Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2024 Rumours... And assorted random chat ....

[sluette]

It is metric 210x55mm, put in what you like…

 

[DylanJM]

Like the 2025 Comp Carbon and Expert Carbon models on the US Website...

Ah I missed those. Surely it's safe to say no gen 4 this year then.

 

[sethimus]

spring 25

 

[mustclime]

It is metric 210x55mm, put in what you like…

Crap size, trail/all mountain bikes should be using 230x whatever. Longer shocks with 150-160mm travel mean lower spring rates and more oil for damping. There is a reason why the long shock kit from cascade works so well.

 

[sluette]

Crap size, trail/all mountain bikes should be using 230x whatever. Longer shocks with 150-160mm travel mean lower spring rates and more oil for damping. There is a reason why the long shock kit from cascade works so well.

The Stumpjumper15 offers 145mm of travel. Which brand uses a longer shock to achieve the same travel?
A 210x55mm shock is standard.

 

[OZI]

Ah I missed those. Surely it's safe to say no gen 4 this year then.

If the Gen 4 is not presented on September 30th (Specialized Event), then it will be safe to say no gen 4 this year.
Eleven days and counting

 

[Miket775]

I expect when they do launch that Gen4 will be S-Works and Pro only with maybe the expert later (about 6 months after launch) - I expect that the alloy bikes will all stay Gen3 for quite a while before we see any Gen4's (mayby late '25 or even '26)

 

[Superdad]

I expect when they do launch that Gen4 will be S-Works and Pro only with maybe the expert later (about 6 months after launch) - I expect that the alloy bikes will all stay Gen3 for quite a while before we see any Gen4's (mayby late '25 or even '26)

That does not make too much sense to me because:
The biggest sellers in the full power Levo line--simply because they are just about affordable for mere mortals--are the Base and Comp, and about equal between carbon and alloy frames. When a manufacturer invests in a new design and new tooling--and undoubtedly big buys on the motor/battery systems for it--they need to recoup those costs as quickly as possible. And that means volume sales.

That said, I can see them offering/shipping first the high-end models as a way to drive sales of those--to the pros or obsessed enthusiasts who must have the latest and greatest right away. But really just a 3-4 months at most before rolling out the full rest of the models.

Yet, as I said months ago after taking with my big Spesh LBS, and confirmed since by others here, late-Q1 2025 is likely the soonest any shop will begin to trickle in stock of any Gen4.
But of course Specialized is under immense pressure to announce and show Gen4--and that could happen next week.

Every business faces the same dilemma when the operate in a highly competitive market:
a) Announce/preview the new model early with the result being an unknown degree of slowing/killing sales of the prior generation still in stock and at dealers;
b) Announce/preview the new model early so as to create enough FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) in the minds of buyers who were considering other brands, such that they hold off buying anything until the new generation ships.

[P.S. I am not in the bike business, but I do own and have run multiple other product production businesses in competitive markets.]

 

[electricbogaloo]

There could be a few reasons for the delay. Certainly too much stock and maybe also the amflow bike. Maybe they redesigned some stuff to make it more competitive weight wise.

 

[sluette]

There could be a few reasons for the delay. Certainly too much stock and maybe also the amflow bike. Maybe they redesigned some stuff to make it more competitive weight wise.

While it's all just a look into the crystal ball, this is certainly not the reason. The German salespeople say the launch was planned for fall 2024, so the bikes must already be in production. Making changes now is therefore almost impossible...

 

[Miket775]

That does not make too much sense to me because:
The biggest sellers in the full power Levo line--simply because they are just about affordable for mere mortals--are the Base and Comp, and about equal between carbon and alloy frames. When a manufacturer invests in a new design and new tooling--and undoubtedly big buys on the motor/battery systems for it--they need to recoup those costs as quickly as possible. And that means volume sales.

That said, I can see them offering/shipping first the high-end models as a way to drive sales of those--to the pros or obsessed enthusiasts who must have the latest and greatest right away. But really just a 3-4 months at most before rolling out the full rest of the models.

Yet, as I said months ago after taking with my big Spesh LBS, and confirmed since by others here, late-Q1 2025 is likely the soonest any shop will begin to trickle in stock of any Gen4.
But of course Specialized is under immense pressure to announce and show Gen4--and that could happen next week.

Every business faces the same dilemma when the operate in a highly competitive market:
a) Announce/preview the new model early with the result being an unknown degree of slowing/killing sales of the prior generation still in stock and at dealers;
b) Announce/preview the new model early so as to create enough FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) in the minds of buyers who were considering other brands, such that they hold off buying anything until the new generation ships.

[P.S. I am not in the bike business, but I do own and have run multiple other product production businesses in competitive markets.]

I'm just speculating as this is how Specialized seem do to it as they did that last gen and with the current Stumpy where they released the top spec ones first and have only just announced the alloy range.

Trek also do this as the alloy rails are at least one generation older than the carbon bikes.

Seems the bike industry has the business sense of exclusivity first as I agree that you'd want to make your new bikes available to a wide range of riders and not just dentists!

 

[Superdad]

...and not just dentists!

You're lucky I'm not a dentist--or I might have taken offense at that, or taken it as a compliment!

 

[Oakhills]

I heard the gen 4 is ready to go, and has been for a while, The Big S just has too many Gen 3 ‘s at the moment. A couple months ago, it was thought that October would be the announcement if the Gen 3 supply dwindles.

 

[AussieRuss]

As stated above. I will be very interested if the S & Pro are released a few months earlier than the alloy models like the Gen3.

Whatever happens Specialized need to pull a rabbit out of the hat with something different (48v etc) or no longer be seen as the innovator which they are well known for.

Wonder if the Genie shock will carry over to the Levo as well.

 

[MNCraig]

Hello! Newbie here. Just bought a 2025 Turbo Levo Alloy Comp. Ordered a 2024 on closeout, but the bike showed up to my LBS and had electrical failures. They swapped out parts with stock they had an it still didn't work. The shop ordered me a new one, but all the 2024s in my size were gone. Got a 2025 for 2024 closeout price. Kudos to Specialized and my LBS. Not sure about the Gen 4 release yet, but yes, the 2025 has upgraded Maven brakes, different hubs (maybe a specialized hub?) and the shop guys said was upgraded drivetrain. (Eagle X01?) as well as UL certification of the charger. At age 52 I'm new to the e-mtb game but the bike has really been fun and changed my outlook on the grueling climbs.

 

[RichMorr]

Hello! Newbie here. Just bought a 2025 Turbo Levo Alloy Comp. Ordered a 2024 on closeout, but the bike showed up to my LBS and had electrical failures. They swapped out parts with stock they had an it still didn't work. The shop ordered me a new one, but all the 2024s in my size were gone. Got a 2025 for 2024 closeout price. Kudos to Specialized and my LBS. Not sure about the Gen 4 release yet, but yes, the 2025 has upgraded Maven brakes, different hubs (maybe a specialized hub?) and the shop guys said was upgraded drivetrain. (Eagle X01?) as well as UL certification of the charger. At age 52 I'm new to the e-mtb game but the bike has really been fun and changed my outlook on the grueling climbs.

What rear shock do you have? Saw a 2025 Levo comp alloy and it had the float X factory, this and what is in yours is not to spec. I get the feeling specialized is throwing any bits they can just to move stock.

 

[sethimus]

I'm just speculating as this is how Specialized seem do to it as they did that last gen and with the current Stumpy where they released the top spec ones first and have only just announced the alloy range.

Trek also do this as the alloy rails are at least one generation older than the carbon bikes.

Seems the bike industry has the business sense of exclusivity first as I agree that you'd want to make your new bikes available to a wide range of riders and not just dentists!

rail+ will be alloy and carbon from day one on

 

[MNCraig]

What rear shock do you have? Saw a 2025 Levo comp alloy and it had the float X factory, this and what is in yours is not to spec. I get the feeling specialized is throwing any bits they can just to move stock.

Yes, Float X factory is what it came with.

 

[MNCraig]

Not to derail the discussion, but has anyone done the low compression adjustment upgrade to their Float X? I searched the forums but did not come up with anything. Looks like a $25 kit.

 

[galaga187]

Not to derail the discussion, but has anyone done the low compression adjustment upgrade to their Float X? I searched the forums but did not come up with anything. Looks like a $25 kit.

From the AI Perplexity app Upgrading your Fox Float X shock to include a low-speed compression (LSC) adjustment is feasible and cost-effective. For about $25, you can purchase an upgrade kit that allows you to add this feature, making your shock comparable to the Performance Elite model[2][3]. The installation process is straightforward but requires some patience and care to ensure proper assembly[2]. Many users have reported satisfaction with the enhanced tunability this upgrade provides for trail riding[1][2].

Sources
[1] Easily upgrade Your Fox Float X Performance - YouTube [2] Fox Float X & DHX | How to Upgrade with Low Speed ... - YouTube [3] Fox Shock Float X & Dhx Lsc Eyelet Assembly 2022 Upgrade Fox Shock Float X & DHX LSC Eyelet Assembly 2022 Upgrade
[4] Add Low Speed Compression adjuster to Fox Float X Perfomance? https://www.mtbr.com/threads/add-low-speed-compression-adjuster-to-fox-float-x-perfomance.1218886/
[5] Fox Float X/DHX low speed compression adjuster upgrade Fox Float X/DHX low speed compression adjuster upgrade
[6] Fox Float X & DHX Low Speed Compression Adjuster Assembly Fox Float X & DHX Low Speed Compression Adjuster Assembly
[7] 2022 FLOAT X/DHX LSC Upgrade | Bike Tech Help Center - FOX 2022 FLOAT X/DHX LSC Upgrade | Bike Tech Help Center | FOX
[8] Fox Float X / DHX Low Speed Compression Adjuster Upgrade 808 ... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285443227184

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

Not to derail the discussion, but has anyone done the low compression adjustment upgrade to their Float X? I searched the forums but did not come up with anything. Looks like a $25 kit.

I did on both my Float_X to be honest I can't feel a huge difference...very subtle feel on the garage floor ... but on the trail I can't feel any difference between the extreme settings

 

[sluette]

Yes, works great. Did the upgrade twice. Problem was to order the kit in germany. It was simply not available. After some research I found a dealer in (think it was) Norway who send me two kits...

 

[Biano44]

I won't ever buy a bike with integrated GPS for fear it will be used to geo-restrict the bike. An Airtag, while it doesn't use GPS, is a "good enough" solution that's cheap and easy to maintain, and is also air-gapped from my bike's drive system.

A decent thief would scan for an AirTag, remove and destroy. Take it from me as it happened last Thursday to a friend

 

[Chicane]

A decent thief would scan for an AirTag, remove and destroy. Take it from me as it happened last Thursday to a friend

What if the battery is removed from the air tag? Sorry, meant to say speaker. With vs the speaker removed, it won’t already the criminal.

 

[Superdad]

What if the battery is removed from the air tag?

Huh? Without a battery an AirTag does not function!

 

[Chicane]

Huh? Without a battery an AirTag does not function!

Sorry, meant speaker.

 

[Mikerb]

Whether a gps system device or air tag being able to see where a stolen bike is located is really only any help if the bike has been dumped. If the thief still has it you are unlikely to get any help from the police to recover it and good luck if you fancy going it alone! Adequate security and insurance are the only real safeguards.

 

[Stephan1]

Is this the

"Levo Gen 4 2024 Rumours"​

forum?

 

[oettam20]

mtb-news.de has announced 4 product launches in the eBike sector for October 30th between 2:59 PM and 3:30 PM. Will be exciting 31minutes...

These are the bikes with the new Bosch motor: I suppose Orbea Wild, Trek Rail, Canyon Strive on and Cannondale Moterra.

 

[Seagrave7]

These are the bikes with the new Bosch motor: I suppose Orbea Wild, Trek Rail, Canyon Strive on and Cannondale Moterra.

And the new Santa Cruz Vala, if that’s the correct name of the new Santa Cruz E-bike.