sorry, but I did not feel that at all, after several attempts, I returned to the classic use of trail modeI suspect a lot of people don't understand the difference between Trail and Boost modes. There's almost no reason not to have Trail mode set fairly high, since it dynamically adjusts assist and power based on pedal input. At least that's been my experience.
Don't they all adjust based on pedal input, but with different levels of assistance to facilitate battery management, and personal preferences?I suspect a lot of people don't understand the difference between Trail and Boost modes. There's almost no reason not to have Trail mode set fairly high, since it dynamically adjusts assist and power based on pedal input. At least that's been my experience.
Don't they all adjust based on pedal input, but with different levels of assistance to facilitate battery management, and personal preferences?
I suspect a lot of people don't understand the difference between Trail and Boost modes. There's almost no reason not to have Trail mode set fairly high, since it dynamically adjusts assist and power based on pedal input. At least that's been my experience.
But if assist is tied to pedal input, the battery drains faster the harder I pedal.
That's why I set my limits low. Pedaling harder with a lower limit, means I reach the limit sooner and put in more of my own power instead of using more battery.
it works like that, except for the trail mode which would not be linear dixit shimano, I have doubts
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I don't think there's anything funky about the way the power comes in, other than the fact that it doesn't seem to start until about 5 Nm or torque are detected. The graphs drop off because the users input increases after the motor has reached either the maximum output, or the maximum output setting for that mode. BTW, I really appreciate your sharing these charts, I really get into that type of info.it works like that, except for the trail mode which would not be linear dixit shimano, I have doubts and the eco mode which is adjustable like the others
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I don't think there's anything funky about the way the power comes in, other than the fact that it doesn't seem to start until about 5 Nm or torque are detected. The graphs drop off because the users input increases after the motor has reached either the maximum output, or the maximum output setting for that mode. BTW, I really appreciate your sharing these charts, I really get into that type of info.
Well, there's clearly a fundamental difference between how Trail mode works vs Eco or Boost. The other two modes are quick step-up to a peak setting, whereas Trail mode is linear through the whole range. You can of course tweak the "peaks" on all modes, but the "curves" are quite different for Trail.
Well, there's clearly a fundamental difference between how Trail mode works vs Eco or Boost. The other two modes are quick step-up to a peak setting, whereas Trail mode is linear through the whole range. You can of course tweak the "peaks" on all modes, but the "curves" are quite different for Trail.
I have been using the standard settings for a year and still getting used to the behaviour of the boost mode. Initially it seemed too much power on a hard to control delivery, but as I develop the skill of keeping balance and front/rear weight distribution while standing up at very low speeds, timing and powering the pedal strokes carefully, the steps motor makes me capable of climbing unbelievable steep filled with deep ruts, rocks and roots where even hikers have trouble going through.
Ok, It sounds as if there's more to differentiate Trail and Boost than just the amount of torque and assist. Can someone explain the difference, please? Use small words! ;-)If you set "Trail" mode to max assist/torque using Stunlocker, you'll never need to use Boost, and you'll still have access to the maximum power of the motor, in a far more controlled way.
Ok, It sounds as if there's more to differentiate Trail and Boost than just the amount of torque and assist. Can someone explain the difference, please? Use small words! ;-)
Oh. I still think most people are interpreting the graph incorrectly, but we can all believe what we want to believe and be happy as we whir off into the woods!
But then it will consume batterie faster, I use like 30/60/10 of eco trail boost, using trail on flowing trails and keeping boost to the situations when keeping momentum is impossible and all the torque is needed to keep the wheel turning, and in these situations I like the different lag that boost has over trail mode.If you set "Trail" mode to max assist/torque using Stunlocker, you'll never need to use Boost, and you'll still have access to the maximum power of the motor, in a far more controlled way.
Yes, although shimano themselves have a mode where trail is in low (dynamic mode). I imagine it is still dynamic up to whatever the level of assist is. If you leave it on high, it will be dynamic up to maximum; if set to low, it will be dynamic to whatever the upper limit of low is. Looking at the graph above, in dynamic profile, to me this looks like the ideal for trail mode. If you look at the chart that shows assist levels for the different modes, trail is set to low in the dynamic profile. In my custom profile I also have trail set to low. So there really is a difference in, and advantage depending on your riding style, to setting trail to low. For me, it's technical and steep climbing, as someone else already said, the sort of track that bush walkers often fall on their bums when coming down, or slip on going up, looking for footholds.I suspect a lot of people don't understand the difference between Trail and Boost modes. There's almost no reason not to have Trail mode set fairly high, since it dynamically adjusts assist and power based on pedal input. At least that's been my experience.
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