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SL 1.1 motor weighs 1.95KGHow much does the motor weigh?
SL 1.1 motor weighs 1.95KGHow much does the motor weigh?
That 2.6kg 60nm motor and a hot swap battery could smoke the SL in both power and range. Keep the spares in the car or a backpack and just slide them in when you need to change.
okay, how much wight the sl without battery and extender. huw much da battery wight?
What you miss with this simplistic view is that choosing a motor is then followed by integration into the package, battery packaging/management, sensor balance and then last but certainly not least the software control. The last point determines how rideable the final bike will be.
Another consideration here, and why even companies like Santa Cruz choose go with the tried and tested e8000, is the support and services which go hand in hand with scale. Shimano and Bosch have that scale, as do Specilalized (but Brose or Mahle on their own do not).
Mind you, you seem so convinced this is all a doddle so who am I to challenge your view? You should set up a bike company, with your superior knowledge you could be competing with Specialized by this time next year.
@Fivetones with your situation you're obviously looking primarily at lighter, but possibly have some range/power concerns. Have you considered the BH CARBON ATOM LYNX 6 ? 19.4kg 720wh battery Brose Full Fat motor ?
Battery is 1.8KGMotor 1.95kg
Extender 1050g
Thought the internal battery was 2kg .. but I can't find that to confirm it .. Rob ?
And what you seem to forget is that in the next couple of years companies will do exactly what I just said. It's likely already in development.That 2.6kg 60nm motor and a hot swap battery could smoke the SL in both power and range. Keep the spares in the car or a backpack and just slide them in when you need to change.
What you miss with this simplistic view is that choosing a motor is then followed by integration into the package, battery packaging/management, sensor balance and then last but certainly not least the software control. The last point determines how rideable the final bike will be.
Another consideration here, and why even companies like Santa Cruz choose go with the tried and tested e8000, is the support and services which go hand in hand with scale. Shimano and Bosch have that scale, as do Specilalized (but Brose or Mahle on their own do not).
Mind you, you seem so convinced this is all a doddle so who am I to challenge your view? You should set up a bike company, with your superior knowledge you could be competing with Specialized by this time next year.
It's not what you see when you look down between your legs .. it's what you do with it that matters !Ah, the Multipla of the ebike world! ?
A test bench / independent verification is a good idea.And what you seem to forget is that in the next couple of years companies will do exactly what I just said. It's likely already in development.
Also I never touched on support or software that is a different subject. You are talking about total package. Which all things considered is a fair point. But not the point I was making.
Given there is no fair testing or criticism in this industry we really dont know which is the best motor or battery. I'm still wondering how the YT 540wh managed to outlast the 700wh levo in robs video. That would be setting alarm bells off for me right there. Some unbiased testing might show up some red flags when it comes to that brose motor that nobody is considering. Especially considering the premium that battery and motor combination is asking for.
How about putting together a test bench for ebikes to simulate riding and then see which motor actually performs as claimed.
My early money says the American brands claims are wide of the mark. Then the germans and then the Japanese in that order.
Good points. I think its a mix of both the software and hardware. The hardware needs to be up to the task that the software is asking of it.I actually think the software is the single most important thing, more important than the motor itself. Its the software that governs how the motor feels, and how the user interacts with it.
It doesn't really matter if one motor is a bit more powerful on paper, if the software makes it unintuitive to use. One of the reason I have stuck with the Shimano e8000 is that its trail mode is for me the most intuitive riding experience of all the motors I have tried, simply in that it feels just like riding a normal bike to me, just amplified - you put more in, you get more out, and it responds like a normal bike would on technical climbs where you peddling inputs are inconsistent, i.e if you are doing half a pedal stroke to get up over a feature at slow speed, the motor behaves as you would expect a non motorised bike to when you put more or less effort/pressure through the crank. Irt also means the bike never behaves in a way you dont expect it to.The Bosch EMTB mode is very similar, but I am so used to the shaman now that even that feels less intuitive to me.
I think this is the Fazua's downfall, in that the software management to work for MTB is a lot more tricky to nail down than on a road bike, simply because you are having to factor in so many different types of pedal input, not just consistent cadences.
If you ride a Specilized, and then another Brose bike running the standard broke software, the standard power modes feel quite different, and (caveating I haven't ridden an SL yet) I would suspect its the software that governs the motor behaviour that is as much a factor in how they get so much out of the motor as the motor itself.
Totally agree, I just think that all things being equal between a pair of motors, the software is going to be the element most impacting the rider experience.Good points. I think its a mix of both the software and hardware. The hardware needs to be up to the task that the software is asking of it.
And what you seem to forget is that in the next couple of years companies will do exactly what I just said. It's likely already in development.
How about putting together a test bench for ebikes to simulate riding and then see which motor actually performs as claimed.
This wouldn't be that hard to do.Good points. I think its a mix of both the software and hardware. The hardware needs to be up to the task that the software is asking of it.I actually think the software is the single most important thing, more important than the motor itself. Its the software that governs how the motor feels, and how the user interacts with it.
It doesn't really matter if one motor is a bit more powerful on paper, if the software makes it unintuitive to use. One of the reason I have stuck with the Shimano e8000 is that its trail mode is for me the most intuitive riding experience of all the motors I have tried, simply in that it feels just like riding a normal bike to me, just amplified - you put more in, you get more out, and it responds like a normal bike would on technical climbs where you peddling inputs are inconsistent, i.e if you are doing half a pedal stroke to get up over a feature at slow speed, the motor behaves as you would expect a non motorised bike to when you put more or less effort/pressure through the crank. Irt also means the bike never behaves in a way you dont expect it to.The Bosch EMTB mode is very similar, but I am so used to the shaman now that even that feels less intuitive to me.
I think this is the Fazua's downfall, in that the software management to work for MTB is a lot more tricky to nail down than on a road bike, simply because you are having to factor in so many different types of pedal input, not just consistent cadences.
If you ride a Specilized, and then another Brose bike running the standard broke software, the standard power modes feel quite different, and (caveating I haven't ridden an SL yet) I would suspect its the software that governs the motor behaviour that is as much a factor in how they get so much out of the motor as the motor itself.
Follow up on my own question but here is a quote from mtbr first ride review...First Ride: Specialized Levo SL - Mtbr.comThe SL 1.1 motor has been used in the Creo which has been out in the field for several months now. What do we know of it's reliability at this point? Any known issues or users reporting high failure rates?
LEVO SL SLOWS TURBO LEVO’S DEVELOPMENT
Hi There! I’ve been reading your opinions from the beginning and now I will try to explain mine with my “Decathlon English”
I don’t understand very well Specialized’s strategy when launching the new Levo SL. This bike was supposed to be the future of our Turbo Levos in two generations, doesn’t it? Turbo Levos are little by little improving the motor, the battery and the weight so if we look at Turbo Levo 2023, we will see basically a Levo SL with more powerful motor and more battery. Anyway, both models will be the same in two or three years. Or maybe Turbo Levo goes 19kg and LevoSL goes 16kg.
I don’t know if you are getting my idea. Why launching LevoSL instead of launching a new Turbo Levo 2021 with improved specifications? In my opinion, Specialized will now stop Turbo Levo’s developement in order to sell more Levo SL.
I’d put a spy camera in Switzerland’s Spe. headquarters to see what are they working on these days.... I am a Turbo Levo’21 possibly owner, HYPE is the word until next September.
I hope you understand my idea. Anyway, I always think the same when I look to the e-bikes horizon: “Don’t mess with the future, they will be better. Go and ride your ebike now!” If I had to buy a ebike now I would buy LevoSL. Let’s see at the end of the summer....
Cheers!
I heard the Levo HT didnt sell well. There was a lot of end-of-season discounts and then the 2019 models came out with a much lower spec of components, presumably to try to shift them.
I like a hard tail (see avatar pic!) but they tend to look poor value next to entry-level full sussers.
Technically, I agree though! I'd love to see a progressive and agile HT with the SL system!
The demo ride has been cancelled because of the weather, it would appear the bike really is a lightweight.I’ve got a test ride booked for Saturday...
Yes I really cant see them spending more time on the current Levo unless they put a newer motor in it or Brose develop the Mag-s a bit more. Why would you hang on to a motor that has been the issue in so many of the warranty claims. Even though I like the more powerful Levo, if I was to buy a new bike I would probably get an SL as it's more current. I would have to try it out first of course. All the 'full fat' Levo needs is a more reliable motor, a scaled up SL maybe with better connections. I'm on my third 2.1 now in just over a year!LEVO SL SLOWS TURBO LEVO’S DEVELOPMENT
Hi There! I’ve been reading your opinions from the beginning and now I will try to explain mine with my “Decathlon English”
I don’t understand very well Specialized’s strategy when launching the new Levo SL. This bike was supposed to be the future of our Turbo Levos in two generations, doesn’t it? Turbo Levos are little by little improving the motor, the battery and the weight so if we look at Turbo Levo 2023, we will see basically a Levo SL with more powerful motor and more battery. Anyway, both models will be the same in two or three years. Or maybe Turbo Levo goes 19kg and LevoSL goes 16kg.
I don’t know if you are getting my idea. Why launching LevoSL instead of launching a new Turbo Levo 2021 with improved specifications? In my opinion, Specialized will now stop Turbo Levo’s developement in order to sell more Levo SL.
I’d put a spy camera in Switzerland’s Spe. headquarters to see what are they working on these days.... I am a Turbo Levo’21 possibly owner, HYPE is the word until next September.
I hope you understand my idea. Anyway, I always think the same when I look to the e-bikes horizon: “Don’t mess with the future, they will be better. Go and ride your ebike now!” If I had to buy a ebike now I would buy LevoSL. Let’s see at the end of the summer....
Cheers!
3 motors in a year really isn't good. I'd be concerned once warranty is gone.Yes I really cant see them spending more time on the current Levo unless they put a newer motor in it or Brose develop the Mag-s a bit more. Why would you hang on to a motor that has been the issue in so many of the warranty claims. Even though I like the more powerful Levo, if I was to buy a new bike I would probably get an SL as it's more current. I would have to try it out first of course. All the 'full fat' Levo needs is a more reliable motor, a scaled up SL maybe with better connections. I'm on my third 2.1 now in just over a year!LEVO SL SLOWS TURBO LEVO’S DEVELOPMENT
Hi There! I’ve been reading your opinions from the beginning and now I will try to explain mine with my “Decathlon English”
I don’t understand very well Specialized’s strategy when launching the new Levo SL. This bike was supposed to be the future of our Turbo Levos in two generations, doesn’t it? Turbo Levos are little by little improving the motor, the battery and the weight so if we look at Turbo Levo 2023, we will see basically a Levo SL with more powerful motor and more battery. Anyway, both models will be the same in two or three years. Or maybe Turbo Levo goes 19kg and LevoSL goes 16kg.
I don’t know if you are getting my idea. Why launching LevoSL instead of launching a new Turbo Levo 2021 with improved specifications? In my opinion, Specialized will now stop Turbo Levo’s developement in order to sell more Levo SL.
I’d put a spy camera in Switzerland’s Spe. headquarters to see what are they working on these days.... I am a Turbo Levo’21 possibly owner, HYPE is the word until next September.
I hope you understand my idea. Anyway, I always think the same when I look to the e-bikes horizon: “Don’t mess with the future, they will be better. Go and ride your ebike now!” If I had to buy a ebike now I would buy LevoSL. Let’s see at the end of the summer....
Cheers!
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