, GX AXS drive train, Raceface Turbine R 40mm stem, Deity sky wire carbon bars,Deity supracrush grips and probably a few other things I cant think of at the moment.
should look pretty good with the orange forks. It will cost a bit more than a 9.8XT but will be much better spec.

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‘how do you do all that and keep it near the 9.8 XT price ? Out of interest what are you expecting it to cost.

 

[Nato]

‘how do you do all that and keep it near the 9.8 XT price ? Out of interest what are you expecting it to cost.

Most of the parts I’ve picked up at 15% off, Bontrager wheels are 10% off when you buy them with a new bike. It should end up costing around $14k.
I don’t really care what it costs to be honest, life is short so do what makes you happy!

 

[Nato]

NATO, that’s what I’m doing but different components, not decided what yet. I wasn’t sure if it was black or dark grey until you confirmed. Even better. Keep us posted.

Good stuff mate. Have fun with your build and post up pics when you”re done.

 

[jwrx]

As a guy that does a ton of group rides, do these SL e-bikes keep up with the full fat e-bikes uphill?

Not possible. If the majority are intent to smash every uphill. Possible if they slow it down, aka a smaller more social group. I do manual, SL and FF bike rides. A SL to a FF is like a Manual to a SL. Just not possible to keep up, even if you are extremely fit

 

[TorAtle]

60 Nm sounds okay, but is 300 Watts peak enough? Torque will be way less than 60 at high rpm, otherwise the advertised peak power would be higher. As a comparison, the Rise EP8 RS is 60 Nm / 350 Watts peak, and that peak power has deliberately been reduced by Orbea for battery saving purposes (and you can feel it). What do you guys think?

 

[thewrx]

I think, there are calibrations that can be manipulated, within mechanical limits, that will make the bike more than capable to keep up with most ebikes, and be enjoyable for solo riding. I probably wont put “all the things” on the trek and try and keep it as minimal as possible, minus a headlight and only get components that work with that theme.
I have a vado sl and that bike is easily as fast as my levo brose, but thats because its a light fucking bike.

 

[levity]

... I’ve ridden an SL
... I’ve gone for the EXe because...

@Dave_B - have you had enough seat time on the EXe to compare its power to the Levo SL?

There are times on the SL where a bit more torque would be appreciated, especially at low rpm.
I'd expect more boost from the EXe since it's listed as 50Nm vs. 35Nm for the SL, a 42% increase.
That said, peak output of the EXe is given as 300W and I've measured 284W on my SL.

It would be nice to see the power vs. rpm curves of the two bikes for comparison.

 

[Jujujuice]

Unfortunately after less than 30 days of owning the trek fuel exe 9.8xt, it has broken down with a speed sensor alert on the TQ screen after the power kept cutting off to 0w. My LBS has replaced the speed sensor but has said its still not working but then used that same speed sensor on a different fuel exe and it was working so seems like something is inherently wrong with my trek fuel exe.

Pretty frustrating experience after spending so much on a bike. LBS said they will talk to Trek to try and get them to replace the fuel exe as they aren't sure what's wrong with the bike so fingers crossed.

 

[Moe Ped]

It would be nice to see the power vs. rpm curves of the two bikes for comparison.

Rob mentioned in his review that it had more mid level support than the SL.

 

[Moe Ped]

Pretty frustrating experience after spending so much on a bike. LBS said they will talk to Trek to try and get them to replace the fuel exe as they aren't sure what's wrong with the bike so fingers crossed.

Hope they fix it quick for you, i was told if something like this happend they would likely replace the bike if it could not be fixed quickly.

I guess this is an early adopter risk for us.

 

[Dave_B]

@Dave_B - have you had enough seat time on the EXe to compare its power to the Levo SL?

There are times on the SL where a bit more torque would be appreciated, especially at low rpm.
I'd expect more boost from the EXe since it's listed as 50Nm vs. 35Nm for the SL, a 42% increase.
That said, peak output of the EXe is given as 300W and I've measured 284W on my SL.

It would be nice to see the power vs. rpm curves of the two bikes for comparison.

I don’t have the EXe yet.