Peter Hill
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Yes I know, maybe I’ve just been unlucky ? Time will tell I suppose with the SL but it looks promising .3 motors in a year really isn't good. I'd be concerned once warranty is gone.
Yes I know, maybe I’ve just been unlucky ? Time will tell I suppose with the SL but it looks promising .3 motors in a year really isn't good. I'd be concerned once warranty is gone.
That is no way a QC issue. This many failures is a design problem.Yes I know, maybe I’ve just been unlucky ? Time will tell I suppose with the SL but it looks promising .3 motors in a year really isn't good. I'd be concerned once warranty is gone.
Good report! I've also got a cast berry comp carbon on order. Yes they are expensive but it's the exact bike I've been wanting and I'm ready to buy now. Don't want to wait a year or two for the competition to catch up. And I highly doubt it will be any cheaper when they do. Maybe some of the direct to consumer brands like YT can bring the price down but I want the local support and I want to support my local bike shop. I rode the SL and regular levo back to back and the weight difference is significant and really impacts the feel of the bike. If you don't need the extra power the SL makes allot of sense.Here are my stats after my demo ride last Sunday on a Levo SL expert with range extender.
Place: Henry Coe State Park - Gilroy, California
Weather: Wind storm; about 50mph to 60mph on the ridge; I had to stop a couple of times as I get deflected by the wind gust; lots of tress and branches fell.
Ride time: 3 hours 26 minutes
Distance: 24.5 miles
Ascent: 5,969 ft
Descent: 5,982 ft
Fastest Speed: 30.6 mph
Total Consumption: 429wh
Average Support Level: 115.81%
Battery remaining after the ride: 17%
Fun factor: ear to ear grin!
My wallet after the ride: Lighter as I bought a comp carbon model - cast berry color.
My wife's reaction: "you better sell your other bikes!"
Not sure if this one has done the rounds already or not ?
Here are my stats after my demo ride last Sunday on a Levo SL expert with range extender.
Place: Henry Coe State Park - Gilroy, California
Weather: Wind storm; about 50mph to 60mph on the ridge; I had to stop a couple of times as I get deflected by the wind gust; lots of tress and branches fell.
Ride time: 3 hours 26 minutes
Distance: 24.5 miles
Ascent: 5,969 ft
Descent: 5,982 ft
Fastest Speed: 30.6 mph
Total Consumption: 429wh
Average Support Level: 115.81%
Battery remaining after the ride: 17%
Fun factor: ear to ear grin!
My wallet after the ride: Lighter as I bought a comp carbon model - cast berry color.
My wife's reaction: "you better sell your other bikes!"
All the major motor manufacturers need to get the issue of reliability sorted ,my E8000 motor lasted 18 months and 1600 miles before I got the dreaded EO10 error code, 2 guys I ride with have a Levo and a Kenevo both have had new motors and one has had a new battery, there is simply no excuse for this, there is no reason why motors shouldn't be able to cover many thousands of miles,if designed with reliability in mind and not light weight, it will be very interesting to see how this new specialized motor stands up to the rigours of mountain biking, I wouldn't want to be a beta tester for them3 motors in a year really isn't good. I'd be concerned once warranty is gone.
The big worry is what happens after the warranty runs out, new motors should get a renewed 2 year warranty period in my opinion and not from the purchase date of the bike! I guess their problem with that would mean possibly replacing motors for the lifetime of the bike!!! On the other hand if I had paid up to £10000 for a car I would not expect to have replace the engine in the first two years ?Hope the new motor is more reliable .All the major motor manufacturers need to get the issue of reliability sorted ,my E8000 motor lasted 18 months and 1600 miles before I got the dreaded EO10 error code, 2 guys I ride with have a Levo and a Kenevo both have had new motors and one has had a new battery, there is simply no excuse for this, there is no reason why motors shouldn't be able to cover many thousands of miles,if designed with reliability in mind and not light weight, it will be very interesting to see how this new specialized motor stands up to the rigours of mountain biking, I wouldn't want to be a beta tester for them
I’m in exactly the same situation as you. Worried about spending 5k and not being happy with the spec. test ride booked but hidiou weather forecast so cancelled till next week.I have been so close to pulling the trigger on a Levo Comp over the last month, glad I held off because I think the SL is right up my alley. I'm already an experienced rider with decent fitness but looking for a little help on the climbs and on longer rides.The only thing that worries me is being an early adopter of a 1st Gen bike. Will there be kinks that need worked out? Will the prices come down quickly? It's just hard to say right now. The components on the comp models seem a little lacking for the price. I'm a light rider at only 5.7 ft and 135 lbs. I consider myself an intermediate level rider. I ride everything from handcut rocky and rooty xc trails, to smooth flow trails, to jumpy and rocky downhill trails. This would be my only bike. Current bike is an aluminum full suspension 27.5+ bike with 130mm of travel front and back(Pike fork). Rob (or anyone), think a comp sl would be a match for me? Would the fox 34 rythm hold me back at all? Lot of money for a bike! Thoughts?
Could not agree with you more!Awesome! You won’t need them now!!
I just ordered the YT Decoy. £4300 with full fox elite suspension and XT drive train in full carbon. 160mm travel.I’m in exactly the same situation as you. Worried about spending 5k and not being happy with the spec. test ride booked but hidiou weather forecast so cancelled till next week.I have been so close to pulling the trigger on a Levo Comp over the last month, glad I held off because I think the SL is right up my alley. I'm already an experienced rider with decent fitness but looking for a little help on the climbs and on longer rides.The only thing that worries me is being an early adopter of a 1st Gen bike. Will there be kinks that need worked out? Will the prices come down quickly? It's just hard to say right now. The components on the comp models seem a little lacking for the price. I'm a light rider at only 5.7 ft and 135 lbs. I consider myself an intermediate level rider. I ride everything from handcut rocky and rooty xc trails, to smooth flow trails, to jumpy and rocky downhill trails. This would be my only bike. Current bike is an aluminum full suspension 27.5+ bike with 130mm of travel front and back(Pike fork). Rob (or anyone), think a comp sl would be a match for me? Would the fox 34 rythm hold me back at all? Lot of money for a bike! Thoughts?
I do agree that for the prices Specialise charge they could include a better spec on some components, they don’t compare well to other brands in this respect. I guess it means they can always offer an S-Works model which has the components that we all want. I’m sure they are able to buy components at a good deal in the volumes of bikes they sell? This should be passed on to the consumer. They also make sure they lend as many bikes out as possible to reviewers so they always get pretty ‘favourable’ reviews! After all these guys will want more bikes to test and ride in the future right? They are good at marketing and the recent live forum was however a brave step with some slightly awkward questions that were skilfully answered.I just ordered the YT Decoy. £4300 with full fox elite suspension and XT drive train in full carbon. 160mm travel.
I could buy a spare battery and motor and still have money left over before I even got to specialized expert model price.
Dont be fooled in to this local bike store crap either most are chains and dont give a crap. You ain't supporting a mom and pop store usually and even then they will still fix a problem cheap. Only big warranty claims need to go back. If I cant use the bike I'll go to the pub or do one of my other sports it's really no big deal.
Specialized are ripping off the uk Ive seen a price in europe which was 17% full rrp less. They also breach uk and European law. Explain why euro dealers are not allowed to ship to uk inside the so called single market? Dealers are scared to show discounted 2020 bikes online which is also illegal price control. All the videos online are paid propaganda nearly all breach uk law because they fail to inform it's not a review it's a paid promotion.
That comp model is a joke. My 2016 stumpjumper had better suspension and spec. One levo model didnt even come with a dropper post!!!
It's not light weight though is it. Its just lighter than normal. Only the top s works model is light. The comp is 19.5kg without pedals.Yeah but I don't want a YT Decoy.
Right now the only bike in the short chainstay lightweight 29" sector is the SL.
Yeah they're pricey. It's a market, buy it or don't. We all have choice.
I want an SL but I think I'll sit it out for now - a test ride may change that tho.
But I'm 53. The clock is ticking and I want to ride, how long do I wait?
My dealer's OK but your point is sound.
Our glorious Brexit has ****ed GBP. Not my choice.
I look forwards to the day when dealer support isn't necessary for an emtb. I don't need dealer support for my bio bikes, I fix them myself.
Who exactly? And what’s your source?All the videos online are paid propaganda nearly all breach uk law because they fail to inform it's not a review it's a paid promotion.
Yeah but I don't want a YT Decoy.
Right now the only bike in the short chainstay lightweight 29" sector is the SL.
Yeah they're pricey. It's a market, buy it or don't. We all have choice.
I want an SL but I think I'll sit it out for now - a test ride may change that tho.
But I'm 53. The clock is ticking and I want to ride. I'm also fortunate that on paper I can afford it. How long do I wait?
My dealer's OK but your point is sound.
Our glorious Brexit has ****ed GBP. (Don't look at me on that one!).
I look forwards to the day when dealer support isn't necessary for an emtb. I don't need dealer support for my bio bikes, I fix them myself.
ps I don't know the law on paid promotion but I think channels need to watch they don't get perceived as Spesh shills and loose their independent authority. Perhaps that's why Santa Cruz didn't bother with some of the emtb channels for the Heckler launch.
True, just wish they were a bit less expensive. I have an S-Works Levo, had to spend a long time trying to justify the expense ! Just for the record a year old and three motors!! I still love the bike though I know I could have bought a cheaper model with the same motor but hey ho ? I think the weight of the new SL is now a bigger consideration with the smaller Less powerful motor making the S-Works SL more desirable due to the 16.9Kg weight.Each to their own mate, enjoy your YT.
Yes Spesh are good marketers. Nothing wrong with that, business is business, no one's being exploited by expensive ebikes.
Emtb network and their sister youtube channel gmtb network.Who exactly? And what’s your source?All the videos online are paid propaganda nearly all breach uk law because they fail to inform it's not a review it's a paid promotion.
It's not light weight though is it. Its just lighter than normal. Only the top s works model is light. The comp is 19.5kg without pedals.
2.3" tyres are pants compared to 2.5 or 2.6. Trail compound on a 20kg bike without range extender. I forget specialized casing names but is that the thin wall?
Looks to me like some major compromises to save a couple of kg off the bike.
16.9kg S Works is the bait for £11,000. Walk out of the store with a 20kg comp for the normal biker with half the normal assistance, less range and an untested motor.
You raise some interesting points. As a YouTube creator I’d like to add a few things.Emtb network and their sister youtube channel gmtb network.
YouTubes algorithm has started putting "contains paid promotion" on some videos but most do not. This is under threat from regulators.
The real murky situation is when they sponsor adverts but give a bike to review for free. Whilst it's not direct paid reviews the threat of them pulling advert spend means that rarely a bad word is said . If a commercial agreement exists then it is all considered paid promotion. The regulator is going after individual Instagram influencers with huge fines for the same reasons.
Ebike-mtb given 2 weeks exclusive access to the SL. This is a commercial advantage and also considered paid for content.
This in my opinion is no different than paying for fake reviews on amazon. Its just more sophisticated in its method.
End of the day money talks.
I'd say your videos are well balanced. As an individual it's likely easier to be as well.You raise some interesting points. As a YouTube creator I’d like to add a few things.Emtb network and their sister youtube channel gmtb network.
YouTubes algorithm has started putting "contains paid promotion" on some videos but most do not. This is under threat from regulators.
The real murky situation is when they sponsor adverts but give a bike to review for free. Whilst it's not direct paid reviews the threat of them pulling advert spend means that rarely a bad word is said . If a commercial agreement exists then it is all considered paid promotion. The regulator is going after individual Instagram influencers with huge fines for the same reasons.
Ebike-mtb given 2 weeks exclusive access to the SL. This is a commercial advantage and also considered paid for content.
This in my opinion is no different than paying for fake reviews on amazon. Its just more sophisticated in its method.
End of the day money talks.
“Contains paid promotion” tagged videos are not a YouTube algorithm. The creator must physically tag when a video contains paid content. This isn’t a YouTube algorithm but a declaration by the video creator.
EMBN have clearly tagged that their video contained paid promotion.
On the ‘free’ bike aspect, all manufacturers loan bikes out to media outlets to test. I have a test bike. It’s not mine. I do not own it. At some point Specialized will ask for it back.
There is no agreement that I make content. No contract. Nothing.
This is the same with most bike companies.
I’m actually going to make a YouTube video on paid content to explain my position here as there’s a few things I want to be clear on.
If you dont get 15% off then you didnt haggle with the right shop. I'd also say the expert is the minimum spec I'd consider in their whole range now. Anything below is too gimpedIt's not light weight though is it. Its just lighter than normal. Only the top s works model is light. The comp is 19.5kg without pedals.
2.3" tyres are pants compared to 2.5 or 2.6. Trail compound on a 20kg bike without range extender. I forget specialized casing names but is that the thin wall?
Looks to me like some major compromises to save a couple of kg off the bike.
16.9kg S Works is the bait for £11,000. Walk out of the store with a 20kg comp for the normal biker with half the normal assistance, less range and an untested motor.
You can walk out of the store for £6750 with a Levo SL Expert - and it’s 17.7kg. A few tweaks, and I think I can get it nearer 17kg.
I’ve been riding a 22+kg Trek Rail 9.9 for the last few weeks, and have decided the excess weight is not for me.
17kg is still a heavy bike - but 5kg is a LOT of weight to shed.
The SL won’t be for everyone. That’s a fact! People who have been riding Bosch / Shimano and Brose motors will be difficult to convert since they’re used to so much more power. For me, I want something to give me a little boost - not to rocket up the hills like a trail bike.
The 2.3 tyre saves 60g over the 2.6 tyre. Specialized run the Stumpjumper and Levo now with a 2.3 rear and a 2.6 front. I’ll be adding 60g onto my Expert and putting a 2.6 on the front!
If you dont get 15% off then you didnt haggle with the right shop.
14% but direct to consumer pricing is different.If you dont get 15% off then you didnt haggle with the right shop.
Did you get 15% of your YT?
Nobody said it was?but. it's. not. the. same. bike.
If you dont get 15% off then you didnt haggle with the right shop. I'd also say the expert is the minimum spec I'd consider in their whole range now. Anything below is too gimped
Nobody is offended.Its the person buying the bikes business how much they pay, I couldn't care what someone pays for a bike. I dont get why people get offended that brand X charges more than brand Y.
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