Bikedriver19
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I'll let you know, when I beat the hell out of this bike, and it shits the bed. Hasn't happened yet, but I admit, its new still.
Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...
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They are very likely to have highest battery consumption/gram also, not very cool.
Bikedriver19
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Then You must know the efficiency, that both systems operate?. Curious, if you know?, let us know. My buddies on bosch and shimano, pretty much get the same range, and/or ..most of the time, I beat them.
I haven't seen the law of conservation of energy, broken.
Man, the efficiency, is all that matters.
Power is power.
Doesn't matter who has the most watts/gram, that aside, unless the efficiency is superior.
From what I can tell so far, DJI is running at high efficiency and conservatively . "Boost" mode would kill it, in about 10 seconds, if it wasn't.
I haven't seen the law of conservation of energy, broken.
Man, the efficiency, is all that matters.
Power is power.
Doesn't matter who has the most watts/gram, that aside, unless the efficiency is superior.
From what I can tell so far, DJI is running at high efficiency and conservatively . "Boost" mode would kill it, in about 10 seconds, if it wasn't.
Interesting comment.Considering that especially after the DJI motor release(and even before) batteries are clearly they heaviest part of an e-bike(more than 1kg heavier than the motor at 800wh currently), innovation in that department is very important in getting the total weight lower while still having very high performance. I understand that some newer gen batteries are slowly becoming commercially available, but not sure when we can see them in ebikes(or even cars).So do you mean that besides there initial battery the bike will be released with(which. I guess should be pretty high tech), there will be a bigger one(probably with even newer tech) coming later? Also what about the smaller battery, there will be an option or you mean you don't know?
Man that must have been an amazing tour!! Thanks for the info and explanation, very interesting a 1.2kw battery with current 200wh/kg packages would be around 6kg... they must have something significantly more dense to go that far!!Anyway exciting times with battery innovation. Regarding the motor, 95 plus makes sense, and I can see a stronger sworks making its price more attractive(although I don't think I would go that far for a bike). I think they are going with Brose again (although an all-new mahle would be equally exciting to see), it makes more sense. But to be honest with he peak3 motor claiming 2.9kg and 95nm released 2 years ago, I am hoping they are going for a significantly upgraded 2nd version of this motor at least(if not a whole new version).To be fair I can understand having less power than DJI, high energy consumption, reliabilty and even being caught up by surprise can all play into it, but accepting to loose 400gr simply by having a heavier motor, especially in an sworks which is known for being the lightest in its category would be a huge miss which I don't think they would be willing to accept. Anyway I have to be patient, till we get to see what they actually release
Georgedukesa
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Hi everyone
Just a question and don’t sacrifice me if I sound stupid ,all the power in the world and an average bike ( geometry breaks suspension) really doesn’t help if you can’t transfer it to the ground , all the threads I’ve read about top ebikes for 2023 2024 and the majority of 2025 with all the new bikes been dropped end last year and coming out now , The Gen 3 Turbo Levo is still in the top 5 and yes that includes the Dronie Bonie , so stands to reason if Specialized has (and i truly believe they do ) updated the gen 4 to a new level no matter what the other manufacturers have this will stand the test of time for the next cycle (3years ) and we will all be in for really decent top 5ver or better
Just a question and don’t sacrifice me if I sound stupid ,all the power in the world and an average bike ( geometry breaks suspension) really doesn’t help if you can’t transfer it to the ground , all the threads I’ve read about top ebikes for 2023 2024 and the majority of 2025 with all the new bikes been dropped end last year and coming out now , The Gen 3 Turbo Levo is still in the top 5 and yes that includes the Dronie Bonie , so stands to reason if Specialized has (and i truly believe they do ) updated the gen 4 to a new level no matter what the other manufacturers have this will stand the test of time for the next cycle (3years ) and we will all be in for really decent top 5ver or better
Some kind of traction control system would be a great innovation I think, although you’d always need some slip, trying to ride up steep rocky or slippery chutes traction is sometimes an issue even with lower power motors.
Not heard that rumour though, even in this roller coaster of a thread!
I don’t think Brose has released the peak3 yet. It was unveiled ages ago but not released. Will only release later the year I believe.Man that must have been an amazing tour!! Thanks for the info and explanation, very interesting a 1.2kw battery with current 200wh/kg packages would be around 6kg... they must have something significantly more dense to go that far!!Anyway exciting times with battery innovation. Regarding the motor, 95 plus makes sense, and I can see a stronger sworks making its price more attractive(although I don't think I would go that far for a bike). I think they are going with Brose again (although an all-new mahle would be equally exciting to see), it makes more sense. But to be honest with he peak3 motor claiming 2.9kg and 95nm released 2 years ago, I am hoping they are going for a significantly upgraded 2nd version of this motor at least(if not a whole new version).To be fair I can understand having less power than DJI, high energy consumption, reliabilty and even being caught up by surprise can all play into it, but accepting to loose 400gr simply by having a heavier motor, especially in an sworks which is known for being the lightest in its category would be a huge miss which I don't think they would be willing to accept. Anyway I have to be patient, till we get to see what they actually release
Georgedukesa
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Also saw that but Spesh probably took the Brose changed housing to suite the stumpy framework also for heat and noise reduction fiddled with the software to get the gains they want and booof Gen4 moto ready for action
Georgedukesa
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This is probably a impossible feet but I’d really be impressed if they (engineers) were somehow able to make space for a swat down tube storage compartment, the only way I recon they could do this Is making the 800watt battery the size of the extender
but that’s probably asking way to much for now pretty sure in the not so distant future as batteries get larger in power and smaller in size it could be a win
never knew I would use it so much as I’ve done on my Epic 8 evo
and also think a beeeeg ask Is to keep the S-Works stickers or Specialized to a bare minimum again as seen on the 2025 epic 8 evo and stumpy 15 only sticker is on Top tube very down toned and on the seat tube at the back
but that’s probably asking way to much for now pretty sure in the not so distant future as batteries get larger in power and smaller in size it could be a win
never knew I would use it so much as I’ve done on my Epic 8 evo
and also think a beeeeg ask Is to keep the S-Works stickers or Specialized to a bare minimum again as seen on the 2025 epic 8 evo and stumpy 15 only sticker is on Top tube very down toned and on the seat tube at the back
sluette
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Same here... they certainly put some kind of steam engines in the G4 frame a few weeks ago to keep the press camp/release going in Madeira....
Guys, some really live behind the moon here...
So much this! i got a s works stumpy and i hate the S-WORKS graphic down side. Much prefer the top tube subtle ones
Think I'll wait for at least 1.6kWh battery......
“This baby can do at least 30 miles of rugged terrain,” he told his buddies, who were already questioning his life choices.
By mile five, he felt like a god.
By mile ten, he was unstoppable.
By mile twelve, the battery was at 14%.
Huh.
He squinted at the display, which now read: “Hope you trained for this.”
At mile fourteen, Eco mode gave up.
At mile fifteen, Dave was left with nothing but a 48lb deadweight of shame between his legs and a six-mile uphill slog back to civilization.
The hikers he had mocked earlier passed him, offering pitying glances and granola bars. Somewhere in the distance, a crow cawed—probably laughing.
As he collapsed next to his car, he stared at his Amflow and whispered the only words that made sense:
“You left me for dead.”
"Stranded: The 800Wh Betrayal"
Dave had one goal: conquer the trails. With his brand-new Amflow and a beefy 800Wh battery, he was ready to leave his mortal legs behind and embrace pure, electrified dominance over nature.“This baby can do at least 30 miles of rugged terrain,” he told his buddies, who were already questioning his life choices.
The Ascent of Overconfidence
The ride started beautifully. Turbo mode engaged. Rocks? Irrelevant. Steep inclines? Child’s play. He blasted past struggling hikers, throwing out a casual “should’ve brought an eBike, losers” as he zoomed by.By mile five, he felt like a god.
By mile ten, he was unstoppable.
By mile twelve, the battery was at 14%.
Huh.
He squinted at the display, which now read: “Hope you trained for this.”
The Descent into Suffering
At mile thirteen, Turbo mode died.At mile fourteen, Eco mode gave up.
At mile fifteen, Dave was left with nothing but a 48lb deadweight of shame between his legs and a six-mile uphill slog back to civilization.
The hikers he had mocked earlier passed him, offering pitying glances and granola bars. Somewhere in the distance, a crow cawed—probably laughing.
The Aftermath
By the time he made it back to the trailhead, his soul had left his body. His legs were ruined, his pride was shattered, and the only thing more dead than his battery was his spirit.As he collapsed next to his car, he stared at his Amflow and whispered the only words that made sense:
“You left me for dead.”
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westcoastmtbr
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Wondering how much this Levo 4 delay has cost Specialized? This whole thing (albeit maybe Amflow threw a monkey wrench into this) has been nothing short of a disaster for sales. How many have chosen another brand and maybe loving the new Bosch motor and have converted and loyal to a new brand... I actually love my gen 3 sworks with the Cascade link, so I'm perfectly happy, but Geez, this has not been managed well at all!
You can throw in the Demo & Enduro in that analysis too, products are so old that people are forced to move away from Specialized even if they want to be loyal.
Seems like there's no hurry to update their bikes right now even if they're losing sales.
Unless we have the sales data, we don’t know, but I’m guessing Specialized do.
They still have the Gen3 Levo and SL2 out there, they’re still selling presumably otherwise there’d be fire sales aplenty but I’ve only seen reductions on the S-Works models and S or XL versions of some other models, here in the U.K. anyway.
The discounts on offer seem no better than many other e-bike brands too.
Don’t forget, they also have a huge non e-bike sales side, along with accessories etc, we sometimes forget that there’s more to biking than EMTB outside of this particular internet bubble/echo-chamber etc.
I don’t think we need to feel sorry for them, put it that way!
This! Sometimes I feel like people in this forum think they have better sales data than Specialized itself.
Polar
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Can't find any better offer than 40% discount on S-Works can you?
A few on here, just for starters?
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I don’t think the S-Works is typical of Specialized discounts, given the RRPs, but maybe/hopefully they’ll do something when the Gen 4 finally drops.
Polar
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I was more thinking about the top level bikes not medium and low even though Specialized has big discounts on them as well but all the discounts are different from country to country and in length.A few on here, just for starters?
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I don’t think the S-Works is typical of Specialized discounts, given the RRPs, but maybe/hopefully they’ll do something when the Gen 4 finally drops.
pinoymamba
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Late summer/fall for the Gen 4. Source trust me bro.
sluette
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Double l
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I think it's cause most people thought it was coming last sept
Polar
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I reckon this old saying is in place at this thread.
"He who waits for something good does not wait in vain"
"He who waits for something good does not wait in vain"
robikinkela
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This discussion is increasingly looking like a coitus interruptus. 
MTB-WALES
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I was hovering on the report this comment button….
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