New Bosch Tour + Mode

[Flyfisha]

I am not sure if this answers your question? The latest update is 1.1.5.0

 

[Akiwi]

Yeah what he said 1.1.5.0
I did a ride on Saturday and used Tour+ a bit more.
For saving battery it is definitely a plus.
However, it was HOT, and steep and I when I changed from Eco into Tour+, unless I was really pushing with my legs, I didn't get the relief I was expecting. Occasionally on long climbs you need a breather and the old tour gave that. However, you tend to get lazy and leave it in tour for longer than you need, and therefore use more battery. I found myself switching to EMTB or even Turbo where I would have been in Tour with the older version.

I tend to do long adventure rides with mostly over 1000m vertical where battery saving is important, so for that I think it will be good. But it will force me to use my legs more than I am used to. When I do the really long days with over 2000m vertical (charge somewhere along the way) I hope I can handle it.

Conclusion: definitely where I used to switch between eco and Tour, you can now just leave it in tour, and probably use less battery.
However, when you are knackered and need a bit of relief, you now have to go up to EMTB or Turbo for that little bit of extra power from the motor.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

I am doing a Trans Alp in 3 weeks with 635km (400 miles) and 15,000 m (50,000 feet) vertical. 1 battery.

Did I read this correct? Single charge?!

 

[The Hodge]

Did I read this correct? Single charge?!

It would appear not as in his post above he is saying that if he does 2000m vertical he needs a charge along the way..
Im reading that he is saying he will be doing the Trans Alp without a spare battery ..?

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Ahh ok, so charging along the way. Makes sense.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Ahh ok, so charging along the way. Makes sense.

He did something similar a couple of years ago. Bloody impressive !

Transalp 2020

Thought I would start a new thread to document my 2020 transalp that starts on Sunday for if anyone is interested. I have been planning it for the last few months, and now intensively getting my gear together and packing for 2 additional weeks of biking and windsurfing on lake Garda in Italy. I...

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Evening charges and sometimes a quick lunchtime top up when possible, still some incredible distances and terrain covered.

 

[The Hodge]

Just looked at that 2020 thread ..fan..bloody ..tastic ..I also see why he got his Kermit moniker ..??

 

[Akiwi]

Did I read this correct? Single charge?!

As already said, 1 battery but multiple charges.
In the planning you check out where it is possible to stop and plug in.
Sometimes a couple of short stops for a coffee, or a good 1 hr lunch break.
The first trans alp I only had the 4A charger, and never ran out of charge. Came close a couple of times.
Last year I had the 6A charger. But I ran out one day that we ended up biking over 3000m vertical.
We took a wrong turn once and blasted down the wrong way. so had to climb about 300m back up, then later it turned out the hotel we booked was 480 vertical meters above the town it said it was at!! Big mistake.

The route I am planning this year is this.
Based on this

Transalp.info - Albrecht-Route eMTB XL

Transalp auf der Albrecht-Route, optimiert für eMountainbike, XL-Route mit Varianten, eMTB

www.transalp.info

 

[The Hodge]

That puts the E(pic) into ebiking ..best of luck for a trouble free journey..

 

[ggx]

The Tour+ mode replaces the older one if version is upgraded, or is an option?

 

[Akiwi]

The Tour+ mode replaces the older one if version is upgraded, or is an option?

It is an option. You can choose if you want it, or if you want to keep the old one.

 

[Giff]

I have the Tour+ and my software version is 4.0.2.0. I updated the Kiox software from the eBike app on my phone before the LBS did the Tour + upgrade .
It has two new icons. One small clock / meter and another to tell you if your phone or GPS unit is connected.

I don't like Tour + though and am going to get it taken off. On Tour there is a noticeable jump from Eco to Tour. In Tour + nothing happens until you increase the cadence. I'm sure some people love it....preferences!

 

[Rahr85]

I got mine updated to tour+ today. Weather isn't looking favourable this weekend for a fair test but we shall see.

 

[Hobo Mikey]

Just dropped my bike off for service and new tyre etc and the bike mechanic said did I want the tour + so I said yes and if I don’t like it he will put it back to what it was. will post how it is when I get it back next week.

 

[EchoLima21]

I think Tour+ is excellent. Better dynamically than Tour in every way; easy enough uphill and down trail. This pic is from a recent Surrey Hills ride on my 2021 E-160 S. I’m 12st dead plus kit.

 

[Flyfisha]

I have had the tour+ for a few hundred km now . My impression is for my style of riding on bike paths that are smooth but hilly is I will definitely be keeping it switched on. As I often do the same 3 hour circuit around the same smooth bike path I feel I have a good understanding of how the battery performance is affected. I see a very slight increase in range with a lot less switching between modes . Tour+ offers assistance that is economical but does not offer the assistance of full turbo mode without manually switching modes.

 

[sunstoner]

I have had the tour+ for a few hundred km now . My impression is for my style of riding on bike paths that are smooth but hilly is I will definitely be keeping it switched on. As I often do the same 3 hour circuit around the same smooth bike path I feel I have a good understanding of how the battery performance is affected. I see a very slight increase in range with a lot less switching between modes . Tour+ offers assistance that is economical but does not offer the assistance of full turbo mode without manually switching modes.

It is supposed to offer Eco thru to Turbo depending upon how much you stomp on the pedals.

 

[nixo]

I'm struggling to see how a mode that has more assist than the one it replaces can be more economical? Unless you mean it's more economical than EMTB mode?

I think because it uses eco, tour and turbo modes it can land up being more efficient and still delivering better power when it's needed. This article claims the moustache one (bosch's own tour+ must be similar) gets a small efficiency gain over the old tour - which must mean that when you're just using tour, you're over powering in some places (flats).

I'm only using Tour+ now (was just using eMTB before), but I must admit I'm not sure when Tour+ is kicking into turbo as it doesn't feel like it does even on the really steep sections of my ride (steep t the point you need to put the seat down and lean well forward to get up without doing a flip).

New Bosch MAGIC TOUR mode – a progressive mode with increased range and improved responsiveness, for Moustache only?

Moustache are updating their Bosch e-bikes with the progressive MAGIC TOUR mode. Can this latest software increase the range of your battery?

ebike-mtb.com

 

[nixo]

I have had the tour+ for a few hundred km now . My impression is for my style of riding on bike paths that are smooth but hilly is I will definitely be keeping it switched on. As I often do the same 3 hour circuit around the same smooth bike path I feel I have a good understanding of how the battery performance is affected. I see a very slight increase in range with a lot less switching between modes . Tour+ offers assistance that is economical but does not offer the assistance of full turbo mode without manually switching modes.

My experience is the same - seems to me turbo is not being engaged even on really steep sections. So it turbo is not working on really steep sections where you'd think you'd need it, where is it being engaged?

You can see from this graph (this the moustache magic tour mode, but Tour+ you'd think would be very similar) that the turbo does kicj in but only right at the end when it senses maximum effort... but I really don't think I'm getting that. Before Tour+ I rode the steep section in eMTB and can feel that extra power over the Tour+. Would love to see some real world tests and graphs to see what power level is being applied when.

New Bosch MAGIC TOUR mode – a progressive mode with increased range and improved responsiveness, for Moustache only?

Moustache are updating their Bosch e-bikes with the progressive MAGIC TOUR mode. Can this latest software increase the range of your battery?

ebike-mtb.com

 

[sunstoner]

This article claims the moustache one (bosch's own tour+ must be similar) gets a small efficiency gain over the old tour - which must mean that when you're just using tour, you're over powering in some places (flats).

I only use Tour no matter what im riding on, so surely at times in Tour+ you're overpowering too with its extra assistance possibly?!

As Eco is the default state for Tour+ and many of us ride enough less demanding flatter sections its no wonder theres a small increase in efficiency from a battery point of view.

What are bosch gonna do next, offer 'super-Eco' which has zero assistance and amazing battery life?. We'll be back on analogue bikes before long to feel good about ourselves for not needing any assistance at all.

Ultimately the options are there to have what suits us best whether its Tour or Tour+ and TG for that.

 

[nixo]

I only use Tour no matter what im riding on, so surely at times in Tour+ you're overpowering too with its extra assistance possibly?!

As Eco is the default state for Tour+ and many of us ride enough less demanding flatter sections its no wonder theres a small increase in efficiency from a battery point of view.

What are bosch gonna do next, offer 'super-Eco' which has zero assistance and amazing battery life?. We'll be back on analogue bikes before long to feel good about ourselves for not needing any assistance at all.

Ultimately the options are there to have what suits us best whether its Tour or Tour+ and TG for that.

I was responding to this comment from Doomanic:

I'm struggling to see how a mode that has more assist than the one it replaces can be more economical?

...just trying to explain why it's possible that Tour+ could have 'more' assistance and yet still deliver better battery life. Think is it's not actually more linear assistance... see the curve of MagicTour (Tour+ would have to be close). So you're getting less assistance at the bottom end, but more assistance at the top. Personally, I like the Tour+ mode a lot. I'll probably leave it on that 99% of of the time now.

 

[Akiwi]

I only use Tour no matter what im riding on, so surely at times in Tour+ you're overpowering too with its extra assistance possibly?!

As Eco is the default state for Tour+ and many of us ride enough less demanding flatter sections its no wonder theres a small increase in efficiency from a battery point of view.

What are bosch gonna do next, offer 'super-Eco' which has zero assistance and amazing battery life?. We'll be back on analogue bikes before long to feel good about ourselves for not needing any assistance at all.

Ultimately the options are there to have what suits us best whether its Tour or Tour+ and TG for that.

For the types of rides I do, that would be quite good. If it's flat I normally have the motor turned off.

 

[Chrisjones6699]

I think Tour+ is excellent. Better dynamically than Tour in every way; easy enough uphill and down trail. This pic is from a recent Surrey Hills ride on my 2021 E-160 S. I’m 12st dead plus kit.

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Could you please tell me what tour looks like on the purion? I’ve just had my bike back after a battery fault and they reckon they’ve updated it but it looks exactly the same as before.

 

[EchoLima21]

Could you please tell me what tour looks like on the purion? I’ve just had my bike back after a battery fault and they reckon they’ve updated it but it looks exactly the same as before.

I asked my LBS the same question - it replaces the Tour software but not the mode display. Pedal it for a bit on the trails and you’ll realise it’s quite different.

 

[Chrisjones6699]

I asked my LBS the same question - it replaces the Tour software but not the mode display. Pedal it for a bit on the trails and you’ll realise it’s quite different.

Thank you!! I’ll give it a go later on. They’ve had my bike for a month so hopefully I’ll remember what tour felt like before ?

 

[GrahamPaul]

I asked my LBS the same question - it replaces the Tour software but not the mode display. Pedal it for a bit on the trails and you’ll realise it’s quite different.

Totally agree. Had mine updated yesterday. As the LBS know that I'd be querying where Tour+ was, given that I had specifically asked for it , they gave me this screenshot of the update software confirming that "Tour" on the display now equals "Tour+":

 

[Chrisjones6699]

Definitely have the tour+ and it’s amazing!! Select and forget for me. I can finally move that purion off the handlebars for a clean look! ?

 

[Doomanic]

Where are you going to put the Purion?

 

[Chrisjones6699]

We

Where are you going to put the Purion?

I've bought a stem mount off a member on here. You can fold it out of the way. Looks really good. I’ll post a picture when I’ve done it.

 

[GrahamPaul]

First ride out this morning with the new Tour+ Mode. Very impressed. It really is a keeper.

Where I would expect to be using Eco, I switched down from Tour+ and back up and there was absolutely no difference. However, with gradients, I just kept my cadence and pressed a bit harder and just kinda glided up. Chap I was with was busily switching through Tour/MTB/Turbo over the same rises. Certainly gave the heart a workout until the last climb home, where I switched into Turbo proper for the boring bit.

Next thing is to try some technical climbs to see how predictable it is. I find EMTB too easy to spin out the back wheel. Hopefully this new mode surges a little less and is more controllable.