New Bosch Tour + Mode

[Beekeeper]

In summary, this appears to be an additional mode which sits between Tour and EMTB. It automatically adjusts assistance from Eco all the way to Turbo.
You potentially get more range compared to Tour or EMTB because with Tour + It shifts down to eco on the flat.

Dynamic support and more range for everyone – Bosch present the new Tour+ mode

Bosch present the new dynamic Tour+ mode for more range and adaptive support.

ebike-mtb.com

 

[Akelu]

That's cool.
I hope the option is there to install firmware with both EMTB mode and Dynamic Tour+ mode alternatives available at the same time.

 

[Tubby G]

Dynamic support and more range for everyone – Bosch present the new Tour+ mode

Bosch present the new dynamic Tour+ mode for more range and adaptive support.

ebike-mtb.com

Sounds good but not sure I’d want to lose Tour mode as that’s my default riding mode. I’ll wait for the feedback before updating

 

[Akelu]

Sounds good but not sure I’d want to lose Tour mode as that’s my default riding mode. I’ll wait for the feedback before updating

My guess is they will follow suite like EMTB mode and have it available as an optional firmware. So if the update includes any other changes along side it you could probably upgrade to that firmware but with keeping the old tour mode.

 

[Mteam]

hmmm, interesting. Will wait and see what people think of it before upgrading.

 

[The Hodge]

Soooo..who is going to crack first and actually go for it ?
?

 

[Miket775]

Timed that well - bike is in the shop Thursday for the last update so I'll see if they get this one instead!!

 

[The Hodge]

Timed that well - bike is in the shop Thursday for the last update so I'll see if they get this one instead!!

Well youve just talked yourself into a review ..?

 

[Akelu]

Found some more info on this,
Google translate this page

Hasta la vista Nyon - Bienvenido Tour+ - E-Bike Blog

El primer Display de Bosch dejará de fabricarse. A cambio, ciclistas con un Bosch Performance Line CX recibirán una alegría | Blog EBIKE24.es

www.ebike24.es

 

[Iggy_BBR]

I had the update done, the only mode that gets replaced is Tour, all of the other modes stay the same. In my case, I have a Trek Rail, which had "eMTB Lite" replaced by "Tour+". I still have eMTB mode, which I rarely used, since I used the eMTB Lite mode more. With this new mode, so far, pedals pretty smooth on tarmac, I had yet to see how it does on any trails.

 

[Doomanic]

Interesting. I had assumed it was EMTB-Lite for the masses. Is it actually different then?

 

[Akelu]

Would like to know if the new firmware has any other changes other then the new mode. The bosch software does show the changelog when the update is done.

Damn there must be so many choices of firmware presented in the bosch upgrade software..

Many combinations
75 or 85nm
short crank or long crank
emtb or sport
tour+ or tour

 

[mak]

I don't fancy it, I use tour for long boring big climbs mainly on road or short off road steep climbs, I don't need any more power than 140-150% for these, then i just flick back to eco when it levels out enough. If i need full fat i use EMTB or Turbo.
This new update will get rid of that sustained 140-150% sweet spot when needed.

 

[Beekeeper]

I’ve been on the Bosch website and apparently the new Tour + mode is only available for the newer motors e.g. Gen 4.

Here is what it says....

The Tour+ riding mode is available for eBikes with Drive Unit Performance Line CX with derailleur system (from model year 2020) and eMTB mode from summer 2021.

 

[Paul Mac]

I had the update done, the only mode that gets replaced is Tour, all of the other modes stay the same. In my case, I have a Trek Rail, which had "eMTB Lite" replaced by "Tour+". I still have eMTB mode, which I rarely used, since I used the eMTB Lite mode more. With this new mode, so far, pedals pretty smooth on tarmac, I had yet to see how it does on any trails.

I'd like to know how this differs from the Trek emtb lite mode?

 

[Doug Stampfer]

I'd like to know how this differs from the Trek emtb lite mode?

From the little information I read in that article it sounds like that's just what it is. TBH I don't really know if emtb-lite actually works on my bike as without the turbo kick feeling you get in emtb it feels relatively the same while riding. Then again maybe that's the idea of it.

 

[Iggy_BBR]

I'd like to know how this differs from the Trek emtb lite mode?

eMTB Lite: 140% - 240%
Tour+: 60% - 340%

From what I noticed in Tour+ mode, the power is there, it's just lighter in the feel (riding in NYC street traffic). I haven't had a chance to ride any hilly trails to see how much it differs. Check Bosch's graph in the link below.

Tour+

Read News about Tour+ for Bosch eBike Systems.

www.bosch-ebike.com

New Bosch MAGIC TOUR mode – a progressive mode with increased range and improved responsiveness, for Moustache only?

Moustache are updating their Bosch e-bikes with the progressive MAGIC TOUR mode. Can this latest software increase the range of your battery?

ebike-mtb.com

 

[Dashfield]

I just updated my Kiox software through the app and the new Tour+ mode hasn’t appeared. Mine is a gen 4 motor, only bought a month ago.

Not a problem but I just thought I’d mention that it doesn’t seem to appear automatically with the latest software update.

 

[Hamina]

I just updated my Kiox software through the app and the new Tour+ mode hasn’t appeared. Mine is a gen 4 motor, only bought a month ago.

Not a problem but I just thought I’d mention that it doesn’t seem to appear automatically with the latest software update.

You have to update the DU (Drive Unit) firmware to the motor.

 

[The Hodge]

Quick question ..Ive the latest Gen 4 motor with 85nm torque so as yet have not had to update anything ..
If I go ahead with this and dont like the tour+ mode can I revert back ..?
I realise this might sound daft to those with more tech savvy than myself ..??

 

[Dashfield]

You have to update the DU (Drive Unit) firmware to the motor.

Thanks for clarifying. Is that something that has to be done at LBS or can it be done through the Bosch app?

 

[Hamina]

Thanks for clarifying. Is that something that has to be done at LBS or can it be done through the Bosch app?

Yes. The LBS will use the Bosch E-bike Diagnostic Tool tool to update firmware or change it's setup.

To be able to update the firmware through an eBike Connect application would be actually bigger news than Tour+. Hopefully the almighty Germanic conglomerate will present this nice feature in the next motor so my bike will be living the same tiktok-age time that everyone else.

 

[The Hodge]

I don't fancy it, I use tour for long boring big climbs mainly on road or short off road steep climbs, I don't need any more power than 140-150% for these, then i just flick back to eco when it levels out enough. If i need full fat i use EMTB or Turbo.
This new update will get rid of that sustained 140-150% sweet spot when needed.

100% this ...
I use Tour mode for most of my riding and I'm more than happy to take a second or two out of my day to manually change modes if needed

 

[Beekeeper]

I’m too sentimental to lose my tour mode and end its life forever. I’d probably find myself playing “We’ll meet again” by Vera Lynn every time I went for a ride ?


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[Miket775]

So had my update - the store had no idea what this new update was (the comment I got was "if there's a new update on the server then thats the one you'll get") but thankfully it was available.

First impressions (bearing in mind that I'm going from the original 75nm setup): Tour+ feels like its designed to keep the power in the lowest setting as much as it can and once you start to push then it puts the motor in the level of what Tour would have been and I only felt it go higher if I was really pushing hard whereas EMTB feels more willing to go to higher modes more freely. On top of all the updates (85nm etc) it did feel more instant than before. I'll get some good riding in at the weekend so properly see what this does to my riding.

 

[valium97]

I just updated my Kiox software through the app and the new Tour+ mode hasn’t appeared. Mine is a gen 4 motor, only bought a month ago.

Not a problem but I just thought I’d mention that it doesn’t seem to appear automatically with the latest software update.

Tour+ replaces the Tour mode but only shows as Tour on the screen. That will most likely not change until next year.

 

[valium97]

Quick question ..Ive the latest Gen 4 motor with 85nm torque so as yet have not had to update anything ..
If I go ahead with this and dont like the tour+ mode can I revert back ..?
I realise this might sound daft to those with more tech savvy than myself ..??

Yes you can.

 

[The Hodge]

Yes you can.

Cheers ..answered on the other thread a while back ..and things have moved on ..
but thanks for the reply..??

 

[Mikerb]

I would think this new mode would appeal mostly to those that ride flat/easy going terrain for a good part of their time on the bike....it is after a "touring" mode. For trail riding I see it as being less usefull than the standard tour or EMTB modes.

 

[RustyIron]

Is this a solution for a problem that doesn't exist? Don't Bosch systems have a handlebar-mounted switch that allows the rider to choose the amount of assistance?

I'm envisioning rock gardens that require a mix of rock hopping using momentum, and hard pedaling to lift the wheel over obstacles. The last thing I want is a variable torque algorithm giving unexpected assist.