Geo Alber
Member
This may be a stupid question.. but how do you check proper size for rear spokes?
Kenevo Gen1 Official 2020 Kenevo Owners Thread
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whiterabbit
Member
I always used online documentation of the hub and rim to determine that. If I had a built wheel, I'd probably pull one spoke and just measure it. Normally if I care about spoke length it's because I have a hub and rim I bought separate and I need to make it work.
Here's a dumb question I can't find an answer on Google for. Anyone ever weigh the BARE FRAME of the 2020 Kenevo? Ideally with battery(either one, none is OK too) and motor, but beggars can't be choosers. Even better if s4, but I'm just asking too much now.
I'd love to know how this frame weight compares to non-electric bike frames. Not a ballpark, the exact 2020-generation Kenevo frame. The bike is ballpark 15-20 lb heavier. I'm curious how much of that weight is borne by the frame/motor/battery and how much is borne by the spec that has to be selected to handle the weight.
Wanna know that without taking mine apart to the bare frame.
Here's a dumb question I can't find an answer on Google for. Anyone ever weigh the BARE FRAME of the 2020 Kenevo? Ideally with battery(either one, none is OK too) and motor, but beggars can't be choosers. Even better if s4, but I'm just asking too much now.
I'd love to know how this frame weight compares to non-electric bike frames. Not a ballpark, the exact 2020-generation Kenevo frame. The bike is ballpark 15-20 lb heavier. I'm curious how much of that weight is borne by the frame/motor/battery and how much is borne by the spec that has to be selected to handle the weight.
Wanna know that without taking mine apart to the bare frame.
I can weigh an S3 next week for ya. It’s getting sprayed atm so I will weigh all the bits for ya.
whiterabbit
Member
Awesome!
Alexbn921
Well-known member
Weighted my S5 Kenevo Expert with Magic mary DH tires, cushcore and 220 front rotor. 24.5kg.
Carbon bars
XTR 4pot brakes
XT 12 speed drivetrain.
Bikeyoke 185mm dropper with wolf tooth leaver
Carbon bars
XTR 4pot brakes
XT 12 speed drivetrain.
Bikeyoke 185mm dropper with wolf tooth leaver
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whiterabbit
Member
my s4 with 740 wH batt, 1400g DH tires F/R, and 220 rotor is 26.5 kg. That's why I'm curious about the frame weight.
Might be academic since no one who buys a Kenevo cares about weight per-se (to a point), but it is interesting nonetheless.
Might be academic since no one who buys a Kenevo cares about weight per-se (to a point), but it is interesting nonetheless.
Geo Alber
Member
Loving the Ohlins Mullet set up. I am really impressed with fork over high speed bumps. .really smooth.
whiterabbit
Member
Sorry mate, guys flat out. He said end of this week if you can wait a little longer.Any luck getting your frame back from spray?
whiterabbit
Member
I have all the time in the world. patience, well, that's a lifetime learning effort
Dr Zed
New Member
Hi everyone! I am new to the forum! Just got back from a night ride at AE Forest! Here is my 2021 Kenevo S5(I had it for almost a year now, what a machine!
). 220mm rotor up front, boxxer upped to 200mm travel, set of Maxxis tyres, otherwise stock. I'm just about to swap the horrible command post for oneup dropper!
TastyCalypso
Member
Just ordered myself an S3. At 5"10 I always find myself between sizes so decided to for the smaller for a change, something a bit more playful. Anything I should know, recommended changes etc?
whiterabbit
Member
Alexbn921
Well-known member
Just added a Avalanche damper into my boxxer and it completely changed the feel for the better. The stock RC damper is garbage.
Yes! Finally picked it up two days ago. Guy was flat out!I hope your shop got you your frame back?
Ok so exactly what do you need measured weighed?Happy to give you any detail you like.
ebikerider
Active member
Pics please!
whiterabbit
Member
Frame plus motor is good for me sir. Without battery. Basically the equivalent of the frame of any other bike.
whiterabbit
Member
WOOOOW!
My non-e-bike has a frame that weighs 2.877 kg bare. Your Kenevo is 2.7 kg bare! (probably 2.877 kg after you add the linkage bearings in)
My non-e-bike "can weigh" 30 pounds if I didn't have a boner for DH class tires and coil spring suspension. So it weighs around 31-32 lb.
That means if I used the same parts from my non-e-bike, my Kenevo would weigh roughly 32 pounds, plus the 7.4 lb the motor adds. Plus the 8.5 lb the 740 Wh battery adds. That is 47.9 lb (currently weighs 58 lb!!), or 39.4 lb without the battery!
39.4 is just 3 lb heavier than my non-e-bike weighed before I (for fun) started a mid-price weight weenie project on it.
The fiddly bits would add a bit of weight of course, but can you imagine a full-pedal Kenevo that weighed just under 40 pounds? And I wouldn't even have to pay $12,000 (KSL) to get there!
I didn't realize there was this much potential in the frame. That's amazing.
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Can you imagine if a smart dude of some sort made an Al structure that bolted to the motor dropouts and gave you a BB mount? You would be able to convert your Kenevo to a full pedal bike and back in an hour's wrenching time and have a one-bike that can do it all. Even though 99% of us wouldn't go there, but still way cool thought. I'd pay $500 for such a thing without a second thought.
My non-e-bike has a frame that weighs 2.877 kg bare. Your Kenevo is 2.7 kg bare! (probably 2.877 kg after you add the linkage bearings in
)My non-e-bike "can weigh" 30 pounds if I didn't have a boner for DH class tires and coil spring suspension. So it weighs around 31-32 lb.
That means if I used the same parts from my non-e-bike, my Kenevo would weigh roughly 32 pounds, plus the 7.4 lb the motor adds. Plus the 8.5 lb the 740 Wh battery adds. That is 47.9 lb (currently weighs 58 lb!!), or 39.4 lb without the battery!
39.4 is just 3 lb heavier than my non-e-bike weighed before I (for fun) started a mid-price weight weenie project on it.
The fiddly bits would add a bit of weight of course, but can you imagine a full-pedal Kenevo that weighed just under 40 pounds? And I wouldn't even have to pay $12,000 (KSL) to get there!
I didn't realize there was this much potential in the frame. That's amazing.
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Can you imagine if a smart dude of some sort made an Al structure that bolted to the motor dropouts and gave you a BB mount? You would be able to convert your Kenevo to a full pedal bike and back in an hour's wrenching time and have a one-bike that can do it all. Even though 99% of us wouldn't go there, but still way cool thought. I'd pay $500 for such a thing without a second thought.
WOOOOW!
My non-e-bike has a frame that weighs 2.877 kg bare. Your Kenevo is 2.7 kg bare! (probably 2.877 kg after you add the linkage bearings in
My non-e-bike "can weigh" 30 pounds if I didn't have a boner for DH class tires and coil spring suspension. So it weighs around 31-32 lb.
That means if I used the same parts from my non-e-bike, my Kenevo would weigh roughly 32 pounds, plus the 7.4 lb the motor adds. Plus the 8.5 lb the 740 Wh battery adds. That is 47.9 lb (currently weighs 58 lb!!), or 39.4 lb without the battery!
39.4 is just 3 lb heavier than my non-e-bike weighed before I (for fun) started a mid-price weight weenie project on it.
The fiddly bits would add a bit of weight of course, but can you imagine a full-pedal Kenevo that weighed just under 40 pounds? And I wouldn't even have to pay $12,000 (KSL) to get there!
I didn't realize there was this much potential in the frame. That's amazing.
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Can you imagine if a smart dude of some sort made an Al structure that bolted to the motor dropouts and gave you a BB mount? You would be able to convert your Kenevo to a full pedal bike and back in an hour's wrenching time and have a one-bike that can do it all. Even though 99% of us wouldn't go there, but still way cool thought. I'd pay $500 for such a thing without a second thought.
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You would be able to convert your Kenevo to a full pedal bike and back in an hour's wrenching time and have a one-bike that can do it all.
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I sometimes ride my KSL with the motor off when I am riding with one of my analogue mates. It pedals so nice for an ebike.
You would be able to convert your Kenevo to a full pedal bike and back in an hour's wrenching time and have a one-bike that can do it all.
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I sometimes ride my KSL with the motor off when I am riding with one of my analogue mates. It pedals so nice for an ebike.
whiterabbit
Member
I’m just trying to cure the world, one KSL at a time.
Alexbn921
Well-known member
I have Zero interest in a SL bike. In fact I want more range. Current power levels are fine, but it's hard to use it all and still do 6000+ feet.
As a side note:
I just installed an Avalanche damper in my Boxxer and it transformed the fork. It's absolutely amazing and I highly recommend it to anyone that wants the best suspension feel available. The stock RC damper is complete and total trash.
As a side note:
I just installed an Avalanche damper in my Boxxer and it transformed the fork. It's absolutely amazing and I highly recommend it to anyone that wants the best suspension feel available. The stock RC damper is complete and total trash.
Did you lower the travel to compensate fot the bigger front wheel of stay at 180 ?
I’ve got a 29” 170 zeb for my and hoping it’ll feel good !
Titch
New Member
Hello , though not an expert, but I’m still adding my 10 cents, 35mm internal should be better than the standard 28mm roval rims, especially if running 2.6 and above tyres, but just from what I’ve seen, was quite surprised that they came in 28mm to start with, maybe they had a lot of stock, cheers
Waverid
Member
Nice! Is it the hybrid damper? I have his custom rear coil built from the marz bomber and it’s awesome. Increased travel to 190mm and the last 10mm is a bump stop. Shock is flawless.
I’ve been thinking a lot about the hybrid damper for the boxxer. How would you describe the differences? Did you install it yourself or have Craig do it?
-Aaron
Alexbn921
Well-known member
It's not the hybrid. I don't think adding the spring helps at all with all the stock air seals still in place. Now swapping out the air for coil is better.
I installed it myself. I did pull the top out spring out as it was limiting full extension without the hybrid coil.
Fork went from harsh unsupported and blowing through travel to firm with no harshness and perfect big hit blow off. Rides higher and seems to track way better. Has already saved me from chrashing when the front wheel skidded and regained traction. Old damper would just let go.
My main advice would be to get a softer all mountain tune unless you are a true pro that absolutely smashes and hit big jumps. Creig tunes all the way up to stupid stiff pro only. Most of us are not that.
I got the all mountain tune with 200mm damper which adds a small amount of weight but allows for future 200mm forks.
I installed it myself. I did pull the top out spring out as it was limiting full extension without the hybrid coil.
Fork went from harsh unsupported and blowing through travel to firm with no harshness and perfect big hit blow off. Rides higher and seems to track way better. Has already saved me from chrashing when the front wheel skidded and regained traction. Old damper would just let go.
My main advice would be to get a softer all mountain tune unless you are a true pro that absolutely smashes and hit big jumps. Creig tunes all the way up to stupid stiff pro only. Most of us are not that.
I got the all mountain tune with 200mm damper which adds a small amount of weight but allows for future 200mm forks.
Waverid
Member
TY. I definitely error on the side of plush. I like to ride fast but no where near pro. How much do you weigh? I was prepared to swap out the fork damper asap but have actually been impressed with it for a mid grade fork. The rear shock that came with the bike was just plain poor. I weigh 155lbs and never ride with a pack. I’m on an S3. What a great bike!
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